Being charged for not moving (Permit absurdity)
Discussion
Bruce Fielding said:
Plug Life said:
I hate diesel and proud of it.™
Why? On average, engines that run on diesel accelerate faster than petrol (more torque).
They last longer overall life.
They go further per litre
They pollute about the same overall (less refining process).
What's not to like?
Also saying Camden is the best place to live is hilarious. Good one, very funny.
Camden Council is the price you have to pay for living amongst a bunch of virtue signalling luvvies and sundry other pillocks who elsewhere would probably vote Tory. It is a one party state with no fear of competition and is lazy, inefficient and unaccountable as a result. The best path to peace and sanity around here is to engage as little as possible with them.
OP, I wouldn't waste your time complaining - the Council won't listen, whichever party your ward councillors belong to. It hates all motorists and wants us on bicycles (presumably in Mao jackets).
I have had my run-ins with the Council because they object to my rotating my seven cars on my resident's permit, even though there is nothing in the regulations to stop me.
The official I was dealing with assumed I was a car dealer, selling off the street, and told me that my permit was being revoked without even contacting me beforehand to ascertain the facts. He panicked a bit when I contacted him to suggest that he familiarise himself with the concept of judicial review. Last I heard from the bugger.
OP, I wouldn't waste your time complaining - the Council won't listen, whichever party your ward councillors belong to. It hates all motorists and wants us on bicycles (presumably in Mao jackets).
I have had my run-ins with the Council because they object to my rotating my seven cars on my resident's permit, even though there is nothing in the regulations to stop me.
The official I was dealing with assumed I was a car dealer, selling off the street, and told me that my permit was being revoked without even contacting me beforehand to ascertain the facts. He panicked a bit when I contacted him to suggest that he familiarise himself with the concept of judicial review. Last I heard from the bugger.
NickCQ said:
Lee540 said:
AyBee said:
how else do you suggest they do it (Camden congestion zone? 
)?
Get rid of buses.. )?Bruce Fielding said:
Just bought a new smoker, and Camden have decided in their wisdom to charge me an extra £61 a year for parking a diesel outside my gaff.
That's PARKING.
Not driving.
Not burning fuel.
Not polluting what is already the most polluted council in London thanks to TFL and delivery drivers.
Why on earth should I pay more money for not operating my car than my neighbour with a hybrid for not operating their car?
Parking permits have to be about space on the road, not about emissions, surely?
Is this insane or is it just me?
Anyone else suffering this?
What can be done?
You have to understand that once you enter the world of Liberal Leftie Control you resign your rights and your money to their back pocket. They will do with you what they please, if you object they will shout you down and accuse you of being a "nasty polluter who cares not for the small children around you evil doer". They will strip you of your had earned for their won benefit and will introduce laws not because they are necessary, but because they can. That's PARKING.
Not driving.
Not burning fuel.
Not polluting what is already the most polluted council in London thanks to TFL and delivery drivers.
Why on earth should I pay more money for not operating my car than my neighbour with a hybrid for not operating their car?
Parking permits have to be about space on the road, not about emissions, surely?
Is this insane or is it just me?
Anyone else suffering this?
What can be done?
Negotiation on this will get you as far as you would if you said No to the Borg.
LarsG said:
Bruce Fielding said:
Just bought a new smoker, and Camden have decided in their wisdom to charge me an extra £61 a year for parking a diesel outside my gaff.
That's PARKING.
Not driving.
Not burning fuel.
Not polluting what is already the most polluted council in London thanks to TFL and delivery drivers.
Why on earth should I pay more money for not operating my car than my neighbour with a hybrid for not operating their car?
Parking permits have to be about space on the road, not about emissions, surely?
Is this insane or is it just me?
Anyone else suffering this?
What can be done?
You have to understand that once you enter the world of Liberal Leftie Control you resign your rights and your money to their back pocket. They will do with you what they please, if you object they will shout you down and accuse you of being a "nasty polluter who cares not for the small children around you evil doer". They will strip you of your had earned for their won benefit and will introduce laws not because they are necessary, but because they can. That's PARKING.
Not driving.
Not burning fuel.
Not polluting what is already the most polluted council in London thanks to TFL and delivery drivers.
Why on earth should I pay more money for not operating my car than my neighbour with a hybrid for not operating their car?
Parking permits have to be about space on the road, not about emissions, surely?
