Notes from the Road - Land Rover Discovery
Discussion
amanu1 said:
But... It's a dirty old diesel and Sadiq Kahn wants to ban it. Is there any D3/4 which is clean enough? I suspect I can't adapt mine - anyway, it can't afford to lose any horses from the 2.7 V6
There was a 4.4 V8 offered for the first few years of D3 production. The D3 and D4 have also seen the Cologne 4.0 V6 and the JLR 5.0 V8 for export markets.
W124 said:
shirt said:
You definitely have the talent to write cat reviews for any magazine as your write up offers lots of opinion and little insight.
Lot of tosh there about the old model and that's coming from an owner.
I don't review cats. Could do though if that would be useful. Lot of tosh there about the old model and that's coming from an owner.
te you've already posted.Enjoyed the read, OP, thanks.
I had a D3, have a D4 and planned to buy a D5 until I went and sat in one. Sorry but biggest miss in JLR's current range - offset but not offset number plate looks terrible, no split tailgate, less useful boot shape (I carry bikes), middle seats too low, pricing getting silly etc etc. Will be looking elsewhere for a replacement.
I had a D3, have a D4 and planned to buy a D5 until I went and sat in one. Sorry but biggest miss in JLR's current range - offset but not offset number plate looks terrible, no split tailgate, less useful boot shape (I carry bikes), middle seats too low, pricing getting silly etc etc. Will be looking elsewhere for a replacement.
Dusty964 said:
W124 said:
shirt said:
You definitely have the talent to write cat reviews for any magazine as your write up offers lots of opinion and little insight.
Lot of tosh there about the old model and that's coming from an owner.
I don't review cats. Could do though if that would be useful. Lot of tosh there about the old model and that's coming from an owner.
te you've already posted.W124 said:
But I just call them as I drive them. The new Discovery is a dud. It offers all of the disadvantages of the old car with none of the touches of genius that set it apart.
W124 said:
That is true. Gadgets, infotainment, tech - it's just a distraction. It's more of a luxury to have none of it in some ways. I once had a short drive of a Phantom and the feeling of luxury was heavily bolstered by the simplicity of the controls.
Whenever I drive s car with a log of beeping and flashing tech (an XC90 say) I always turn as much if it off as I can. It's just showroom stuff and, whist specialist things like Tow Assist is useful to the small number of people who tow, to the vast majority who buy the cars to drive their kids about, it's useless. Of much more general use would be making the car better, instead of worse than the last model.
Well make your mind up!Whenever I drive s car with a log of beeping and flashing tech (an XC90 say) I always turn as much if it off as I can. It's just showroom stuff and, whist specialist things like Tow Assist is useful to the small number of people who tow, to the vast majority who buy the cars to drive their kids about, it's useless. Of much more general use would be making the car better, instead of worse than the last model.
You slag it off for not having the "touches of genius" then say that they are only a distraction.
Jazzy Jag said:
W124 said:
But I just call them as I drive them. The new Discovery is a dud. It offers all of the disadvantages of the old car with none of the touches of genius that set it apart.
W124 said:
That is true. Gadgets, infotainment, tech - it's just a distraction. It's more of a luxury to have none of it in some ways. I once had a short drive of a Phantom and the feeling of luxury was heavily bolstered by the simplicity of the controls.
Whenever I drive s car with a log of beeping and flashing tech (an XC90 say) I always turn as much if it off as I can. It's just showroom stuff and, whist specialist things like Tow Assist is useful to the small number of people who tow, to the vast majority who buy the cars to drive their kids about, it's useless. Of much more general use would be making the car better, instead of worse than the last model.
Well make your mind up!Whenever I drive s car with a log of beeping and flashing tech (an XC90 say) I always turn as much if it off as I can. It's just showroom stuff and, whist specialist things like Tow Assist is useful to the small number of people who tow, to the vast majority who buy the cars to drive their kids about, it's useless. Of much more general use would be making the car better, instead of worse than the last model.
