RE: Jaguar XE S: Driven
Discussion
Shiv_P said:
ITP said:
Personally, I find the 3 series pretty bland these days, however good it is on paper, its best feature being available with a manual box, for a bit more interest!
The 3 series manual is naff to drive for any sort of distance because the pedals are so offsetMy father's on his 2nd of these. He knows his motors (to put it mildly) and he absolutely adores them.
The engine note does have that "angry man in the boot" noise, and the rear space is a bit dire, but otherwise it's hard to fault.
It has more of that indefinable 'character' than anything German he's had, I'm sure of it.
The engine note does have that "angry man in the boot" noise, and the rear space is a bit dire, but otherwise it's hard to fault.
It has more of that indefinable 'character' than anything German he's had, I'm sure of it.
Mr Tidy said:
Shame - I've always fancied a Jaguar but would never consider one with a 4 cylinder engine.
The 6-pot is being discontinued because they can't sort the emissions ,and they don't sell - maybe they don't sell because they never did sort the emissions?
BMW don't seem to struggle to sell 140is, 240is, 340is, etc.
Don't Jaguar have any engineers now?
Its not just the 6 cylinders that don't sell, none of them do.The 6-pot is being discontinued because they can't sort the emissions ,and they don't sell - maybe they don't sell because they never did sort the emissions?
BMW don't seem to struggle to sell 140is, 240is, 340is, etc.
Don't Jaguar have any engineers now?
Total European sales for the XE (all models) total just 2,815 for the first 3 months of 2018.
http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/ja...
In the same period BMW shifted 10 times more 3-Series (28,466 sold), and that's in its run out year.
I thought the XE was supposed to be the start of Jaguar building some volume - the reality is it's a bit of a sales flop.
Edited by GTEYE on Wednesday 9th May 09:13
GTEYE said:
Its not just the 6 cylinders that don't sell, none of them do.
Total European sales for the XE (all models) total just 2,815 for the first 3 months of 2018.
In the same period BMW shifted 10 times more 3-Series (28,466 sold), and that's in its run out year.
I thought the XE was supposed to be the start of Jaguar building some volume - the reality is it's a bit of a sales flop.
Worse than that only 25% are petrol. Total European sales for the XE (all models) total just 2,815 for the first 3 months of 2018.
In the same period BMW shifted 10 times more 3-Series (28,466 sold), and that's in its run out year.
I thought the XE was supposed to be the start of Jaguar building some volume - the reality is it's a bit of a sales flop.
Once WLTP kicks in, and now that no-one wants to buy a diesel. Who is going to be buying an XE?
Surely by any metric it’s not worthwhile them even continuing to manufacture it as they are going to have to spend a great deal of money on new engines that are still possibly miles off?
Is it a shared platform with any other models to maximise the engineering cost?
Someone at JLR has taken their eye off the ball with the power train choices.
Mr Tidy said:
ITP said:
I would have though privately quite a few on pcp.
Private "buyers" buy them - pcp-ers just rent them! More likely the uk obsession with German cars and also the fact the XE-S was priced too high in comparison, which was never going to work with the inbuilt fear of anything not German, even at the same price.
This is also why the Giulia doesn’t sell too well over here (apart from the problem of the dealers being sub standard) despite it being an excellent car and a similar price to the competition.
schmalex said:
We have an XE, albeit the 2.0d R Line 180.
Simply put, it is bloody awful. I thought the X Type we had 15 years or so ago was the worst Jaguar could do, but the XE has given it a jolly good run for its money.
In the three years we’ve had it, it’s spent nearly 20 weeks back at the dealership getting various bits, that weren’t built well enough in the first place, replaced. On the rare occasions we have had it back, it rattles and squeaks, the engine sounds like a bag of spanners and it eats tyres.
Thank goodness it’s coming to the end of its lease. It’ll be going back to Jaguar and we’ll spend our money on a decent car from a premium marque.
Had a Merc C300H for 3 years. In and out with gearbox issues. Charging issues and the most uncomfortable seats I have ever had in a car. Currently got an interim C200 2 year old pool car while I await my XF. The C200 feels like a 10 year old car.Simply put, it is bloody awful. I thought the X Type we had 15 years or so ago was the worst Jaguar could do, but the XE has given it a jolly good run for its money.
