Banging wheels
Discussion
dieseluser07 said:
I hate this, and yes i know i can control it by being gentle on the throttle but sometimes i dont expect it.
Fwd car, 240bhp going through the front wheels.
If the roads arent dry, the wheels have a tendancy to spin which doesent bother me at all, but i hate when they bang as they try to gain traction. Horrible noise/feeling, is there anything to limit it? It almost feels like the car comes off the ground and bangs back down, i know it doesent but thats the feeling.
Like i say the wheels spinning and eventually gripping traction doesent bother me as its not done often its usually unexpected, but the wheels banging is awful.
Also what kind of damage could it do to the car hypothetically.
I had this when I remapped my old Focus ST, cured it by fitting an uprated gearbox torque mount. If it's not sorted you can damage the driveshafts.Fwd car, 240bhp going through the front wheels.
If the roads arent dry, the wheels have a tendancy to spin which doesent bother me at all, but i hate when they bang as they try to gain traction. Horrible noise/feeling, is there anything to limit it? It almost feels like the car comes off the ground and bangs back down, i know it doesent but thats the feeling.
Like i say the wheels spinning and eventually gripping traction doesent bother me as its not done often its usually unexpected, but the wheels banging is awful.
Also what kind of damage could it do to the car hypothetically.
dieseluser07 said:
People who fit lowering springs to this car never change the dampers or shocks, theres tons of the cars out there with just the springs changed.
I'm sure plenty of people do this.But if the springs are both shorter AND stiffer it's going to be harder for the dampers to do their job.
Basic physics.
AC43 said:
dieseluser07 said:
People who fit lowering springs to this car never change the dampers or shocks, theres tons of the cars out there with just the springs changed.
I'm sure plenty of people do this.But if the springs are both shorter AND stiffer it's going to be harder for the dampers to do their job.
Basic physics.
I think it is a characteristic of harder suspension in FWD cars.
Can get it to happen in a DS3 HDi D Stytle+ with rock hard suspension with a whopping 90ps, sounds horrid.
Latest model Astra was also a pig for doing it when I had a SRI model briefly.
Current squashy suspension Mondeo does not do it nor did my Stepway with its stilts.
Can get it to happen in a DS3 HDi D Stytle+ with rock hard suspension with a whopping 90ps, sounds horrid.
Latest model Astra was also a pig for doing it when I had a SRI model briefly.
Current squashy suspension Mondeo does not do it nor did my Stepway with its stilts.
The main reason it does it is down to the wheel breaking traction slightly, starting to spin and releasing some inertia built up as a vertical movement, rather than horizontal, causing it to hop and smack up and down slightly.
I've got a Civic Type R, which had 205 tyres on the front. Upgraded to 225 semi slicks, and fitted an LSD and it's still doing it. Short of putting half tonne weights on each wheel, there's not much. It's a limitation of the driveline.
I've got a Civic Type R, which had 205 tyres on the front. Upgraded to 225 semi slicks, and fitted an LSD and it's still doing it. Short of putting half tonne weights on each wheel, there's not much. It's a limitation of the driveline.
Ultrafunkula said:
dieseluser07 said:
I hate this, and yes i know i can control it by being gentle on the throttle but sometimes i dont expect it.
Fwd car, 240bhp going through the front wheels.
If the roads arent dry, the wheels have a tendancy to spin which doesent bother me at all, but i hate when they bang as they try to gain traction. Horrible noise/feeling, is there anything to limit it? It almost feels like the car comes off the ground and bangs back down, i know it doesent but thats the feeling.
Like i say the wheels spinning and eventually gripping traction doesent bother me as its not done often its usually unexpected, but the wheels banging is awful.
Also what kind of damage could it do to the car hypothetically.
I had this when I remapped my old Focus ST, cured it by fitting an uprated gearbox torque mount. If it's not sorted you can damage the driveshafts.Fwd car, 240bhp going through the front wheels.