Is this insane or is it just me?
Anyone else suffering this?
What can be done?
Negotiation on this will get you as far as you would if you said No to the Borg.
Bruce Fielding said:
I have no objection to paying extra for driving a polluting vehicle through a city.
What I am miffed about is being charged for NOT driving it.
That's long been Gov't policyWhat I am miffed about is being charged for NOT driving it.
I have at least 3 cars taxed at any one time
I can only drive one at a time and I cover less than 10k in all 3.
Bruce Fielding said:
Why?
On average, engines that run on diesel accelerate faster than petrol (more torque).
They last longer overall life.
They go further per litre
They pollute about the same overall (less refining process).
What's not to like?
Yes, but:On average, engines that run on diesel accelerate faster than petrol (more torque).
They last longer overall life.
They go further per litre
They pollute about the same overall (less refining process).
What's not to like?
Petrol cars produce CO2 and melt the polar bears' igloos. There are no polar bears in Camden.
Electric cars carve up vast amount of Canadian countryside for Lithium mines and the shipping processes involved dump exhaust into the world's oceans. There are neither Lithium mines nor oceans in Camden.
Diesel cars produce NOX particles and low level pollutants that harm people breathing in the local area. There are lots of people breathing in Camden.
Bruce Fielding said:
I have no objection to paying extra for driving a polluting vehicle through a city.
What I am miffed about is being charged for NOT driving it.
You're not being charged for "NOT driving it". You're being charged for PARKING it. That's why it's called a Parking Permit.What I am miffed about is being charged for NOT driving it.
OP I feel your pain, and from having spent more time in Camden than is healthy for one of sound mind I agree your council is one of those more effective at forcing their will on those they serve.
But, this is similar to all the other inequities in motoring:
VED (or whatever it's called now) ranges from FA to £500+, even £1k for a new car, regardless of how many miles the car does or how much space it takes up on the road even if it hardly ever turns a wheel and gets parked off road. Apparently, it's all down to pollution when it IS running. Even though we already pay for THAT by virtue of the tax on the fuel we use doing x miles at y mpg, and the VAT on the tyres and other consumables, and the income tax we are paying with the money earned from getting stuff done (regardless of whether you are driving on business or just commuting to your place of work).
In fairness to the Soviet Camden Republic, you have viable alternatives such as public transport, taxis, car clubs, walking (disappointed people in Camden don't all do the Madness walk).
Out here in the sticks many have limited or zero alternative
But, this is similar to all the other inequities in motoring:
VED (or whatever it's called now) ranges from FA to £500+, even £1k for a new car, regardless of how many miles the car does or how much space it takes up on the road even if it hardly ever turns a wheel and gets parked off road. Apparently, it's all down to pollution when it IS running. Even though we already pay for THAT by virtue of the tax on the fuel we use doing x miles at y mpg, and the VAT on the tyres and other consumables, and the income tax we are paying with the money earned from getting stuff done (regardless of whether you are driving on business or just commuting to your place of work).
In fairness to the Soviet Camden Republic, you have viable alternatives such as public transport, taxis, car clubs, walking (disappointed people in Camden don't all do the Madness walk).
Out here in the sticks many have limited or zero alternative
donkmeister said:
But, this is similar to all the other inequities in motoring:
VED (or whatever it's called now) ranges from FA to £500+, even £1k for a new car
Yeh, it used to be like that for a dozen years, for cars new from 2006 to 2017.VED (or whatever it's called now) ranges from FA to £500+, even £1k for a new car
It's actually a lot flatter for cars new in the last year - after the first tax for a new car (£0-£2k), it's £140 for everything petrol or diesel (inc hybrid), £0 for electric-only, plus an additional £310 for the first five years for anything list price of £40k+, even electric.
So a 1yo Ferrari? £450. A 1yo Tesla? £310. A 1yo Fiesta? £140. Does that make you happier?
Bruce Fielding said:
Plug Life said:
I hate diesel and proud of it.™
Why? Bruce Fielding said:
On average, engines that run on diesel accelerate faster than petrol (more torque).
There is this funny thing called a gearbox. Diesels have to be geared higher...which means when you're comparing relatively equivalent petrol and diesel cars that outside of 1st gear the petrol can be making more torque at the wheels for any given speed.AC43 said:
LarsG said:
AC43 said:
Or you could just get a petrol which is much more suited to city use.
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