You slag it off for not having the "touches of genius" then say that they are only a distraction.
Jazzy Jag said:
W124 said:
But I just call them as I drive them. The new Discovery is a dud. It offers all of the disadvantages of the old car with none of the touches of genius that set it apart.
W124 said:
That is true. Gadgets, infotainment, tech - it's just a distraction. It's more of a luxury to have none of it in some ways. I once had a short drive of a Phantom and the feeling of luxury was heavily bolstered by the simplicity of the controls.
Whenever I drive s car with a log of beeping and flashing tech (an XC90 say) I always turn as much if it off as I can. It's just showroom stuff and, whist specialist things like Tow Assist is useful to the small number of people who tow, to the vast majority who buy the cars to drive their kids about, it's useless. Of much more general use would be making the car better, instead of worse than the last model.
Well make your mind up!Whenever I drive s car with a log of beeping and flashing tech (an XC90 say) I always turn as much if it off as I can. It's just showroom stuff and, whist specialist things like Tow Assist is useful to the small number of people who tow, to the vast majority who buy the cars to drive their kids about, it's useless. Of much more general use would be making the car better, instead of worse than the last model.
You slag it off for not having the "touches of genius" then say that they are only a distraction.
Always struggle with the style of comment on PH, amazingly thin skinned people seem to populate it who are easily offended. Can we chat about cars please?
The D4 has it's issues but is still great. JLR have gone after a different market with the replacement so many of us will change brands when we change our cars.
The D4 has it's issues but is still great. JLR have gone after a different market with the replacement so many of us will change brands when we change our cars.
They've messed up the formula.
It used to be that range rovers (e.g. first gen sport) was made off land rovers (D3). Now land rovers seem to be made off range rovers!
Back in 2003 when the very good D3 came out, Land Rover made the RRS off it by using the same chassis. They both were very good and still popular cars, yet very different to drive anyway.
We were very close to buying a D3, only bought an X5 to stick to our favoured brand and get the performance that the D3/4 simply can not offer! The D3 isn't designed to drive fast, the X5 is. And it's a good thing that they both have a different purpose.
Keep them coming OP, I'm waiting for you to offend me with a review slating a BMW!
It used to be that range rovers (e.g. first gen sport) was made off land rovers (D3). Now land rovers seem to be made off range rovers!
Back in 2003 when the very good D3 came out, Land Rover made the RRS off it by using the same chassis. They both were very good and still popular cars, yet very different to drive anyway.
We were very close to buying a D3, only bought an X5 to stick to our favoured brand and get the performance that the D3/4 simply can not offer! The D3 isn't designed to drive fast, the X5 is. And it's a good thing that they both have a different purpose.
Keep them coming OP, I'm waiting for you to offend me with a review slating a BMW!
rayyan171 said:
They've messed up the formula.
It used to be that range rovers (e.g. first gen sport) was made off land rovers (D3). Now land rovers seem to be made off range rovers!
Back in 2003 when the very good D3 came out, Land Rover made the RRS off it by using the same chassis. They both were very good and still popular cars, yet very different to drive anyway.
We were very close to buying a D3, only bought an X5 to stick to our favoured brand and get the performance that the D3/4 simply can not offer! The D3 isn't designed to drive fast, the X5 is. And it's a good thing that they both have a different purpose.
Keep them coming OP, I'm waiting for you to offend me with a review slating a BMW!
I don't drive that many BMWs. However a couple of weeks ago I drove a battered 335d X-Drive return car about 350 miles and it was... Very good indeed actually. Having driven X5's and D3/4 Discos I would say that the Disco is a very nice car to drive slowly. That's actually pretty high praise. Few cars are. It used to be that range rovers (e.g. first gen sport) was made off land rovers (D3). Now land rovers seem to be made off range rovers!
Back in 2003 when the very good D3 came out, Land Rover made the RRS off it by using the same chassis. They both were very good and still popular cars, yet very different to drive anyway.
