I love my car, but worth dying for.....?

[S93]

Aren't a lot of these S3s and Golf Rs nicked for high profile crime as getaway vehicles? Seats 4 comfortably and relatively discrete amongst all the 1.6/2.0 TDI versions

[caymanbill]

Yup, its certainly a factor. Kind of glad mines a 3 door in some ways.

[Jonmx]

La Liga said:

Hopefully there's be a forensic link in the vehicle.

I'd expect it'll realistically be manslaughter rather than murder.

Sadly this is true. 'My client was in fear for his life when the angry man came after him and he just panicked, he deeply regrets his actions', will be the kind of bks the defence will push.
When this came on the radio earlier I told my wife I'd just give them the keys if somebody broke in, and told her to do the same. She didn't quite get it at first until I said you either give them to them or they'll smack a tyre iron around your face and then take the keys anyway. Utter vermin. I remember when I had my 123D coupe I took it to Birmingham, for a weekend and I had a group of lads tailing me in a car for a fair while until I hit the motorway and managed to get away from them. I haven't had a 'flash' car since.

[Digby]

Juanco20 said:

I don't think it is a natural reaction for everyone. In the same way that some people will happily get involved in a scrap while on a night out while others will keep well out of the way. We are all wired differently

I don't think my natural reaction would be to risk my life over a car

It depends on how your brain reacts at the time. It's unlikely to ever think of death as being an outcome.

You may not run down the stairs at 3.00am and confront them, but what if someone were about to drive off in your car with your child still strapped in the back?

Truth is, in many situations, most don't make a 'decision' either way. They react or do not react with little control over it.

[jmorgan]

Some people the car is the only means for getting to work and having a life. They know that they will have problems without a car. Some excrement decides to steal that, they know there is not going to be a real deterrent (because it has just been demonstrated how effective the existing deterrent is) and they know they will not get the full hassle and funds repaid. They will be out of pocket and greatly inconvenienced. Even more so if you can only afford 3rd party.


I would be absolutely fuming if some scum tried to take my stuff. Any stuff, I don't have faith in a decent sentence if caught, and getting exactly what was taken replaced to the penny and without hassle and any recompense for the hassle. Then the cheek that some scum has decided that removing stuff from people that have worked hard for that stuff, it just grates.

I would hope I am sensible if it were to happen to me. Who knows. These things play on your mind and my tip you the wrong way. Or right way if you walk away from it.

[Butter Face]

BBC news saying a man is being held on suspicion of murder this morning.

Terrible thing to happen, poor bloke probably thought they would run when faced down rather than running him over with his own car

[brianashley]

Butter Face said:

BBC news saying a man is being held on suspicion of murder this morning.

Terrible thing to happen, poor bloke probably thought they would run when faced down rather than running him over with his own car

When The "red mist" land around you .Its takes a lot of effort to control. Nothing of value property wise is ever worth dying for.

[JeS10]

It's a horrific state of affairs. There needs to be an acknowledgement by the manufacturers, but then I guess that doing so might be suicidal for them? You don't want to put the thought of the harsh realities of the motor being stolen, whilst still trying to sell it to someone. But there must be more that can be done? This is the first time that these thefts has been in the wider public eye, but that's only because of the tragic circumstances.

In terms of the punishment for individuals that steal stuff, a guy that broke into my house and six neighbouring houses was caught a year later and given 200 hours community service and a 1 year suspended sentence.

I wonder what the proportion of these crimes are professional, organised crimes (I.e shipping the cars out into Eastern Europe) and how many are low level gangs just wanting a joy ride with some added criminal activity along the way. The whole business is widely ignored though, in fact I recall hearing the statistic time and time again that vehicle related crime is falling.

[STe_rsv4]

JeS10 said:

It's a horrific state of affairs. There needs to be an acknowledgement by the manufacturers, but then I guess that doing so might be suicidal for them? You don't want to put the thought of the harsh realities of the motor being stolen, whilst still trying to sell it to someone. But there must be more that can be done? This is the first time that these thefts has been in the wider public eye, but that's only because of the tragic circumstances.

In terms of the punishment for individuals that steal stuff, a guy that broke into my house and six neighbouring houses was caught a year later and given 200 hours community service and a 1 year suspended sentence.

I wonder what the proportion of these crimes are professional, organised crimes (I.e shipping the cars out into Eastern Europe) and how many are low level gangs just wanting a joy ride with some added criminal activity along the way. The whole business is widely ignored though, in fact I recall hearing the statistic time and time again that vehicle related crime is falling.

How can a manufacturer prevent someone stealing the keys from someones house?
You can put as many security systems on the car as you like, rendered useless as soon as that happens unfortunately.

[TTmonkey]

Reports saying the victim was run over deliberately, more than once.

[ironv8]

'66 plate S3, will have been the guy's p &j. And just heard cops have arrested someone. Really hope it's the right guy and throw the book at him.
See loads of these cars round here being driven like they stole it. Insurance premiums must be horrendous on them.
I'd do exactly the same instinctively if I saw someone nicking my p & j.

