T- Charge (Toxicity Charge) - new London zone entry expense!
Discussion
Pica-Pica said:
kiethton said:
Hmmmm....
"Registration not found"
That's annoying! - '07 Lotus Exige 190
If you continue it may explain why (in some cases it will be post Sept 2015, i.e. Euro6)"Registration not found"
That's annoying! - '07 Lotus Exige 190
'07 petrol, thought the cut off for petrol was '06 where they all had to be made to that standard?
kiethton said:
The following are exempt from paying the T-Charge:
London licensed Taxis and Private Hire Vehicles
Emergency service vehicles such as ambulances, fire engines, NHS vehicles and Ministry of Defence vehicles
Commercial vehicles built before 1973
Vehicles with a historic tax class (40 years and older).
Ah! That makes sense then.London licensed Taxis and Private Hire Vehicles
Emergency service vehicles such as ambulances, fire engines, NHS vehicles and Ministry of Defence vehicles
Commercial vehicles built before 1973
Vehicles with a historic tax class (40 years and older).
TonyRPH said:
Interesting to note that my 2.5L straight 6 BMW is £10 per day - and yet my emissions can't be much better than yours surely?
This is why I'm not particularly happy with it! More confused.Pica-Pica said:
Do you mean trams? What a novel idea! Edinburgh and Nottingham have had tram networks installed recently. When I went to Edinburgh while it was under consultation, a guide told me the taxi drivers were dead against it. You bet they were.
My brother worked on the tram network in Nottingham - apparently it's a bit of a deathtrap when you scratch the surface. Solid (if ancient) idea though, and would certainly spell doom for a lot of taxi / PCO drivers IF the network is able to roam the majority of meaningful routes.Havoc856-S said:
My 3.5l V6 Evora isn't charged... Which begs the question - what is this for?
My gut instinct is this is a slightly subtle way of reaffirming the idea that older cars are not deemed roadworthy due to emissionsm etcetera. Start small, then build on things like this continually until the oldest cars you see about are those owned by people who can still afford to run the things, even with the extortionate fines and charges imposed.Basically, you can't trust TFL's own website to tell you if your car is exempt or not. All smacks of trying to catch people out.
In order to be sure, it tells you to contact the vehicle manufacturer.
Let's put all the inconvenience on the driver, and fine them if they make a mistake, even if our system told them they're ok.
It's so bad, it could only be public sector. A private business would lose 99% of its customers.
In order to be sure, it tells you to contact the vehicle manufacturer.
Let's put all the inconvenience on the driver, and fine them if they make a mistake, even if our system told them they're ok.
It's so bad, it could only be public sector. A private business would lose 99% of its customers.
Resolutionary said:
Right, I'm getting a V8.
mmm - I have 2 V8se39 M5 - charged at £10 extra (Euro 3)
RRC LSE - apparently doesn't exist!
the 3.0 Z3 apparently doesn't exist either
the 1971 MG should be fine - but is a pile of rust in the corner of a barn so won't get as far as London anyway!
the car checker is also broken...
put in that car is built pre-2001 and apparently I have to pay - yet...
Other exemptions include: Vehicles with a historic tax class (40 years and older) and/or commercial vehicles manufactured before 1973.
so, it is a pretty flawed system
Edited by akirk on Thursday 24th August 13:41
I think the database they have is at least 12 months old.
I swapped the private plates on my cars last August and they still have the old car against the relevant plates.
Yet if I put them into AskMID or MOT History etc they pull back the right details.
So if you have a new plate or have changed plate in the last year, that may explain why it can't be found. God forbid the government use an up to date database...
I swapped the private plates on my cars last August and they still have the old car against the relevant plates.
Yet if I put them into AskMID or MOT History etc they pull back the right details.
So if you have a new plate or have changed plate in the last year, that may explain why it can't be found. God forbid the government use an up to date database...
akirk said:
mmm - I have 2 V8s
e39 M5 - charged at £10 extra (Euro 3)
RRC LSE - apparently doesn't exist!
the 3.0 Z3 apparently doesn't exist either
the 1971 MG should be fine - but is a pile of rust in the corner of a barn so won't get as far as London anyway!
the car checker is also broken...
put in that car is built pre-2001 and apparently I have to pay - yet...
Other exemptions include: Vehicles with a historic tax class (40 years and older) and/or commercial vehicles manufactured before 1973.
so, it is a pretty flawed system
Can you imagine working for a business that signs off this sort of se39 M5 - charged at £10 extra (Euro 3)
RRC LSE - apparently doesn't exist!
the 3.0 Z3 apparently doesn't exist either
the 1971 MG should be fine - but is a pile of rust in the corner of a barn so won't get as far as London anyway!
the car checker is also broken...
put in that car is built pre-2001 and apparently I have to pay - yet...
Other exemptions include: Vehicles with a historic tax class (40 years and older) and/or commercial vehicles manufactured before 1973.
so, it is a pretty flawed system
Edited by akirk on Thursday 24th August 13:41
te with seemingly no due diligence? How can .gov be remotely proud of their offerings / 'solutions' - ever?Lazadude said:
I think the database they have is at least 12 months old.
I swapped the private plates on my cars last August and they still have the old car against the relevant plates.
Yet if I put them into AskMID or MOT History etc they pull back the right details.
So if you have a new plate or have changed plate in the last year, that may explain why it can't be found. God forbid the government use an up to date database...
That'll be it.....comes up on the previous owner's reg - taken off 3 months ago....I swapped the private plates on my cars last August and they still have the old car against the relevant plates.
Yet if I put them into AskMID or MOT History etc they pull back the right details.
So if you have a new plate or have changed plate in the last year, that may explain why it can't be found. God forbid the government use an up to date database...
It doesn't make any sense.
