Carjackers strike in Birmingham

[MrC986]

There's been an increase in violent car crime recently in Bham - the word is that' it's primarily one gang who're targeting top-end cars. There's stories of one guy having his Porsche stolen off his drive, getting it replaced by the insurers to find that one went too. I'm pleased I don't live in a major city.

[stevesingo]

MKnight702 said:

Yes, coz making them angry will help, or do you expect them to run after the keys and play fetch like a trained dog?

I suspect that you would end up looking for your teeth whilst they drive off in the car with the keys they make you fetch.

Personally, I would hand them the keys, that's why I have comprehensive insurance. I'd rather have my health than keep my car and lose my teeth or worse.

The strategy of throwing the keys is simple. The scum are prepared to use the threat of violence or violence to get what they want. If you don't have the means of giving them what they want, the cannot achieve their aim and the use of violence is not going to help. They are unlikely to force you to find the keys as that would be slower than finding them themselves. This splits resources, from suppressing you and finding the keys. Do they have the time and resources to do both? They are forced to make a decision, what is more important getting the prize or getting caught.

In most cases the scum don't want to kill/injure anyone, they want an easy job.

There is a principal here where if society makes it easy for scum to profit, they will exponentially thrive on the apathy of people who just shrug their shoulders and say "oh well, it doesn't matter because I'm insured".

At what point do people say, stop. At what point do people say stop, I will fight for what you are wanting to take from me?

[andymc]

is there not a facility for the tracker/alarm people to cut the cars engine?

[V8RX7]

andymc said:

is there not a facility for the tracker/alarm people to cut the cars engine?

I believe the nanny state has decreed that Tracker etc can only track and aren't allowed to stop the car - which IMO is ridiculous it's far more likely to be in a crash being driven by thieves than being disabled and yes I have had cars which cut out, meaning no power steering / brakes - it wasn't a problem.

The real answer is the old anti hijack immobilizers like the Blackjax.

I suspect the real reason that they aren't fitted as standard is because the car manufacturers sell far more cars to replace the stolen ones, which also helps the economy - of course we all pay through our increased premiums

[Wills2]

BigLion said:

I'd throw the keys into my back garden - let them fight through my k9 trained dogs to get the keys .

Which is fine unless you have steps.

[Cerberaherts]

andymc said:

is there not a facility for the tracker/alarm people to cut the cars engine?

Yes, the latest trackers can have the engine ECU closed down. Years ago, some aftermarket manufacturers made devices to stop the vehicle being driven, activated remotely. Toad alarms made a remote activated smoke machine that filled the inside of the car up!

[Yipper]

Bikejacking, carkey-home-invasion, and carjacking are surging in the Midlands and up North. Surprised the Daily Mail are not milking it more. Model-specific forums are awash with tales of stolen Audis, Fords and alike.

[Wills2]

Not about the numbers for 2016 but 2015 was the lowest in terms of vehicle theft for 48 years according to the daily telegraph.

Perhaps it's either on the rise in 2016 or concentrated in hot spots.

[sonnenschein3000]

I had a bad experience of this a few months ago with regards to the BMW I used to have.

Basically, I had come in at about 9:30pm and parked on my drive, and a group of hooded up young men (maybe late teens, early 20s... could only tell by their body language) pulled up. I immediately locked my doors and waited for a few seconds... They tried the door handle, I fired up the engine, engaged reverse, started revving engine - they looked a bit confused - then I started beeping my horn, and they ran back to their car and buggered off. Followed them down the road (doing the speed limit, of course ) which spooked them out even more somewhat and then they tried to cut across the central reservation of a busy dual carriageway to escape me - but I got what I wanted- their numberplate!

Reported it to the police aaaaaaaand it turns out they were using cloned numberplates.

Waste of effort.

(I live 10min away from B'ham airport)

Edited by sonnenschein3000 on Monday 26th December 14:05

[Trabi601]

BigLion said:

I'd throw the keys into my back garden - let them fight through my k9 trained dogs to get the keys .