[Gio G]

S93 said:

Aren't a lot of these S3s and Golf Rs nicked for high profile crime as getaway vehicles? Seats 4 comfortably and relatively discrete amongst all the 1.6/2.0 TDI versions

This...

After I was car-jacked two years ago for my Golf R in broad daylight, it seems subsequent thefts tend to be fast 5 door hatches, usually used for other crimes.I think people need to accept if you chose a discrete fast hatch, you are more likely to become target.. Golf R and S3 just keep making the headlines.

Really tragic set of events and condolences to the family. I decided to give them my keys, rather than suffer brain damage or even death. Just not worth it..


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[mabosh]

ironv8 said:

Insurance premiums must be horrendous on them.

Bizarrely, our premium for fully comp, protected NCD 2014 S3 is only just over £200. Our car is garaged though and I'd be pretty nervous about leaving it out on the driveway if not.

A tragic case and I really hope the utter scumbag(s) get a considerable prison sentence.

[Matt-il77s]

ironv8 said:

'66 plate S3, will have been the guy's p &j. And just heard cops have arrested someone. Really hope it's the right guy and throw the book at him.
See loads of these cars round here being driven like they stole it. Insurance premiums must be horrendous on them.
I'd do exactly the same instinctively if I saw someone nicking my p & j.

But looking at the picture it's just a standard blue S3 - the insurance could replace it with another of the exact same very easily and quickly. Why risk it?

[2Btoo]

ItsJustARide said:

I moved out to Vancouver, Canada a decade ago and in all that time I cannot remember anything even remotely like this happening out here. You see landscapers with all their tools in the pickup trucks parked outside unattended and rarely, according to a mate who is landscaper, does anything get pinched.

It's not all roses out here, there's a fair bit of gang violence and bike thefts downtown are pretty common. But there just isn't the wellspring of scrotes joyriding, ram raiding etc. and just generally fscking things up for everybody.

It's really troubling to see and very hard to figure out how this problem gets sorted.

This is the most telling post of the thread. Where did the UK go so wrong?

[Dave Hedgehog]

2Btoo said:

ItsJustARide said:

I moved out to Vancouver, Canada a decade ago and in all that time I cannot remember anything even remotely like this happening out here. You see landscapers with all their tools in the pickup trucks parked outside unattended and rarely, according to a mate who is landscaper, does anything get pinched.

It's not all roses out here, there's a fair bit of gang violence and bike thefts downtown are pretty common. But there just isn't the wellspring of scrotes joyriding, ram raiding etc. and just generally fscking things up for everybody.

It's really troubling to see and very hard to figure out how this problem gets sorted.

This is the most telling post of the thread. Where did the UK go so wrong?

third generation chavs, who have grown up knowing that no matter what they do at worst all they will get is a few extra hours com service added to their total

when the police / law is total ineffective against a group they will do what ever they want, hence thieves are happy to steal bikes infront of groups of people whilst being filmed.

or the latest craze of throwing acid in peoples faces

[johnxjsc1985]

2Btoo said:

This is the most telling post of the thread. Where did the UK go so wrong?

I don't lock my Doors my sheds have never been broken into in and in the 15 years we have lived here none of our neighbours has had a break in. I am not disputing the world is more violent and a particular element of society laugh at the Law and the enforcers of it but perspective is needed.

[funkyrobot]

Terrible news and I agree that the punishments for these things are far too lenient.

I don't know how I would react if woken at 3am and someone was after my car. I do know one thing though, my family is the most important thing in my life. As long as they were safe, I couldn't give a damn about someone taking my property. If someone is so set on taking something of mine, I'll gladly give it to them as long as they leave without coming near my family.

Would this chap still be alive if he hadn't have confronted them? Who knows. We do know one thing for definite though, he is dead now and his family have lost him forever. All because someone forcibly took his mass produced, material possession.

These things shouldn't happen in the first place and to any normal person, it's insane to think you would kill to nick a car. They do happen though and the problem won't go away any time soon.

A bloody Audi isn't worth being killed for.

[caymanbill]

This gang of reprobates where caught only last month:

http://news.met.police.uk/news/car-theft-gang-conv...

The ring leader was caught on CCTV in a Mcdonald's drive through in one of their nicked cars. Talk about low IQ.....


""Almost all of the houses that were burgled had uPVC front doors that had not been double locked, allowing the offenders to gain entry very quickly using simple tools."

“I would urge all householders to ensure that their front door is correctly locked at night - this means not only lifting the handle on a uPVC door, but also using the key to lock it. Unless it is locked with the key, the door remains vulnerable to the method employed by the criminals in this case."

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Edited by caymanbill on Monday 24th April 09:55

[SturdyHSV]

Dave Hedgehog said:

third generation chavs, who have grown up knowing that no matter what they do at worst all they will get is a few extra hours com service added to their total

when the police / law is total ineffective against a group they will do what ever they want, hence thieves are happy to steal bikes infront of groups of people whilst being filmed.

or the latest craze of throwing acid in peoples faces

What we need to do is convince them that there is some sort of all seeing all knowing presence that is always judging them, and that if they don't behave according to sensible rules, they will suffer an unimaginably horrible fate, perhaps one that lasts significantly longer than 100 years or so.

Maybe if we put it all in a book?