RE: Audi TT RS gets mid-life facelift for 2019
Discussion
Terminator X said:
Maldini35 said:
Agree with comments about the styling.
I ran one of these for three months a couple of years ago and as a commuter car it was very impressive.
Engine is epic but as has been said many times before, the steering and chassis didn’t excite.
The corners were to be endured rather than savoured. It was all about booting it as the road straightened to feel the shove and the roar of the 5 pot. Still fun but i was left feeling ‘what if’ the chassis was more communicative.
Hugely capable car though and so, so fast.
Felt invincible in the wet.
Would be an interesting to pick one up in a few years - remove the tacky spoiler, throw on some smaller, less gaudy alloys and give it to a reputable tuner to try and inject some life into the chassis/suspension.
Or just buy a Cayman I suppose...
You and others must be Driving Gods as I had a RS3 for 2.5 years and it drove fine (TTRS should be "better"), in fact excellent tbf imho.I ran one of these for three months a couple of years ago and as a commuter car it was very impressive.
Engine is epic but as has been said many times before, the steering and chassis didn’t excite.
The corners were to be endured rather than savoured. It was all about booting it as the road straightened to feel the shove and the roar of the 5 pot. Still fun but i was left feeling ‘what if’ the chassis was more communicative.
Hugely capable car though and so, so fast.
Felt invincible in the wet.
Would be an interesting to pick one up in a few years - remove the tacky spoiler, throw on some smaller, less gaudy alloys and give it to a reputable tuner to try and inject some life into the chassis/suspension.
Or just buy a Cayman I suppose...
TX.
I've driven RS3 and TTRS and to the normal driver with normal abilities like myself (on public roads), and appreciate a bit of safety thrown in to compensate for my non stig like capabilities, these cars are extremely quick.
I'm not superhuman enough whilst driving fast to know exactly how much vectoring the power distribution between front and back, left to right, whilst adjusting the throttle to promote lift off oversteer whilst registering the amount of steering feedback to keep me out of a hedge. On the open road 99% of the time that's just all b
ks imho.How many see tracks and how often is it appropriate to be driving like that on roads that contain other nutters with mediocre driving abilities also. Not to mention the levels of traffic.
dino_jr said:
Is the TT canned after this model then?
Read some websites that think Audi will bin the TT after next year, due to declining sales (in favour of more SUV's probably.)
I've had information from someone that works for Audi that it will only be the TT/R8 and A5 Coupe that will remain in the future with a 2 door body. TT will remain in production, there will be a new model because it does sell well. 4 door TT concept is being canceled though.Read some websites that think Audi will bin the TT after next year, due to declining sales (in favour of more SUV's probably.)
Both Audi & VW are phasing out all regualr models (A3 / Golf / Polo etc ) that currently come in a 2 door platform apart from the above.
P.J. said:
Just purchased an 18 plate with only a few miles on it. The price was too good to wait for this very mild update. These cars seem to get a right hammering on forums from people who re quote some magazine review. I have always enjoyed my cars. I sold a Porsche Boxster 3.4 to get this. For 5 months of the year I had lost confidence in the Boxster. It had just caught me out unawares a few times. The rest of the year it was great. Maybe its my age. Maybe I am not as good a driver as I thought. But the TT RS is amazing. My first auto and I am a convert so quickly. It's more intelligent than a 50+ gin head. And when yo put your foot down it really goes. Grip is great in all weathers which is what I want from this car. Go fast all year long with no drama and it does exactly what I payed my money forwith a gorgeous interior.
This is why these sell so well. That's what the bulk of the £50k plus car buyers look forNors said:
Terminator X said:
Maldini35 said:
Agree with comments about the styling.
I ran one of these for three months a couple of years ago and as a commuter car it was very impressive.
Engine is epic but as has been said many times before, the steering and chassis didn’t excite.
The corners were to be endured rather than savoured. It was all about booting it as the road straightened to feel the shove and the roar of the 5 pot. Still fun but i was left feeling ‘what if’ the chassis was more communicative.
Hugely capable car though and so, so fast.
Felt invincible in the wet.
Would be an interesting to pick one up in a few years - remove the tacky spoiler, throw on some smaller, less gaudy alloys and give it to a reputable tuner to try and inject some life into the chassis/suspension.
Or just buy a Cayman I suppose...
You and others must be Driving Gods as I had a RS3 for 2.5 years and it drove fine (TTRS should be "better"), in fact excellent tbf imho.I ran one of these for three months a couple of years ago and as a commuter car it was very impressive.
Engine is epic but as has been said many times before, the steering and chassis didn’t excite.
The corners were to be endured rather than savoured. It was all about booting it as the road straightened to feel the shove and the roar of the 5 pot. Still fun but i was left feeling ‘what if’ the chassis was more communicative.
Hugely capable car though and so, so fast.
Felt invincible in the wet.
Would be an interesting to pick one up in a few years - remove the tacky spoiler, throw on some smaller, less gaudy alloys and give it to a reputable tuner to try and inject some life into the chassis/suspension.
