RE: Hyundai i30 N Performance gets 320hp

[J4CKO]

hondansx said:

So it's the same as with the old Golf R and S3 then, the newer cars also have a stronger engine than the Golf GTI?

Not sure why people are talking about ABT, don't they do tuning boxes rather than maps? i.e. utter crap.

Tuning boxes are fine, have had both and both have done what is expected, a remap is a neater solution but you can get poor remaps and good tuning boxes and vice versa.

[anonymous-user]

RB Will said:

Standard gearbox and driveshafts coping perfectly well even in my old car and that is running approx. 230bhp / 200lf ft more than they were "designed" to cope with. Clutch is upgraded though. I only managed to break a driveshaft doing repeated full boost launch control starts on a prepped drag strip. in hard road and trackday use they have been fine. On something fwd that can spin up the wheels it would be even less stress on them.

er, so you upgraded the clutch and it DOES break driveshafts, but other than that, it's completely fine with the extra 200lbft? ;-)

(And no, just because a fwd might spin its wheels does not mean zero additional loading (wheel spin, and tyres slip/gripping and snatching breaks things, and of course, if there really was zero additional stress on the drivetrain, that would mean there must be zero additional tractive effort available, which means zero extra performance, which kind makes the re-map rather pointless........)

[anonymous-user]

AJB88 said:

AER said:

Maybe they're surviving OK because it isn't really 500hp...?

Far too many of them tested on different rollers not to be.

ah yes, conclusive proof right there............. ;-)

[AJB88]

Max_Torque said:

ah yes, conclusive proof right there............. ;-)

when you've got about 5 well known tuners in the uk selling turbo packages, and the cars then measure at 500+ on the in house dynos. You can always be a bit skeptical.

But when they go to other rolling roads that aren't connected to the tuning company at all and also make 500+ on them surely it is.

or are you one of these people who never believes anything at all.

flat earther by any chance?

[Dblue]

eftiem64 said:

I agree re performance. I have an 2017 M140i with has more power and significantly more torque and you honestly can’t reach anything like the full performance/limits on the road. That said, 3ltr 6 cyl turbo beats all competition - it just is the best drive train without a shadow of doubt. We will all mourn its passing. What a drive!

"What a drive!"

Find me a single test in the last 2 years that rates the BMW as a better drivers car than the best in the class. It is consistently outclassed AS A DRIVERS CAR by the best from Renault, Honda and even VW. And the standard i30N is rated above it in everything I've seen comparing them too.

The engine of any performance car is very important, I get the point but its nothing like as well sorted as a Type R or a RS Megane, you really need to spend some time on some decent roads to see just where the bar is actually set and why exactly the BMW falls short by comparison.

And that's without throwing track times into the equation. Not all about power and torque you see.

[fido]

AJB88 said:

or are you one of these people who never believes anything at all.

I don’t think anyone is skeptical that a 3rd gen iron closed-deck EA888 will make 500 horses without blowing up but again no warranty, DSG fails or some other issue and you probably don’t here about it .. same with this mod on what maybe a weaker engine .. unless they’ve tested it to manufacturer standards you don’t really know.

[Onehp]

Problem with this car is that it makes the torque of a 500hp Golf with a flat torque curve. But at 320hp the fun ends at 4000rpm or maybe 4500rpm when that torque will make peak power, instead of pulling all the way to 7000rpm. So the disadvantages of high torque/boost on basically all drivetrain components, but no power beyond diesel rpms...

[BenRichards89]

The article doesn't appear to make it clear (and for anyone else who isn't already aware) but the power gain is achieved with a plug in box which can be "app controlled", as opposed to a proper remap.

Yours in the UK for £599 apparently...

https://www.racechip.co.uk/shop/hyundai/i30-pd-fro...

[Onehp]

Simply fooling the ecu that the turbo is boosting 0,5bar too little? Or is there more to this boxes? At least one should be able to dial down the silly torque increase...

[SAS Tom]

After driving one at the weekend on their experience day I don’t think it needs more power. It struggled enough with the current power on corner exit.

