RE: Audi RS4 vs. Mercedes-AMG C63 S
Discussion
moffat said:
I think Audi have lost the plot at the moment. Both the RS4 and RS5 are pretty average looking things set off with truly awful alloys. Then we get to the engine and exhaust note, both are severely lacking making a car which should have a large sense of occasion lacking. They aren't really the RS cars of old.
Crazy to think how good the RS3's 2.5 5 cylinder is versus the numb and lifeless sound engine in the RS5.
I'm glad Mercedes have retained the V8, it's no-where near as sonorous as the epic 6.2 V8, but it still provides a great growl and should put the smile on the face of nearly any petrolhead when you press the ignition button.
Non S C63 estate with mech diff for me too next! I had high hopes for the new RS4 as it's a scratch I haven't itched... I think I much prefer the tamer S4.
Why the Non S, i'm interested in the upside of having a non S car in a hypothetical situation?Crazy to think how good the RS3's 2.5 5 cylinder is versus the numb and lifeless sound engine in the RS5.
I'm glad Mercedes have retained the V8, it's no-where near as sonorous as the epic 6.2 V8, but it still provides a great growl and should put the smile on the face of nearly any petrolhead when you press the ignition button.
Non S C63 estate with mech diff for me too next! I had high hopes for the new RS4 as it's a scratch I haven't itched... I think I much prefer the tamer S4.
JerryF said:
There is a huge debate about the merits of Diesel in this environmentally aware world. These cars are equally as bad, if not worse in the environmentally sensitive world.
Surely, PH should be asking why? PH is speed matters, but not at the cost f the planet. Audi and MB should be able to do more with less.
I owned the previous generation C63 and I no longer see the point, except for bragging prowess.
Speed limits in the UK are failing everywhere and this type of gas guzzling car makes no sense and should be outlawed. Efficient vehicles must be those that manufacturers should be pushing, not these expensive behemoths.
Out with your wish-washy group think.Surely, PH should be asking why? PH is speed matters, but not at the cost f the planet. Audi and MB should be able to do more with less.
I owned the previous generation C63 and I no longer see the point, except for bragging prowess.
Speed limits in the UK are failing everywhere and this type of gas guzzling car makes no sense and should be outlawed. Efficient vehicles must be those that manufacturers should be pushing, not these expensive behemoths.
I think it's the RS4 for me, just.
I adored my C55 AMG and great as the 6.2 C63 was there was very little if anything between mine and the newer car, C55 was probably more reliable, however this C63 really is a different league. Love my current XFR, I think the mid range is a match for most super saloons but the winter does have me hankering for the sure footedness of my old EVO 6. The sticking point would be the soundtrack but as a 3 year old purchase with some reliability feedback, RS's of olds Achilles Heel, I'll be watching the market with interest.
I adored my C55 AMG and great as the 6.2 C63 was there was very little if anything between mine and the newer car, C55 was probably more reliable, however this C63 really is a different league. Love my current XFR, I think the mid range is a match for most super saloons but the winter does have me hankering for the sure footedness of my old EVO 6. The sticking point would be the soundtrack but as a 3 year old purchase with some reliability feedback, RS's of olds Achilles Heel, I'll be watching the market with interest.
WobblyIronman said:
Can someone explain how >>insert 90% of manufacturers here<< can go from a base car at £29k to beyond £77k.
£29k base avant petrol model (granted its 1.4). Change the engine, add some leather, a new steering wheel, uprate the suspension and boom...
£47k base v6 model S4. Tweak the engine, a diff upgrade, blow out the arches and wallop...
£62k base price for an RS4
I know this is a very general overview but if nothing more I feel the discussion needs to move away from fossil fuel burning and tree hugging diesel comparisons.
Is there really over £33k of development and upgrades per car between the base and the halo?
Is there £15k difference between the S4 and Rs4?
Yes I have always wanted an RS4 and no, I dont have £62k.
Overpriced Euro muscle cars, like the RS4 and C63 S, are going to become an ever harder sell in the future. You can take a Golf R for £30k and remap it for £500 and it will be faster. If you go out and spend £60-90k on an RS4 or C63 S, and a Co-op store manager rags past you in his little Golf, you're gonna be devastated.£29k base avant petrol model (granted its 1.4). Change the engine, add some leather, a new steering wheel, uprate the suspension and boom...
£47k base v6 model S4. Tweak the engine, a diff upgrade, blow out the arches and wallop...