In the three years we’ve had it, it’s spent nearly 20 weeks back at the dealership getting various bits, that weren’t built well enough in the first place, replaced. On the rare occasions we have had it back, it rattles and squeaks, the engine sounds like a bag of spanners and it eats tyres.
Thank goodness it’s coming to the end of its lease. It’ll be going back to Jaguar and we’ll spend our money on a decent car from a premium marque.
Edited by schmalex on Tuesday 8th May 18:18
ITP said:
This is also why the Giulia doesn’t sell too well over here (apart from the problem of the dealers being sub standard) despite it being an excellent car and a similar price to the competition.
The RRP of the Giulia is high, but the price you'll pay is significantly lower - I paid £31500 for a brand new Veloce with a few options. That amount of money for a 280bhp stunning, decent spec'd, well built (in the most part) Italian sports saloon is insane - just a shame Alfa are in no way set up to support a premium vehicle. Or any car as my experience with them seems to demonstrate.B10 said:
Had a Merc C300H for 3 years. In and out with gearbox issues. Charging issues and the most uncomfortable seats I have ever had in a car. Currently got an interim C200 2 year old pool car while I await my XF. The C200 feels like a 10 year old car.
Why did you choose the XF? I have recently got an XF 25t and love it choosing it over the German alternatives, I found it to be so much more fun to drive and a bit more special to be in (although I can't put my finger on why). I really love the car the four cylinder petrol sounds good, goes well and it very smooth and quiet when cruise on the motorway. stuart_83 said:
ITP said:
This is also why the Giulia doesn’t sell too well over here (apart from the problem of the dealers being sub standard) despite it being an excellent car and a similar price to the competition.
The RRP of the Giulia is high, but the price you'll pay is significantly lower - I paid £31500 for a brand new Veloce with a few options. That amount of money for a 280bhp stunning, decent spec'd, well built (in the most part) Italian sports saloon is insane - just a shame Alfa are in no way set up to support a premium vehicle. Or any car as my experience with them seems to demonstrate.And this is why the German manufacturers will always win. Their product might not always be better (but generally they churn out fewer lemons than say Alfa) - but they do know know how to look after their customers. And that's what keeps them coming back year after year. And why customers like yourself will probably never consider an Alfa again.
fatboy b said:
stuart_83 said:
Stay far away from Alfa Romeo then!
My month old Giulia Veloce, though stunning to look at and drive rattles like a 20 year old Renault and is in the process of being rejected.
It was in the garage for about 50% of my 6 weeks of ownership.
I thought this may happen. A lovely looking car, and I fancy the Quadrafoglio. But I fear it won’t be in one piece after a year. My month old Giulia Veloce, though stunning to look at and drive rattles like a 20 year old Renault and is in the process of being rejected.
It was in the garage for about 50% of my 6 weeks of ownership.
My QV has done 11,000 miles and hasn't missed a beat. No rattles, no squeaks, no issues. And my experience is by far the majority.
Limpet said:
I recall my mate saying the same thing back in the late 90s after being given the run around trying to get his 156 2.0 Twin Spark fixed. The car was nigglingly poor rather than awful, but the dealers and Alfa UK turned everything into such a drama that it was scarcely believable. It's such a shame to read that Alfa still seem to be struggling with the basics two decades on.
Dealers are sEdited by Limpet on Tuesday 8th May 22:48
t. You've just got to find a good one for the once per year service visit....preferably one the other end of a very enjoyable drive 
I can recommend Piccadilly in Knaresborough with the Yorkshire Dales & Moors on it's doorstep.
GTEYE said:
And sadly, you have first hand experience on why yet again Alfa have failed, as they have always failed and will always fail.
And this is why the German manufacturers will always win. Their product might not always be better (but generally they churn out fewer lemons than say Alfa) - but they do know know how to look after their customers. And that's what keeps them coming back year after year. And why customers like yourself will probably never consider an Alfa again.