We were very close to buying a D3, only bought an X5 to stick to our favoured brand and get the performance that the D3/4 simply can not offer! The D3 isn't designed to drive fast, the X5 is. And it's a good thing that they both have a different purpose.
Keep them coming OP, I'm waiting for you to offend me with a review slating a BMW!
W124 said:
rayyan171 said:
They've messed up the formula.
It used to be that range rovers (e.g. first gen sport) was made off land rovers (D3). Now land rovers seem to be made off range rovers!
Back in 2003 when the very good D3 came out, Land Rover made the RRS off it by using the same chassis. They both were very good and still popular cars, yet very different to drive anyway.
We were very close to buying a D3, only bought an X5 to stick to our favoured brand and get the performance that the D3/4 simply can not offer! The D3 isn't designed to drive fast, the X5 is. And it's a good thing that they both have a different purpose.
Keep them coming OP, I'm waiting for you to offend me with a review slating a BMW!
I don't drive that many BMWs. However a couple of weeks ago I drove a battered 335d X-Drive return car about 350 miles and it was... Very good indeed actually. Having driven X5's and D3/4 Discos I would say that the Disco is a very nice car to drive slowly. That's actually pretty high praise. Few cars are. It used to be that range rovers (e.g. first gen sport) was made off land rovers (D3). Now land rovers seem to be made off range rovers!
Back in 2003 when the very good D3 came out, Land Rover made the RRS off it by using the same chassis. They both were very good and still popular cars, yet very different to drive anyway.
We were very close to buying a D3, only bought an X5 to stick to our favoured brand and get the performance that the D3/4 simply can not offer! The D3 isn't designed to drive fast, the X5 is. And it's a good thing that they both have a different purpose.
Keep them coming OP, I'm waiting for you to offend me with a review slating a BMW!
I'd also say the XC90 is a great car to drive slow.
W124 said:
Dusty964 said:
W124 said:
shirt said:
You definitely have the talent to write cat reviews for any magazine as your write up offers lots of opinion and little insight.
Lot of tosh there about the old model and that's coming from an owner.
I don't review cats. Could do though if that would be useful. Lot of tosh there about the old model and that's coming from an owner.
te you've already posted.How can something be simultaneously too long and too short? Too wide and yet too narrow?
OP, thoroughly enjoyable read. Look forward to more of the same.
On the matter at hand, love it or hate it (I hate it) I imagine JLR will still sell bucket-loads of the D5. But much as I love JLR I hope they don't, just to prove that you can't just make a car "luxurious" (read: flashy and ridiculous), and sell it to idiots hand over fist; sadly, in reality, I expect you can.
On the matter at hand, love it or hate it (I hate it) I imagine JLR will still sell bucket-loads of the D5. But much as I love JLR I hope they don't, just to prove that you can't just make a car "luxurious" (read: flashy and ridiculous), and sell it to idiots hand over fist; sadly, in reality, I expect you can.
That has become their business model if the D5 is anything to go by. Fair play to them, it's what I'd do. And it's fine if the cars are still good under all the Brent - as the Range Rover, for example is. It's still brilliant.
But the D5 is not. Take the badges off and you could be in anything. It's just boring.
But the D5 is not. Take the badges off and you could be in anything. It's just boring.
OP, I really enjoyed the review. Enjoyable style of writing and a refreshing lack of facts and figures - I can look those up myself so don't need someone to regurgitate the spec sheet to me.
To me, it was clearly a little tongue-in-cheek so I struggle with some of the posters who are responding like you're writing for What Car?.
It is indeed your opinion: what else is there? If I was in the market for one I'd go and test drive it myself, along with a few rivals.
Reading the review brightened my day a little, keep them coming!
To me, it was clearly a little tongue-in-cheek so I struggle with some of the posters who are responding like you're writing for What Car?.
It is indeed your opinion: what else is there? If I was in the market for one I'd go and test drive it myself, along with a few rivals.
Reading the review brightened my day a little, keep them coming!
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