[eftiem64]

Dblue said:

eftiem64 said:

I agree re performance. I have an 2017 M140i with has more power and significantly more torque and you honestly can’t reach anything like the full performance/limits on the road. That said, 3ltr 6 cyl turbo beats all competition - it just is the best drive train without a shadow of doubt. We will all mourn its passing. What a drive!

"What a drive!"

Find me a single test in the last 2 years that rates the BMW as a better drivers car than the best in the class. It is consistently outclassed AS A DRIVERS CAR by the best from Renault, Honda and even VW. And the standard i30N is rated above it in everything I've seen comparing them too.

The engine of any performance car is very important, I get the point but its nothing like as well sorted as a Type R or a RS Megane, you really need to spend some time on some decent roads to see just where the bar is actually set and why exactly the BMW falls short by comparison.

And that's without throwing track times into the equation. Not all about power and torque you see.

g

I can find several. But I still tried everything and I am now on my 2nd M140i. It just is so much better than the rest. Better engine by absolutely miles. Better auto gearbox. Quicker without having to ring it’s neck. Better rear drive chassis and compared to Renault and Honda, simply light years ahead as an ownership proposition, in terms of quality, residuals and all round ability. And it doesn’t look like something my 7 year old would draw, like the the type R or RS.

Each to his own of course!

[RB Will]

Max_Torque said:

RB Will said:

Standard gearbox and driveshafts coping perfectly well even in my old car and that is running approx. 230bhp / 200lf ft more than they were "designed" to cope with. Clutch is upgraded though. I only managed to break a driveshaft doing repeated full boost launch control starts on a prepped drag strip. in hard road and trackday use they have been fine. On something fwd that can spin up the wheels it would be even less stress on them.

er, so you upgraded the clutch and it DOES break driveshafts, but other than that, it's completely fine with the extra 200lbft? ;-)

Considering a standard impreza will break all sorts of drivetrain components with single or repeated hard launches I would say busting one 18 year old driveshaft whilst throwing everything at it in pretty much the worst way possible isn’t too bad.
As I said in general driving and track work, so still high stress full load applications it has all been coping fine for thousands of miles.
If I had not have upgraded the clutch it may not have broken a driveshaft lol

[Limpet]

eftiem64 said:

I can find several. But I still tried everything and I am now on my 2nd M140i. It just is so much better than the rest. Better engine by absolutely miles. Better auto gearbox. Quicker without having to ring it’s neck. Better rear drive chassis and compared to Renault and Honda, simply light years ahead as an ownership proposition, in terms of quality, residuals and all round ability. And it doesn’t look like something my 7 year old would draw, like the the type R or RS.

Each to his own of course!

The engine in the M140i is way nicer than any of the four pot competition IMHO, but I personally found the i30 N to be a better car to drive hard. It has more steering feel, better damping, better brakes, a brilliant diff, and feels in its element when pushed hard. The BMW gets ragged in my experience, and it doesn't take much in the way of enthusiastic driving on poor surfaces to get the dampers in a bit of a pickle. It's a fun car, and a fantastic daily driver, but it isn't the ultimate hot hatch by a long way.

For 15k a year across all types of road, I wouldn't rather be in anything else. But for a B-road thrash, I'd rather be in an i30 N. Can't comment on the Civic as I haven't driven it, although personally, I still think it looks absolutely ridiculous.

[Dblue]

eftiem64 said:

I can find several. But I still tried everything and I am now on my 2nd M140i. It just is so much better than the rest. Better engine by absolutely miles. Better auto gearbox. Quicker without having to ring it’s neck. Better rear drive chassis and compared to Renault and Honda, simply light years ahead as an ownership proposition, in terms of quality, residuals and all round ability. And it doesn’t look like something my 7 year old would draw, like the the type R or RS.

Each to his own of course!

Its strengths are clearly what you value most highly, which is absolutely fair enough. But its absolutely not the best chassis in this class, in fact its a distance short of the best and I could cite about a dozen comparisons confirming that without trying. At 8 tenths I suspect its excellent and that's fine but as a drivers car it all falls apart a bit as you up the ante.
Its also some way short of being the superior all rounder than say the Civic for example which has much more space, a better ride and much more kit as standard.
True the Civic doesn't have a smooth auto box but I reckon the best manual gearchange you can buy is a fair exchange.