The notion that German dealers look after their customer is no longer the case though. BMW and Merc were utterly sAnd this is why the German manufacturers will always win. Their product might not always be better (but generally they churn out fewer lemons than say Alfa) - but they do know know how to look after their customers. And that's what keeps them coming back year after year. And why customers like yourself will probably never consider an Alfa again.
t when I was looking at changing my car a car ago. Even the dealer that supplied the 640d I was in at the time, and had supplied my previous 4 BMWs had no real interest. Ditto problems with servicing, problem resolution and any bodywork issues.Burwood said:
And they depreciate like a stone
And their interiors suck. Think Toyota plus
Do you own a Lexus then? I've had an IS from new and the interior in particular is like night and day compared to the C Lass which it replaced. The leather is real not "artico" & there are many thoughtful touches which just work too - like the piece of felt near the seatbelt buckle to prevent you dropping pens etc down under the front seats, the side windows with soft close and rain repellent glass coating. Elec Seats and steering wheel adjustment which has far better range of movement. Solid switch gear and one of the best in car stereos i have heard (ML) Even the temperature controls are haptic touch!And their interiors suck. Think Toyota plus
depreciation wise - don't all mainstream cars do this?
Ares said:
Don't listen to the (very) odd detractor. All brands have isolated issues (see the Audi thread where the brand new A5 didn't manage a mile before ending 4 weeks at the dealer).
My QV has done 11,000 miles and hasn't missed a beat. No rattles, no squeaks, no issues. And my experience is by far the majority.
My issue is more to do with the total lack of customer service from all areas of the business. The issue with the car has been overshadowed by their actions.My QV has done 11,000 miles and hasn't missed a beat. No rattles, no squeaks, no issues. And my experience is by far the majority.
I genuinely hope your car remains reliable and you don't have to deal with Alfa Romeo ... otherwise you'll experience what I've been having to deal with.
They are truly fantastic cars, I love mine to bits and is genuinely the best car I've owned or driven, even in Veloce guise. They've just ruined the Alfa ownership experience for me completely.
stuart_83 said:
Ares said:
Don't listen to the (very) odd detractor. All brands have isolated issues (see the Audi thread where the brand new A5 didn't manage a mile before ending 4 weeks at the dealer).
My QV has done 11,000 miles and hasn't missed a beat. No rattles, no squeaks, no issues. And my experience is by far the majority.
My issue is more to do with the total lack of customer service from all areas of the business. The issue with the car has been overshadowed by their actions.My QV has done 11,000 miles and hasn't missed a beat. No rattles, no squeaks, no issues. And my experience is by far the majority.
I genuinely hope your car remains reliable and you don't have to deal with Alfa Romeo ... otherwise you'll experience what I've been having to deal with.
They are truly fantastic cars, I love mine to bits and is genuinely the best car I've owned or driven, even in Veloce guise. They've just ruined the Alfa ownership experience for me completely.
I went to have a browse at some guilias a while back and the ‘salesman’ walked up asked a few questions one of which is ‘what do you drive now?’ To which I replied ‘a GTA’. His response, ‘what, a mito?’........
At least he didn’t attempt blatant theft like the last BMW dealer I dealt with who failed my 330i MOT and said I needed new discs and pads on the rear for £700 when there was nothing wrong with them. I have the dealer principals pathetic attempt of justification on a recording when I uncovered their deception.
Mr Tidy said:
Shame - I've always fancied a Jaguar but would never consider one with a 4 cylinder engine.
The 6-pot is being discontinued because they can't sort the emissions ,and they don't sell - maybe they don't sell because they never did sort the emissions?
BMW don't seem to struggle to sell 140is, 240is, 340is, etc.
Don't Jaguar have any engineers now?
Clearly more gifted than plenty in Munchen. BMW recall anybody? The 6-pot is being discontinued because they can't sort the emissions ,and they don't sell - maybe they don't sell because they never did sort the emissions?
BMW don't seem to struggle to sell 140is, 240is, 340is, etc.
Don't Jaguar have any engineers now?
It's a real shame charismatic engines are being phased out. It's interesting that Audi, Merc and BMW seem to have found a way to still sell 6 cylinder petrol engines in decent numbers though. I guess that is a combo of brand image, perceived quality and lower finance/tax payments?
I like the XE but I can't help but think it could do with an S-line/M Performace/AMG-line style bodykit. This just doesn't look like a 380bhp car to me.
I like the XE but I can't help but think it could do with an S-line/M Performace/AMG-line style bodykit. This just doesn't look like a 380bhp car to me.
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