RE: Porsche confirms the death of diesel
Discussion
HorneyMX5 said:
MC Bodge said:
I'm not sure of the net micro/macro effects of diesels/petrol, but if you walk, run or drive a convertible (I know, I know, nobody will admit it here) along a busy road at the current time, the diesel fumes are horrendously choking.
EFAOnehp said:
the (optional) 100l tank meant one could do almost 1000miles on a tank
My car has a range of about 700 miles on a full tank, it's pretty comfy.Sadly it's all a bit irrelevant as I've only got a 250ish mile bladder. 300 miles if I take it easy on fluids and keep my foot down.
unpc said:
I just spent some time recently in both London and New York and the difference in air quality is palpable. London reeks of diesel fumes whereas New York doesn't
This is one of the top remarks that US tourists make when first visiting Europe (the others being, "Beautiful old buildings" and "How can anybody afford to live here?").My first visit to the UK, in the 1980s, my parents and I could hardly believe what we were experiencing: being blasted by swirling clouds of fumes. Buses and lorries deposited clouds of diesel particulates on the pavement and the scent of unburnt hydrocarbons (no cat's) spewed from passenger cars. Lots of motorbikes about. It was, we said while trying to make light of it all, some sort of neo-Dickensian thing.
In the end of course we had a fabulous time and I subsequently returned on a regular basis, including travelling the length of the UK and working in the Southeast.
unsprung said:
This is one of the top remarks that US tourists make when first visiting Europe (the others being, "Beautiful old buildings" and "How can anybody afford to live here?").
My first visit to the UK, in the 1980s, my parents and I could hardly believe what we were experiencing: being blasted by swirling clouds of fumes. Buses and lorries deposited clouds of diesel particulates on the pavement and the scent of unburnt hydrocarbons (no cat's) spewed from passenger cars. Lots of motorbikes about. It was, we said while trying to make light of it all, some sort of neo-Dickensian thing.
In the end of course we had a fabulous time and I subsequently returned on a regular basis, including travelling the length of the UK and working in the Southeast.
New York, San Francisco, and LA all have much much nicer air than London because of the lack of diesels, as does Hong Kong (where all the cabs are LPG).My first visit to the UK, in the 1980s, my parents and I could hardly believe what we were experiencing: being blasted by swirling clouds of fumes. Buses and lorries deposited clouds of diesel particulates on the pavement and the scent of unburnt hydrocarbons (no cat's) spewed from passenger cars. Lots of motorbikes about. It was, we said while trying to make light of it all, some sort of neo-Dickensian thing.
In the end of course we had a fabulous time and I subsequently returned on a regular basis, including travelling the length of the UK and working in the Southeast.
Shanghai would but because of their 3rd world drainage and sanitation it stinks of s
t.nickfrog said:
anonymous said:
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Based on my experience, petrol turbo have a very different power delivery to a diesel. Diesels seem to have that instant pick up and go, whereas i've not experienced that with a turbo petrol petrol and there seems to be a bit more lag and less of an initial boost feeling/response.
MC Bodge said:
V88Dicky said:
The winner by a country mile though (actually a quarter of a mile 
), is my BIL, who drives the 400yds or so to work, because "it beats walking". Car of choice? A Merc A180d 
The world view of people like that is so far from my own that I just cannot comprehend it.), is my BIL, who drives the 400yds or so to work, because "it beats walking". Car of choice? A Merc A180d Is this man in any way a lean, healthy, open-minded, worldly individual?
He's actually reasonably fit and healthy, and certainly not a overweight. Long hours in a manual job sees to that.
I think it's just the 'diesel will save me money no matter what' mentality.
unpc said:
I just spent some time recently in both London and New York and the difference in air quality is palpable. London reeks of diesel fumes whereas New York doesn't so any move away from diesel is only a good thing IMO.
I stood in a central London street the other day. You're right, it stank, but I didn't see any cars, it was wall-to-wall vans, trucks, buses and taxis, all chucking out soot like there was no tomorrow.SS7
OK, I get there's not a lot of love for diesels on PH, but my Cayenne 3.0D is a great long distance cruiser. I travel to the Costa Blanca at least twice a year, 35mpg at 120kph average over 600km. Low 20's in the petrol version and I used to struggle to get 18mpg in the V8's.
I live in rural Wiltshire and the local OPC sold the vast majority of their Cayennes and Macans in the diesel format. I think this will hit them quite hard, at least in the short term.
I was waiting for the new diesel Cayenne to replace my current model, perhaps I'll just keep it. Interesting though, I can't see Range Rover giving them up any time soon.
I live in rural Wiltshire and the local OPC sold the vast majority of their Cayennes and Macans in the diesel format. I think this will hit them quite hard, at least in the short term.
I was waiting for the new diesel Cayenne to replace my current model, perhaps I'll just keep it. Interesting though, I can't see Range Rover giving them up any time soon.