If the roads arent dry, the wheels have a tendancy to spin which doesent bother me at all, but i hate when they bang as they try to gain traction. Horrible noise/feeling, is there anything to limit it? It almost feels like the car comes off the ground and bangs back down, i know it doesent but thats the feeling.
Like i say the wheels spinning and eventually gripping traction doesent bother me as its not done often its usually unexpected, but the wheels banging is awful.
Also what kind of damage could it do to the car hypothetically.
Lol at all the insults from some people, i havent said anything offensive ive asked for some advice and some people feel the need to insult to boost their own ego, quite pathetic really for a forum full of supposedly 'adults'.
dieseluser07 said:
Ultrafunkula said:
dieseluser07 said:
I hate this, and yes i know i can control it by being gentle on the throttle but sometimes i dont expect it.
Fwd car, 240bhp going through the front wheels.
If the roads arent dry, the wheels have a tendancy to spin which doesent bother me at all, but i hate when they bang as they try to gain traction. Horrible noise/feeling, is there anything to limit it? It almost feels like the car comes off the ground and bangs back down, i know it doesent but thats the feeling.
Like i say the wheels spinning and eventually gripping traction doesent bother me as its not done often its usually unexpected, but the wheels banging is awful.
Also what kind of damage could it do to the car hypothetically.
I had this when I remapped my old Focus ST, cured it by fitting an uprated gearbox torque mount. If it's not sorted you can damage the driveshafts.Fwd car, 240bhp going through the front wheels.
If the roads arent dry, the wheels have a tendancy to spin which doesent bother me at all, but i hate when they bang as they try to gain traction. Horrible noise/feeling, is there anything to limit it? It almost feels like the car comes off the ground and bangs back down, i know it doesent but thats the feeling.
Like i say the wheels spinning and eventually gripping traction doesent bother me as its not done often its usually unexpected, but the wheels banging is awful.
Also what kind of damage could it do to the car hypothetically.
Lol at all the insults from some people, i havent said anything offensive ive asked for some advice and some people feel the need to insult to boost their own ego, quite pathetic really for a forum full of supposedly 'adults'.
loskie said:
Right little lady: put your handbag away, throttle control is where it's at. Or are you having to much fun in the retail car park?
Throttle control doesn't fix the issue it just avoids it.My car hops sometimes, but only at 5k+ rpm during a WOT pull in 1st. It's fine up to 5k, and if I ease off slightly it won't do it at all.
Strudul said:
loskie said:
Right little lady: put your handbag away, throttle control is where it's at. Or are you having to much fun in the retail car park?
Throttle control doesn't fix the issue it just avoids it.My car hops sometimes, but only at 5k+ rpm during a WOT pull in 1st. It's fine up to 5k, and if I ease off slightly it won't do it at all.
I've managed to get a bit of noisy axle tramp with 100PS / No torques; To add to the chorus: It's throttle control. You're breaking traction, yadda yadda - I'll usually find it occurring if I launch like a numpty, or most commonly, when swiftly departing rural junctions that have been generously dusted with dirt / gravel etc.
Haltamer said:
I've managed to get a bit of noisy axle tramp with 100PS / No torques; To add to the chorus: It's throttle control. You're breaking traction, yadda yadda - I'll usually find it occurring if I launch like a numpty, or most commonly, when swiftly departing rural junctions that have been generously dusted with dirt / gravel etc.
My wife's ancient Clio does it like a good 'un in the wet with all of 110bhp.If it had the Ohlins or whatever they were the Cup had then I'm sure it wouldn't.
But it's got cheapo factory-spec replacements and they are s
t.I'd have happily paid a bit more to get something better but could only find OEM-spec ones at the time.
My Merc has knocking on for 200bhp per wheel and will easily spin up both rears in the wet but has electric dampers (and air suspension) and refuses to tramp.
But then again the suspension parts are about £1k a corner on the Merc and about £50 a corner on the Clio.
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