Dog Walting. That's a new one.

[QuickQuack]

JimmyConwayNW said:

Juanco20 said:

The problem here is he didn't dominate his drive. He should have had strategically placed items to easily fend off the attackers

I would have a go if there was one or two.

How are you going to fight off 3-4?

Evolved said:

Juanco20 said:

The problem here is he didn't dominate his drive. He should have had strategically placed items to easily fend off the attackers

Ok Chuck

Where's that whoosh parrot when you need it? I'm posting from my phone so not easy. This is obviously in reference to a hilarious thread from a few weeks ago!

[sonnenschein3000]

Wills2 said:

Not about the numbers for 2016 but 2015 was the lowest in terms of vehicle theft for 48 years according to the daily telegraph.

Perhaps it's either on the rise in 2016 or concentrated in hot spots.

Concentrated hotspots of lower socio-economic groups I'm guessing.

[Sump]

This is why I like being away from the main road. As I make my way towards my home it makes it more and more obvious if I am being followed.

[anonymous-user]

Trabi601 said:

BigLion said:

I'd throw the keys into my back garden - let them fight through my k9 trained dogs to get the keys .

Dog Walting. That's a new one.

[blearyeyedboy]

V8RX7 said:

andymc said:

is there not a facility for the tracker/alarm people to cut the cars engine?

I believe the nanny state has decreed that Tracker etc can only track and aren't allowed to stop the car - which IMO is ridiculous it's far more likely to be in a crash being driven by thieves than being disabled and yes I have had cars which cut out, meaning no power steering / brakes - it wasn't a problem.

The real answer is the old anti hijack immobilizers like the Blackjax.

I suspect the real reason that they aren't fitted as standard is because the car manufacturers sell far more cars to replace the stolen ones, which also helps the economy - of course we all pay through our increased premiums

Have you seen the state of recovered cars? Unless it were something rare/hard to replace, I'd rather have a cheque than the car back, thanks.

I appreciate not everyone thinks like that but it's odds-on that your car will always be a bit "soiled goods" when you get it back.

[Yipper]

sonnenschein3000 said:

Wills2 said:

Not about the numbers for 2016 but 2015 was the lowest in terms of vehicle theft for 48 years according to the daily telegraph.

Perhaps it's either on the rise in 2016 or concentrated in hot spots.

Concentrated hotspots of lower socio-economic groups I'm guessing.

Have not seen any figures for 2016 yet, but reading several forums suggests Coventry, Birmingham, Manchester, Bradford and Edinburgh are among the main, current theft-by-force and theft-by-burglary hotspots.

[Leemcd]

Not a surprise really! It's a complete st hole, parts of it are genuinely no go areas...

[BigLion]

Yipper said:

sonnenschein3000 said:

Wills2 said:

Not about the numbers for 2016 but 2015 was the lowest in terms of vehicle theft for 48 years according to the daily telegraph.

Perhaps it's either on the rise in 2016 or concentrated in hot spots.

Concentrated hotspots of lower socio-economic groups I'm guessing.

Have not seen any figures for 2016 yet, but reading several forums suggests Coventry, Birmingham, Manchester, Bradford and Edinburgh are among the main, current theft-by-force and theft-by-burglary hotspots.

I'm not sure about that, I'd expect to see Glasgow, Newcastle, Liverpool, Nottingham higher tanking than coventry etc.

Typically it should be proportional to population and then down to socio-economic groupings.

[MuscleSaloon]

Leemcd said:

Not a surprise really! It's a complete st hole, parts of it are genuinely no go areas...

This! ^^^^

The City where I live (won't name and shame!) has a couple of areas that get touted around as being a bit no go at times yet I've been through them on foot all hours of day and night without any fear.

There's places I've had to go on the outskirts of Brum that just give me an uneasy feeling and I've been glad to leave!

[irish boy]

We have joy riding car stealing thugs over here too but it's a lot less common because they fear another team of thugs more than they do the police.....



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