£62k base price for an RS4
I know this is a very general overview but if nothing more I feel the discussion needs to move away from fossil fuel burning and tree hugging diesel comparisons.
Is there really over £33k of development and upgrades per car between the base and the halo?
Is there £15k difference between the S4 and Rs4?
Yes I have always wanted an RS4 and no, I dont have £62k.
Yipper said:
Overpriced Euro muscle cars, like the RS4 and C63 S, are going to become an ever harder sell in the future. You can take a Golf R for £30k and remap it for £500 and it will be faster. If you go out and spend £60-90k on an RS4 or C63 S, and a Co-op store manager rags past you in his little Golf, you're gonna be devastated.
you do love a windup.I had a B7 RS4 Avant for 4 years, chopped it in for a new C63 estate in 2011. Rear wheel drive certainly spices up these estates, the Merc is the more exciting car by some way imho
Although I have greatly enjoyed both, if swapping my current C63 for the latest version is going to involve a £60 k investment, I think I will stick with my 2011 model-£82k is an awful lot of dosh for a c series and mine still feels excellent at 40k miles with the added benefit of no mechanical gremlins to date. With the ceramic brake option taken, Tyres (and fuel) are the only major regular expenses that need factoring in, i would thoroughly reccomend it to anyone who fancies a dip in fast estate water
Although I have greatly enjoyed both, if swapping my current C63 for the latest version is going to involve a £60 k investment, I think I will stick with my 2011 model-£82k is an awful lot of dosh for a c series and mine still feels excellent at 40k miles with the added benefit of no mechanical gremlins to date. With the ceramic brake option taken, Tyres (and fuel) are the only major regular expenses that need factoring in, i would thoroughly reccomend it to anyone who fancies a dip in fast estate water
JerryF said:
There is a huge debate about the merits of Diesel in this environmentally aware world. These cars are equally as bad, if not worse in the environmentally sensitive world.
Surely, PH should be asking why? PH is speed matters, but not at the cost f the planet. Audi and MB should be able to do more with less.
I owned the previous generation C63 and I no longer see the point, except for bragging prowess.
Speed limits in the UK are failing everywhere and this type of gas guzzling car makes no sense and should be outlawed. Efficient vehicles must be those that manufacturers should be pushing, not these expensive behemoths.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cow-emissions-more-damaging-to-planet-than-co2-from-cars-427843.htmlSurely, PH should be asking why? PH is speed matters, but not at the cost f the planet. Audi and MB should be able to do more with less.
I owned the previous generation C63 and I no longer see the point, except for bragging prowess.
Speed limits in the UK are failing everywhere and this type of gas guzzling car makes no sense and should be outlawed. Efficient vehicles must be those that manufacturers should be pushing, not these expensive behemoths.
Cows are bad. Cars not so bad..... Ban cows?
janesmith1950 said:
I'm amazed at how many things on the Audi are on the options list. I suppose it allows a lower basic price.
Was thinking this as well - fair enough on stuff like uprated stereo or larger wheels but even our not so uber fast Astra estate has heated leather front / rear and tyre pressure monitoring on the dash display as part of the standard spec for the trim.... The Germans have been doing this for years with options lists, remember my father had a e46 company car and the options list was stingy then. Not sure at what point it became reasonable to charge £70k+ for a performance junior exec but there'll be plenty who buy them that I have no doubt. Maybe it spur Alfa to make a (a equally expensive!) Giulia Quadrifoglio Sportwagon which would be a very cool thing indeed, much more interesting than these white goods from Stuttgart and Ingolstadt.
sdiggle said:
JerryF said:
There is a huge debate about the merits of Diesel in this environmentally aware world. These cars are equally as bad, if not worse in the environmentally sensitive world.
Surely, PH should be asking why? PH is speed matters, but not at the cost f the planet. Audi and MB should be able to do more with less.
I owned the previous generation C63 and I no longer see the point, except for bragging prowess.
Speed limits in the UK are failing everywhere and this type of gas guzzling car makes no sense and should be outlawed. Efficient vehicles must be those that manufacturers should be pushing, not these expensive behemoths.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cow-emissions-more-damaging-to-planet-than-co2-from-cars-427843.htmlSurely, PH should be asking why? PH is speed matters, but not at the cost f the planet. Audi and MB should be able to do more with less.
I owned the previous generation C63 and I no longer see the point, except for bragging prowess.
Speed limits in the UK are failing everywhere and this type of gas guzzling car makes no sense and should be outlawed. Efficient vehicles must be those that manufacturers should be pushing, not these expensive behemoths.
