Tesla Roadster: Tesla unveils 'fastest production car ever'
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kambites said:
Assuming it's using the same cells as the other Teslas, the battery alone is going to weigh about a tonne. So realistically the car is going to be two... to record those figures it's going to need, what, 1500bhp plus?
I can't see it using the same cells. The model S battery takes up the whole floor pan and is about 4 inches thick. This is will be double the energy so would be double the size!Tim bo said:
... and yet it's still electric, so still needs power-hungry batteries which need power of limited resource, and with archaic charging systems and timings.
Musk needs to pour his R&D dollars into new and better technologies. Electric is not it.
We will run out of electricity when we run out of energy. Electromagnetism is a fundamental force and very very simple to control. There isn't a newer and better technology unless you change physics. The only argument against it is storage and charge time.Musk needs to pour his R&D dollars into new and better technologies. Electric is not it.
98elise said:
kambites said:
Assuming it's using the same cells as the other Teslas, the battery alone is going to weigh about a tonne. So realistically the car is going to be two... to record those figures it's going to need, what, 1500bhp plus?
I can't see it using the same cells. The model S battery takes up the whole floor pan and is about 4 inches thick. This is will be double the energy so would be double the size!It's actually the first Tesla that I've personally liked the looks of. Not that they're ugly cars by any means but just look somewhat generic.
Those performance figures are of course hugely impressive and yet for some reason I'm not overly impressed with them.
I guess the only reason I'm not is that it's taken years for petrol engines to build up the power for production vehicles. Where you have the likes of a family saloon with 600bhp that can be used day to day. Petrol cars have evolved.
Just feels like the performance from an electric car is the equivalent of having a more powerful iPad. Ultimately very good but lacking any kind of character.
I guess the perfect combination for me would be an electric car for day to day use that can do 500-600 miles to a charge. Then the joy of a V8 for the weekends.
Incredible car either way though.
Those performance figures are of course hugely impressive and yet for some reason I'm not overly impressed with them.
I guess the only reason I'm not is that it's taken years for petrol engines to build up the power for production vehicles. Where you have the likes of a family saloon with 600bhp that can be used day to day. Petrol cars have evolved.
Just feels like the performance from an electric car is the equivalent of having a more powerful iPad. Ultimately very good but lacking any kind of character.
I guess the perfect combination for me would be an electric car for day to day use that can do 500-600 miles to a charge. Then the joy of a V8 for the weekends.
Incredible car either way though.
Tim bo said:
... and yet it's still electric, so still needs power-hungry batteries which need power of limited resource, and with archaic charging systems and timings.
Musk needs to pour his R&D dollars into new and better technologies. Electric is not it.
Not sure if serious or whoosh parrot required.Musk needs to pour his R&D dollars into new and better technologies. Electric is not it.
jkh112 said:
98elise said:
kambites said:
Assuming it's using the same cells as the other Teslas, the battery alone is going to weigh about a tonne. So realistically the car is going to be two... to record those figures it's going to need, what, 1500bhp plus?
I can't see it using the same cells. The model S battery takes up the whole floor pan and is about 4 inches thick. This is will be double the energy so would be double the size!I imagine they are factoring known pending improvements to battery tech to their figures?
RumbleOfThunder said:
Tim bo said:
... and yet it's still electric, so still needs power-hungry batteries which need power of limited resource, and with archaic charging systems and timings.
Musk needs to pour his R&D dollars into new and better technologies. Electric is not it.
Not sure if serious or whoosh parrot required.Musk needs to pour his R&D dollars into new and better technologies. Electric is not it.
DonkeyApple said:
The current cars also use quite old battery tech. Maybe the new style of batteries from their own factory will have greater power to weight density by the time this car comes to market?
I I know the Model-S uses relatively conventional cells, although I believe they updated the electrode chemistry last year. However, I thought the 2170 cell in the Model-3 was about as cutting edge as it got in terms of production Li-Ion batteries? The 2170 cells seem to have an energy density of roughtly 1kwh per 3kg so a 200kwh battery would have ~600kg of cells, plus all the supporting infrastructure.
Edited by kambites on Friday 17th November 09:45
DonkeyApple said:
robemcdonald said:
Fantastic thing for sure, but will it ever get made? Or imported to the UK? In RHD?
I have been eyeing up a model 3 as my next car, but no longer have confidence it will be available in here by 2020 let alone the 2018 originally promised.
All these new launches are impressive, but surely TESLA would be better resolving one problem at the time and not making more.
I genuinely would like to be proved wrong.
It's how showmen work. The purpose of this product is mainly to get everyone in the audience to look somewhere else. Tesla also completely understand the importance of halo products for imprinting the brand. Without that the investor appetite begins to wane and if the share price slips too far to the point that it changes sentiment then it's all over for the company in a matter of days before they've secured the real revenues from the sale of the 3. It's a very smart company who understand how the game is played and why to date investors have been willing to invest so heavily. I have been eyeing up a model 3 as my next car, but no longer have confidence it will be available in here by 2020 let alone the 2018 originally promised.
All these new launches are impressive, but surely TESLA would be better resolving one problem at the time and not making more.
I genuinely would like to be proved wrong.
He's playing with fire, but currently he's winning and riding the waves.
If it does come crashing down around his ears, it's not his money to lose.
And if he wins, he trousers untold riches.
Smart position to be in.
mother of gawd !
https://twitter.com/tesla/status/93140956964067737...
Elon understands the need for a halo project, but he just knocked the halo car into outer space
https://twitter.com/tesla/status/93140956964067737...
Elon understands the need for a halo project, but he just knocked the halo car into outer space
stuckmojo said:
CanAm said:
The article continues:-
" production of the new car, an updated version of Tesla's first production vehicle, is expected to begin in 2020.
Its top speed was not revealed, but he hinted it was "above 250pmh". The current world record for a production car is 277.9mph, held by the Agera RS by Sweden’s Koenigsegg."
So basically a $200,000 Lotus Elise.
Wait, from that sentence alone you can tell it was definitely built on the Elise chassis, with 4wd and 4 seats, just like that. Wow." production of the new car, an updated version of Tesla's first production vehicle, is expected to begin in 2020.
Its top speed was not revealed, but he hinted it was "above 250pmh". The current world record for a production car is 277.9mph, held by the Agera RS by Sweden’s Koenigsegg."
So basically a $200,000 Lotus Elise.
On the grounds that the first Tesla, the Roadster was based on an Elise chassis and the new car is described as an updated version of that car. No mention of it being a 4 seater in that article.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
From another article, I now see that Mr Musk decribes it as a "4 seater" (worded very carefully but I think we're talking rather small people in the back seats), but is it more of a 4-seater than the Lotus Evora (also based on the Elise)?
The Evora isn't based on the Elise; it's an entirely different platform archetecture which happens to be made of the same material.
I think you're reading too much into the wording, they just mean it replaces the old Roadster in the same market segment. I don't think there's any indication that this will be based on anything Lotus.
I think you're reading too much into the wording, they just mean it replaces the old Roadster in the same market segment. I don't think there's any indication that this will be based on anything Lotus.
essayer said:
If everybody bought a Tesla Roadster 2 we’d need 5,000 extra nuclear power stations 
Well thank god it's too expensive for that to be a concern. The real issue is putting that much power and speed into the hands of morons. Still, idiots crashing them will keep breakers yards well stocked with high performance motors and battery packs.In the long term, power may be an issue, but more from a domestic current rating perspective. Mains 13 amps isn't going to touch the sides.
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