On the DVLA site, one of my cars comes up as: "CO₂Emissions: Not available" - It's a 1997 mx5, of course - and on the TFL site it comes up as "not affected"
Yet my other car - a 2002 Lupo - is affected.
So the older, more polluting car gets away with it because it doesn't have any CO2 data; it predates all that malarky?
Seems odd to me...
On the DVLA site, one of my cars comes up as: "CO₂Emissions: Not available" - It's a 1997 mx5, of course - and on the TFL site it comes up as "not affected"
Yet my other car - a 2002 Lupo - is affected.
So the older, more polluting car gets away with it because it doesn't have any CO2 data; it predates all that malarky?
Seems odd to me...
dxg said:
It doesn't make any sense.
On the DVLA site, one of my cars comes up as: "CO?Emissions: Not available" - It's a 1997 mx5, of course - and on the TFL site it comes up as "not affected"
Yet my other car - a 2002 Lupo - is affected.
So the older, more polluting car gets away with it because it doesn't have any CO2 data; it predates all that malarky?
Seems odd to me...
It doesn't predate it, the MX5 should be Euro 2 or Euro 3. Is it an import?On the DVLA site, one of my cars comes up as: "CO?Emissions: Not available" - It's a 1997 mx5, of course - and on the TFL site it comes up as "not affected"
Yet my other car - a 2002 Lupo - is affected.
So the older, more polluting car gets away with it because it doesn't have any CO2 data; it predates all that malarky?
Seems odd to me...
Havoc856-S said:
My 3.5l V6 Evora isn't charged... Which begs the question - what is this for?
It's to deter people driving vehicles into the congestion zone which aren't Euro 4 compliant. It says that very clearly on all the TFL information.You Evora is compliant ie it has lower emissions than a car which isn't euro4 compliant.
It has nothing to do with cylinders, performance, engine capacity, fuel or cost of vehicle for gods sake.
Lazadude said:
I think the database they have is at least 12 months old.
I swapped the private plates on my cars last August and they still have the old car against the relevant plates.
Yet if I put them into AskMID or MOT History etc they pull back the right details.
So if you have a new plate or have changed plate in the last year, that may explain why it can't be found. God forbid the government use an up to date database...
my two cars which it can't find have private plates - one though has had that plate for over 5 years which would make their database very old!I swapped the private plates on my cars last August and they still have the old car against the relevant plates.
Yet if I put them into AskMID or MOT History etc they pull back the right details.
So if you have a new plate or have changed plate in the last year, that may explain why it can't be found. God forbid the government use an up to date database...
SonicShadow said:
dxg said:
It doesn't make any sense.
On the DVLA site, one of my cars comes up as: "CO?Emissions: Not available" - It's a 1997 mx5, of course - and on the TFL site it comes up as "not affected"
Yet my other car - a 2002 Lupo - is affected.
So the older, more polluting car gets away with it because it doesn't have any CO2 data; it predates all that malarky?
Seems odd to me...
It doesn't predate it, the MX5 should be Euro 2 or Euro 3. Is it an import?On the DVLA site, one of my cars comes up as: "CO?Emissions: Not available" - It's a 1997 mx5, of course - and on the TFL site it comes up as "not affected"
Yet my other car - a 2002 Lupo - is affected.
So the older, more polluting car gets away with it because it doesn't have any CO2 data; it predates all that malarky?
Seems odd to me...
I know I have to pay the pre-carbons road tax...
Whilst you do have to be insane to drive a car through central London, what hasn't been said is that Mayor Kahn wants to push the ULEZ boundary out to the North/South Circular borders.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/london...
This will impact a hell of a lot of drivers if it goes ahead (to be fair, it isn't certain to do so) but the mayor is under a lot of pressure to clean up the air within London and a recent consultation resulted in a broadly supportive result so watch this space...
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/london...
This will impact a hell of a lot of drivers if it goes ahead (to be fair, it isn't certain to do so) but the mayor is under a lot of pressure to clean up the air within London and a recent consultation resulted in a broadly supportive result so watch this space...
This will be more of a problem elsewhere up north when the low emmission zones are implemented there.
E.g. euro 3 Volvo D5's are regarded as more reliable and more economical, but if you work in Leeds or Manchester etc it will start to cost alot to go park in the city if you need a euro 4 onwards diesel.
E.g. euro 3 Volvo D5's are regarded as more reliable and more economical, but if you work in Leeds or Manchester etc it will start to cost alot to go park in the city if you need a euro 4 onwards diesel.
PC80 said:
Basically, you can't trust TFL's own website to tell you if your car is exempt or not. All smacks of trying to catch people out.
In order to be sure, it tells you to contact the vehicle manufacturer.
Let's put all the inconvenience on the driver, and fine them if they make a mistake, even if our system told them they're ok.
It's so bad, it could only be public sector. A private business would lose 99% of its customers.
The TFL T-Charge website is run by Capita- a private business, and indeed they should lose 99% of their customers. The issue is that we the public say the the public sector could be run more efficiently by the private sector, and when the private sector does that and fIn order to be sure, it tells you to contact the vehicle manufacturer.
Let's put all the inconvenience on the driver, and fine them if they make a mistake, even if our system told them they're ok.
It's so bad, it could only be public sector. A private business would lose 99% of its customers.
ks up it is the public sector that gets blamed. what is needed are people with real front line private sector experience to work in the public sector.My '97 Honda Civic 1.5i petrol fails. Question: is my car actually dirtier than a modern petrol version? It gives out zero <whatevs> already with its cat, so how is a new one cleaner?
I live and work inside the north circ so this is not good if they expand the zone
I live and work inside the north circ so this is not good if they expand the zone
Edited by CoolHands on Thursday 24th August 20:14
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