Cows are bad. Cars not so bad..... Ban cows?
Notanotherturbo said:
Meh, another pair of German high performance estates. I'm a life long car fan, why does everything new just leave me cold now. Had plenty of high performance estates over the years including the Audi 20v Turbo RS4 and C43 AMG but I think the sheer level of complication on these cars now means where I might have looked at a 5 year old one as an option I just wouldn't have the guts to take the risk of being bankrupted when they go wrong. So can't afford a new one , no b
ks to take a risk on an older one - looks like I've answered my own question! :0)
I feel the same, about most cars now. With these two it's just iteration after iteration trying to one up each other in some sort of German civil war.ks to take a risk on an older one - looks like I've answered my own question! :0)I'm sounding old but where the f
k are you going to use 500+ bhp on UK roads?GranCab said:
sdiggle said:
JerryF said:
There is a huge debate about the merits of Diesel in this environmentally aware world. These cars are equally as bad, if not worse in the environmentally sensitive world.
Surely, PH should be asking why? PH is speed matters, but not at the cost f the planet. Audi and MB should be able to do more with less.
I owned the previous generation C63 and I no longer see the point, except for bragging prowess.
Speed limits in the UK are failing everywhere and this type of gas guzzling car makes no sense and should be outlawed. Efficient vehicles must be those that manufacturers should be pushing, not these expensive behemoths.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/cow-emissions-more-damaging-to-planet-than-co2-from-cars-427843.htmlSurely, PH should be asking why? PH is speed matters, but not at the cost f the planet. Audi and MB should be able to do more with less.
I owned the previous generation C63 and I no longer see the point, except for bragging prowess.
Speed limits in the UK are failing everywhere and this type of gas guzzling car makes no sense and should be outlawed. Efficient vehicles must be those that manufacturers should be pushing, not these expensive behemoths.
Cows are bad. Cars not so bad..... Ban cows?
Get back to basics. Small capacity petrol engine, light weight, no electronics (traction or abs), mechanical fueling system ( ie carbs) and get back to proper driving!!
JerryF said:
swisstoni said:
We’ve all done it though.
Accidentally buying 500bhp V8 when we meant to buy a Leaf. I’d complain.
I realise the damage is done - I am a tree hugger. Just have no love for the current C63 or Audi, therefore not a troll.Accidentally buying 500bhp V8 when we meant to buy a Leaf. I’d complain.
Nothing wrong with a Tesla S or the forthcoming Ariel electric car.
But here's a link to a few of the cars owned - quite a few missing from the 70/80/90s. http://rockenterprises.co.uk/cars
tter or two at some point), but going back for seconds and then thirds is just inexcusable...The RS4 isn’t a patch on the C63 in this shape or in the previous W204 6.2 version.
Audi are firmly in the shadow of Mercedes, people stuck in the 90s may mock the Mercedes rust gate stuff, but it would still rather that then the issues you face with an Audi, not forgetting the fact they’re just bland.
So that’ll be their stty gearboxes, the utterly boring drive, the reliability (high oil consumption - they all do that sir), some other issues they keep attracting the attention of forums and watch dog for.
No thanks.
Mercedes all the way. All day everyday, yes call me a fanboy if you must.
Audi are firmly in the shadow of Mercedes, people stuck in the 90s may mock the Mercedes rust gate stuff, but it would still rather that then the issues you face with an Audi, not forgetting the fact they’re just bland.
So that’ll be their s
tty gearboxes, the utterly boring drive, the reliability (high oil consumption - they all do that sir), some other issues they keep attracting the attention of forums and watch dog for. No thanks.
Mercedes all the way. All day everyday, yes call me a fanboy if you must.
Tin Hat said:
.... swapping my current C63 for the latest version is going to involve a £60 k investment, I think I will stick with my 2011 model-£82k is an awful lot of dosh for a c series and mine still feels excellent at 40k miles with the added benefit of no mechanical gremlins to date. With the ceramic brake option taken, Tyres (and fuel) are the only major regular expenses that need factoring in, i would thoroughly reccomend it to anyone who fancies a dip in fast estate water
In the current climate, pun intended, a new c63 will fall even harder in value as taxes and fuel cost won't become less by any stretch. So either it will be the last scratch with evaporating money, or one could get the previous (purer) NA one for a lot less... Handling isn't as good they say, what is your take on that? From this article it sounds like suddenly they have become great, but I read many a comparison test where it keeps coming last in the handling department... Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff