RE: Maserati Quattroporte: Spotted

RE: Maserati Quattroporte: Spotted

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Helicopter123

8,831 posts

157 months

Sunday 20th May 2018
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Aes87 said:
Yeh Quattroportes arent cool, id prefer a 760 beemer or AMG S Class
yikes

Contigo

3,115 posts

210 months

Sunday 20th May 2018
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Aes87 said:
Yeh Quattroportes arent cool, id prefer a 760 beemer or AMG S Class
No they are dull as fk!

Maserati, understated Esoteric left-field choice.



defblade

7,463 posts

214 months

Sunday 20th May 2018
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Schermerhorn said:
Here's why you should buy one wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QAHK1Uy9ao
He's being a bit unfair there... I see cruise controls on the LH stalk (although still somewhat obscured by the flappy paddle) and he's chosen a water bottle with a waist right at the height of the lip of the cupholder...
...oh, and my JDM Legacy bleeps at me in reverse, too wink


Quite a lot of want for this one, happily tempered by (a) needing an estate and (b) not having sufficiently large testicles for the inevitable bills.
(Mainly (a), obviously smile ).

Contigo

3,115 posts

210 months

Sunday 20th May 2018
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defblade said:
He's being a bit unfair there... I see cruise controls on the LH stalk (although still somewhat obscured by the flappy paddle) and he's chosen a water bottle with a waist right at the height of the lip of the cupholder...
...oh, and my JDM Legacy bleeps at me in reverse, too wink


Quite a lot of want for this one, happily tempered by (a) needing an estate and (b) not having sufficiently large testicles for the inevitable bills.
(Mainly (a), obviously smile ).
Factor £3k a year, some years it won't be a third of that, some years might be worse. As long as you check the big ticket items prior to purchase (PPI or a mate who knows the cars well) then you can mitigate those risks.

Check:
Rattle on startup from cold (whilst this is more of an issue with the wet sump and later 4.7 engines the variators have been know to fail - £3k job)
discs and pads - pads not too bad but front discs are £1400 a pair.
suspension bushes - get the car on the MOT shaker an or a pry bar with the wheels off the floor , top arm bushes are common. It is possible to replace the bushes in the arms rather than buying a full complete assembly.
check uneven tyre wear... this usually is alignment issue or worn bushes.
Subframe corrosion is a know weak point so getting under one and have a good look is a must on the earlier cars.
clutch - get the SD2/3 plugged in and check the clutch wear reading (anything over 50% worn is a replacement. Drive it until it breaks is the rule though) it will leave you stranded as it won't select a gear especially if the tang collapses.





P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Sunday 20th May 2018
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Contigo said:
P5BNij said:
Around this time last year I was hovering with intent looking at buying an early ZF example but chickened out, in overpowering bright red with a sumptuous black leather interior it had oodles of presence and sounded wonderful. I was taken for a very fast ride around Bruntingthorpe in a duo-select version a while ago which made the hairs on the back of my neck do strange things, the V8 sounded incredible on the limit. I've read everything I can about them on the Sportsmaserati forum, weighing up the pros and cons of duo-select vs ZF box, but still can't quite make the leap and I'm not entirely sure why.

I still want one though...!
Do it mate! Life's too short. I can guarantee it was one of us (sportsmaserati) crew who took you on the high speed lap at Brunty (on your marks)

Check these cars for subframe rot as the earlier cars can suffer serious problems.

Any advice you need let me know.
You're right of course Con, life is way to short to faff about round the edges and with that in mind I'm going in a slightly different direction, I'm on the verge of getting something older from the same / similar exotic stable - long story short, lost my Dad very suddenly last year, life's too short, I'm the wrong side of fifty to hang about much longer, blah blah blah, need something special in my life besides the Mrs, etc, etc.

I think it was Andy who took me for a spin at Brunty - dark blue / tan QPV, what a machine... whatever happens viz above, it's not beyond the realms that a decent QPV could replace my daily Alfa, we'll see..!


Edited by P5BNij on Sunday 20th May 20:30

Benjamonk

94 posts

196 months

Sunday 20th May 2018
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Head says "No! Run away;"

Heart says "But it's so lovely. And it's Maserati. Hmm...."

My heart kicks my head's arse when it comes to buying cars 😀👍

barolo

3 posts

117 months

Sunday 20th May 2018
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Hello

I am the seller of this car so perhaps I can provide some reassurance on some of the questions raised.
I bought this car at auction in 2013 for £15,518 including buyers premium. Since then I have spent around about £2.5k on four new tyres, some work on the bushes, a replacement lightbulb, a replacement control switch for the mirrors (driver's door) a service, a wheel sensor replacement.
It has had a recall item - rear track rods done by the Swindon Maserati main dealer Dick Lovett

All the recent invoices from Migliore Cars (Bromsgrove) who have looked after it for me http://www.ferrarimaserati.co.uk/ are available.

I am sorry to disappoint Mellowman "that the owner's had enough and can't afford to fix the ruinously expensive 'sticky dash' fault." but also to confirm part of his divination. I have had enough but not specifically of this car and certainly not because of the sticky dash issue. I am in the process of disposing of all three cars in my modest collection of this car, a 2001 Jaguar XKR with 44k on the clock and an older classic because I have sated my desire to collect cars. The oldest car is likely to be the hardest to prise from my ancient arthritic fingers. The basic problem I have is storage space and paying even a modest amount to store the Maserati (and the other cars) only makes investment sense if they are appreciating (Maserati No - XKR yes, older classic -somewhat) and you are prepared to keep them for, in the case of the Maserati for 10 years I'd guess. I'm not - in 10 years I'll be nearly 80.
Otherwise you need to use them. That I could do, at least sequentially, but as a retired pensioner, having a Quatroporte as your run around in Oxford where I moved soon after I purchased the car is, as anyone who has driven in Oxford lately will know, not the kind of job this car was built for.
As to the sticky dash problem - I guess it might be ruinously expensive to fix if you go to a specialist and ask them to disassemble every dash component suffering from being a bit sticky and re-coating it. I know from the US lists that there are specialists that will do that. But I also know that there are DIY solutions - the most acceptable one I found was a cotton bud, and a drop of Ecover washing up liquid, judiciously if tediously applied (your mileage may vary). I have done some of the items but not all.
I had this car on Autotrader at £11k in the autumn (not the best timing), and on Pistonheads and Classic Cars for Sale, initially at £9.5k, and now for a basement bargain £7.5k. If it doesn't sell at that its getting a £1k Dinitrol treatment and going back in the barn for 20years. https://www.dinitroldirect.com/. whereupon my much younger wife will make a small fortune when she executes my estate.
Hope this helps.


barolo

3 posts

117 months

Sunday 20th May 2018
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The service history of the car is as follows in answer to mellow man:
In chronological order there are service stamps from.
Graypaul Nottingham at 6k miles
HR Owen Sports Cars at 18.5k miles
HR Owen Sports Cars at 31k miles
Stratstone at 43.5k miles
Stratstone at 59.5k miles
Graypaul at 66k miles
Hollingworth Independent Maserati at 68k miles
SGM sports cars at 74k miles
SGM sports cars at 80k miles
Migliore at 85k miles (after I purchased it I got it serviced just in case)

Kosy

99 posts

162 months

Sunday 20th May 2018
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Good luck with the sale Barolo. Looks a lovely car for somebody who can afford to buy and run it care free.

There's a light blue 54 plate near me which always turns my head as it rumbles past. Effortlessly cool choice of car.

jakesmith

9,461 posts

172 months

Sunday 20th May 2018
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rxe said:
A quick glance suggests there is a very large Maserati tax applied to pretty much everything. Take those brakes. Genuine Brembo 330mm discs for an Alfa GTA - £130, came with genuine Brembo pads last time I bought a set. As far as a quick search tells me, these Masers also have 330s at the front, but these ones are special - £400 quid for the disks and another £189 for the pads - even on eBay.

Specific Maserati parts such as suspension arms, are not available “OE” and are about treble the price of the comparable genuine parts on a GTA, despite fundamentally being the same thing.

These are cheap because you can buy one like this, and easily spend the purchase price again on a few brake parts and suspension fixing, even if you’re doing the work yourself.
Your last point is exagerated somewhat no?
Looking at the GT (different car but must be similar), complete front suspension wishbones with all the new bushings both sides are £1700 including VAT and delivery. Discs and pads all round are about £900. These are common bits that need doing. If you can do that work yourself you've refreshed the car significantly for £2.6k which is nowhere near the purchase price. Not saying it's cheap. My 11 year old GT has had £11k spent on it so far, about the same amount as my 14 year old 987 Boxster S.

MadDog1962

892 posts

163 months

Sunday 20th May 2018
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Too many negatives on these:

Probably too complicated for DIY when anything big goes wrong (I'm thinking of that robotised manual gearbox!)
Likely to be extremely expensive to insure
Ruinously expensive spare parts
Thirst for fuel
Not exactly chuckable on British back roads
In most of the UK it'll be hard to find "specialist" mechanics to support servicing away from a main dealer (unlike a BMW, Jag or Benz)
It's probably too long for your garage

There's a reason these are getting cheap. They're mostly basically one major mechanical failure from the scrapyard. If I wanted a luxury barge an S-Class Benz or a Jag XJ looks like a much better bet. On the other hand you might be seduced by the aesthetics and driving experience.

Sooner or later we'll see one on shed of the week. laugh

Contigo

3,115 posts

210 months

Monday 21st May 2018
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P5BNij said:
You're right of course Con, life is way to short to faff about round the edges and with that in mind I'm going in a slightly different direction, I'm on the verge of getting something older from the same / similar exotic stable - long story short, lost my Dad very suddenly last year, life's too short, I'm the wrong side of fifty to hang about much longer, blah blah blah, need something special in my life besides the Mrs, etc, etc.

I think it was Andy who took me for a spin at Brunty - dark blue / tan QPV, what a machine... whatever happens viz above, it's not beyond the realms that a decent QPV could replace my daily Alfa, we'll see..!


Edited by P5BNij on Sunday 20th May 20:30
Yep that was Drew's QP Executive. A real peach and Andy K is a good driver.


Contigo

3,115 posts

210 months

Monday 21st May 2018
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MadDog1962 said:
Too many negatives on these:

Probably too complicated for DIY when anything big goes wrong (I'm thinking of that robotised manual gearbox!)
Likely to be extremely expensive to insure
Ruinously expensive spare parts
Thirst for fuel
Not exactly chuckable on British back roads
In most of the UK it'll be hard to find "specialist" mechanics to support servicing away from a main dealer (unlike a BMW, Jag or Benz)
It's probably too long for your garage

There's a reason these are getting cheap. They're mostly basically one major mechanical failure from the scrapyard. If I wanted a luxury barge an S-Class Benz or a Jag XJ looks like a much better bet. On the other hand you might be seduced by the aesthetics and driving experience.

Sooner or later we'll see one on shed of the week. laugh
And that is all bks

Cheap insurance and as they near classic status they will get even cheaper. Many are insured on limited mileage policies.
Any V8 has a thirst for fuel! Nowhere near as bad a V10 M5/6
Many spare parts are shared with Alfa etc....
Keep it outside under a cover if it's a problem/carcoon.
Many many specialists all over the country (Giallo, Autoshied, AV engineering, Emblem, Autofficina, PK supercars)
Thansk for 50:50 weight distribution they are very chucakble.

I love the internet for painting a picture of fakery.

Yeah you go ahead and blend in with all the other Sheeple and buy a bland Eurobox S class or suchlike and we will stick with our Pininfarina styled super saloons with a Ferrari derived V8 lump up front and a F1 style gearbox.




Luca Brasi

885 posts

175 months

Monday 21st May 2018
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I always longed after a late one of these, with a 4.7 and zf autobox, are they better reliabilitywise?

Contigo

3,115 posts

210 months

Monday 21st May 2018
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Luca Brasi said:
I always longed after a late one of these, with a 4.7 and zf autobox, are they better reliabilitywise?
Yes the later cars are a better proposition for sure. Also no clutch costs to worry about . Get one from a specialist like Dicky Grace and you won't go far wrong.


Usget

5,426 posts

212 months

Monday 21st May 2018
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barolo said:
Hello

I am the seller of this car so perhaps I can provide some reassurance on some of the questions raised.
I bought this car at auction in 2013 for £15,518 including buyers premium. Since then I have spent around about £2.5k on four new tyres, some work on the bushes, a replacement lightbulb, a replacement control switch for the mirrors (driver's door) a service, a wheel sensor replacement.
It has had a recall item - rear track rods done by the Swindon Maserati main dealer Dick Lovett

All the recent invoices from Migliore Cars (Bromsgrove) who have looked after it for me http://www.ferrarimaserati.co.uk/ are available.

I am sorry to disappoint Mellowman "that the owner's had enough and can't afford to fix the ruinously expensive 'sticky dash' fault." but also to confirm part of his divination. I have had enough but not specifically of this car and certainly not because of the sticky dash issue. I am in the process of disposing of all three cars in my modest collection of this car, a 2001 Jaguar XKR with 44k on the clock and an older classic because I have sated my desire to collect cars. The oldest car is likely to be the hardest to prise from my ancient arthritic fingers. The basic problem I have is storage space and paying even a modest amount to store the Maserati (and the other cars) only makes investment sense if they are appreciating (Maserati No - XKR yes, older classic -somewhat) and you are prepared to keep them for, in the case of the Maserati for 10 years I'd guess. I'm not - in 10 years I'll be nearly 80.
Otherwise you need to use them. That I could do, at least sequentially, but as a retired pensioner, having a Quatroporte as your run around in Oxford where I moved soon after I purchased the car is, as anyone who has driven in Oxford lately will know, not the kind of job this car was built for.
As to the sticky dash problem - I guess it might be ruinously expensive to fix if you go to a specialist and ask them to disassemble every dash component suffering from being a bit sticky and re-coating it. I know from the US lists that there are specialists that will do that. But I also know that there are DIY solutions - the most acceptable one I found was a cotton bud, and a drop of Ecover washing up liquid, judiciously if tediously applied (your mileage may vary). I have done some of the items but not all.
I had this car on Autotrader at £11k in the autumn (not the best timing), and on Pistonheads and Classic Cars for Sale, initially at £9.5k, and now for a basement bargain £7.5k. If it doesn't sell at that its getting a £1k Dinitrol treatment and going back in the barn for 20years. https://www.dinitroldirect.com/. whereupon my much younger wife will make a small fortune when she executes my estate.
Hope this helps.
Great post and sounds like it's been well looked after... I hope it goes to someone who will enjoy it.

DevonPaul

1,209 posts

138 months

Monday 21st May 2018
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Contigo said:
Factor £3k a year, some years it won't be a third of that, some years might be worse. As long as you check the big ticket items prior to purchase (PPI or a mate who knows the cars well) then you can mitigate those risks.
Cost of ownership is what counts... I always figured on £2500/year for the GS and it has been well under that (excluding fuel) for the last 5 years, although with clutch and brakes coming up that will change.

If you have the initial outlay, then these things can be run for the same costs as leasing a Golf, and depreciation will be pretty low.

Paul

iwantcheese5

76 posts

128 months

Monday 21st May 2018
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I really don't get what all the fuss is about, that front end is pretty horrendous. It looks like a sad fish.

M666 EVO

1,124 posts

163 months

Monday 21st May 2018
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barolo said:
Hello

I am the seller of this car so perhaps I can provide some reassurance on some of the questions raised.
I bought this car at auction in 2013 for £15,518 including buyers premium. Since then I have spent around about £2.5k on four new tyres, some work on the bushes, a replacement lightbulb, a replacement control switch for the mirrors (driver's door) a service, a wheel sensor replacement.
It has had a recall item - rear track rods done by the Swindon Maserati main dealer Dick Lovett

All the recent invoices from Migliore Cars (Bromsgrove) who have looked after it for me http://www.ferrarimaserati.co.uk/ are available.

I am sorry to disappoint Mellowman "that the owner's had enough and can't afford to fix the ruinously expensive 'sticky dash' fault." but also to confirm part of his divination. I have had enough but not specifically of this car and certainly not because of the sticky dash issue. I am in the process of disposing of all three cars in my modest collection of this car, a 2001 Jaguar XKR with 44k on the clock and an older classic because I have sated my desire to collect cars. The oldest car is likely to be the hardest to prise from my ancient arthritic fingers. The basic problem I have is storage space and paying even a modest amount to store the Maserati (and the other cars) only makes investment sense if they are appreciating (Maserati No - XKR yes, older classic -somewhat) and you are prepared to keep them for, in the case of the Maserati for 10 years I'd guess. I'm not - in 10 years I'll be nearly 80.
Otherwise you need to use them. That I could do, at least sequentially, but as a retired pensioner, having a Quatroporte as your run around in Oxford where I moved soon after I purchased the car is, as anyone who has driven in Oxford lately will know, not the kind of job this car was built for.
As to the sticky dash problem - I guess it might be ruinously expensive to fix if you go to a specialist and ask them to disassemble every dash component suffering from being a bit sticky and re-coating it. I know from the US lists that there are specialists that will do that. But I also know that there are DIY solutions - the most acceptable one I found was a cotton bud, and a drop of Ecover washing up liquid, judiciously if tediously applied (your mileage may vary). I have done some of the items but not all.
I had this car on Autotrader at £11k in the autumn (not the best timing), and on Pistonheads and Classic Cars for Sale, initially at £9.5k, and now for a basement bargain £7.5k. If it doesn't sell at that its getting a £1k Dinitrol treatment and going back in the barn for 20years. https://www.dinitroldirect.com/. whereupon my much younger wife will make a small fortune when she executes my estate.
Hope this helps.
You sir, are a cad and a bounder. I like your style. Much younger wife! Brilliant.



V6Alfisti

3,305 posts

228 months

Monday 21st May 2018
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Always had a soft spot for these, I think its biggest problem is the mileage and that the clutch hasn't been done recently as you should really replace a whole host of parts whilst you are in there replacing the clutch/bearing. That then takes it within not that far of the typical £12k ish range of cars with lower mileage and newish clutches. Having said that on the face of it, what a deal.

When I bought my last Maserati they had literally just spent £6k on it including a clutch, and I had a pretty easy time with it in my possession, just a new F1 pump and relay but maserati did want £160 for a 3cm piece of bent rubber for the F1 pump reservoir !.

It's anything uniquely Maserati that is the killer on these like the bushes, the clutches (which can't be changed by anyone, as you need to reset the points using a maserati system if not the clutch will eat itself). It's often better to buy one of these when it's had more problems in recent past ownership, as it means you won't have to replace those bits.

Despite all of that, I am sorely tempted and it can sit next to my current car that lives outside the flat in central london doing 1k per year !