It's all nonsense.
I can understand Porsche pulling diesels if demand is decreasing, but the whole diesel-bashing thing is reactionary claptrap. Diesels make a lot of sense for many people. The lawmakers need a blinkin' slap. Policy is so narrow-minded its unreal. We jumped on the CO2 bandwagon, then the NOx bandwagon, the EV bandwagon, while paying virtually no attention to the actual science. As others have said, many modern petrol engines are still polluting. How long before that becomes a travesty? Once we've all been forced into EVs, how long is it going to be before they've changed their mind and decided that mining endless lithium and recycling batteries is the worst thing to ever happen to the world? All we're doing is changing from a reliance on fuels dug up from the ground in the Middle East to a reliance on fuel dug up from the ground in South America. Utterly bonkers. Anyone with a genuine interest in reducing the environmental impact of transport would be advocating reducing the number of journeys that people have to make, i.e. more remote working, less reliance on the traditional office environment, etc etc etc.
On the flip side, the buying public also have to share some of the blame. While governments bear a lot of responsibility for foolish policy making, for most people, a car is their second biggest purchase, why are people not researching that purchase? As noted above, people are buying diesels to do a one mile commute and complaining about the government for "deceiving" them. How about, if you're going to spend £20k on something (or £250 a month), you take some responsibility for yourself and try to better understand what you're buying. People's retardedness when it comes to cars drives me mental. You can't claim to care about the environment and then ignorantly purchase a machine that pollutes it. That just doesn't wash with me.
I can understand Porsche pulling diesels if demand is decreasing, but the whole diesel-bashing thing is reactionary claptrap. Diesels make a lot of sense for many people. The lawmakers need a blinkin' slap. Policy is so narrow-minded its unreal. We jumped on the CO2 bandwagon, then the NOx bandwagon, the EV bandwagon, while paying virtually no attention to the actual science. As others have said, many modern petrol engines are still polluting. How long before that becomes a travesty? Once we've all been forced into EVs, how long is it going to be before they've changed their mind and decided that mining endless lithium and recycling batteries is the worst thing to ever happen to the world? All we're doing is changing from a reliance on fuels dug up from the ground in the Middle East to a reliance on fuel dug up from the ground in South America. Utterly bonkers. Anyone with a genuine interest in reducing the environmental impact of transport would be advocating reducing the number of journeys that people have to make, i.e. more remote working, less reliance on the traditional office environment, etc etc etc.
On the flip side, the buying public also have to share some of the blame. While governments bear a lot of responsibility for foolish policy making, for most people, a car is their second biggest purchase, why are people not researching that purchase? As noted above, people are buying diesels to do a one mile commute and complaining about the government for "deceiving" them. How about, if you're going to spend £20k on something (or £250 a month), you take some responsibility for yourself and try to better understand what you're buying. People's retardedness when it comes to cars drives me mental. You can't claim to care about the environment and then ignorantly purchase a machine that pollutes it. That just doesn't wash with me.
Edited by Jon_S_Rally on Tuesday 20th February 17:40
SkinnyPete said:
Good riddance.
All diesels are hateful things and Porsche are no exception to that rule, now they just need to kill off their 4 pot models and we might be heading in the right direction!
I see from your picture you have a 6 cylinder Cayman. A friend of mine had just such a car and I drove it on a 200 mike journey. It’s absolutely excellent! Gears a bit long maybe but seriously rapid, handles well, sounds great and is generally a very nice thing! I hear the next Boxster Spyder and GT4 will be 6 cylinder, so maybe one day there will be a 6 in a Cayman / Boxster , with the 4 then being the entry level car. Let’s see.All diesels are hateful things and Porsche are no exception to that rule, now they just need to kill off their 4 pot models and we might be heading in the right direction!
ITP said:
Never understood why someone would buy a diesel Porsche. The only reason to have a diesel is to save money if you do 10’s of thousands of miles on motorways.
It’s like paying top dollar to go to a 5 star restaurant but ordering beans on toast to keep the cost down.
The comparable GTS Petrol to Diesel S - Cayenne - the diesel out performs and returns better fuel economy and is a V8....so why would you buy the petrol if only for the noise?It’s like paying top dollar to go to a 5 star restaurant but ordering beans on toast to keep the cost down.
chazd said:
ITP said:
Never understood why someone would buy a diesel Porsche. The only reason to have a diesel is to save money if you do 10’s of thousands of miles on motorways.
It’s like paying top dollar to go to a 5 star restaurant but ordering beans on toast to keep the cost down.
The comparable GTS Petrol to Diesel S - Cayenne - the diesel out performs and returns better fuel economy and is a V8....so why would you buy the petrol if only for the noise?It’s like paying top dollar to go to a 5 star restaurant but ordering beans on toast to keep the cost down.
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