Or just buy a Cayman I suppose...
TX.
I've driven RS3 and TTRS and to the normal driver with normal abilities like myself (on public roads), and appreciate a bit of safety thrown in to compensate for my non stig like capabilities, these cars are extremely quick.
I'm not superhuman enough whilst driving fast to know exactly how much vectoring the power distribution between front and back, left to right, whilst adjusting the throttle to promote lift off oversteer whilst registering the amount of steering feedback to keep me out of a hedge. On the open road 99% of the time that's just all b
ks imho.How many see tracks and how often is it appropriate to be driving like that on roads that contain other nutters with mediocre driving abilities also. Not to mention the levels of traffic.
I refer you to my last post.
Maldini35 said:
Wrong end of the stick sir.
I refer you to my last post.
Not intended as a comment directed at you personally sir (or any individual). Your quote just happened to be part of the discussion.I refer you to my last post.
There are lots of people who just ramble about certain cars like sheep without ever actually driving one or living with one, but will 'jump on the bandwagon' because they read it somewhere.
Everyone can comment about looks, because that's personal to what the individual likes or doesn't, but it just makes me laugh a bit when you see comments about how crap a car is because it's what they've read (not experienced directly) or because it fits with some stereotype that's not to their liking. Self opinionated hypocrites spring to mind.
Sorry, long post alert.
But I have real experiences to share, owned a Mk3 TTRS for a year.
It had it's issues which made me sell it (mostly the idiotic/arrogant dealers), but some positives for now.
After 3 Porsche cars, and not liking the sounds of the new 718, I went for the TTRS after a test drive which involved a tunnel.
For anyone who hasn't actually heard one of these 5 cylinders on power then you wont know how exotic/angry these cars sound.
The car made me feel young again, searching for tunnels, even just driving normally between buildings the car would turn heads.
The sound alone would make people buy this car, if that's what you're into.
It's quick, of course it is, but plenty of quick cars out there.
It's the ease if driving it that makes it so good, and the way it puts the power down without fuss.
If I wanted more purity then I'd go for another Cayman, or a VX220 (owned three) or if really treating myself a Lotus Exige.
Back to putting the power down, two examples of why I rate these cars so highly.
An uneven bit of road near to me, at full throttle every other car I've owned struggled with traction, pretty much all cars cutting power, traction control stepping in, a bit of involvement in which some would say they enjoyed, or added to the fun.
But the TTRS, relentless acceleration, no fuss, felt too clever to be true.
Turning right out of a junction on a wet road, grip with no fuss, you'd imagine it wasn't possible with 400hp.
For some that just wouldn't be any fun, I get that.
My second experience comes from fast driving on public roads, Police traffic cars, trying to get somewhere quickly, as safely as possible.
Driving the TTRS I always thought, "If only we'd had one of these back in the day"
I can see why the criminals favour these cars for their getaway vehicle.
My friend now has a Golf R, similarly brilliant everyday car.
Haven't put the negatives, if anyone wants to know feel free to ask, but mostly down to the dealers not willing to address the negatives.
But I have real experiences to share, owned a Mk3 TTRS for a year.
It had it's issues which made me sell it (mostly the idiotic/arrogant dealers), but some positives for now.
After 3 Porsche cars, and not liking the sounds of the new 718, I went for the TTRS after a test drive which involved a tunnel.
For anyone who hasn't actually heard one of these 5 cylinders on power then you wont know how exotic/angry these cars sound.
The car made me feel young again, searching for tunnels, even just driving normally between buildings the car would turn heads.
The sound alone would make people buy this car, if that's what you're into.
It's quick, of course it is, but plenty of quick cars out there.
It's the ease if driving it that makes it so good, and the way it puts the power down without fuss.
If I wanted more purity then I'd go for another Cayman, or a VX220 (owned three) or if really treating myself a Lotus Exige.
Back to putting the power down, two examples of why I rate these cars so highly.
An uneven bit of road near to me, at full throttle every other car I've owned struggled with traction, pretty much all cars cutting power, traction control stepping in, a bit of involvement in which some would say they enjoyed, or added to the fun.
But the TTRS, relentless acceleration, no fuss, felt too clever to be true.
Turning right out of a junction on a wet road, grip with no fuss, you'd imagine it wasn't possible with 400hp.
For some that just wouldn't be any fun, I get that.
My second experience comes from fast driving on public roads, Police traffic cars, trying to get somewhere quickly, as safely as possible.
Driving the TTRS I always thought, "If only we'd had one of these back in the day"
I can see why the criminals favour these cars for their getaway vehicle.
My friend now has a Golf R, similarly brilliant everyday car.
Haven't put the negatives, if anyone wants to know feel free to ask, but mostly down to the dealers not willing to address the negatives.
Edited by Trevor555 on Friday 8th February 13:53
Maldini35 said:
Nors said:
Terminator X said:
Maldini35 said:
Agree with comments about the styling.
I ran one of these for three months a couple of years ago and as a commuter car it was very impressive.
Engine is epic but as has been said many times before, the steering and chassis didn’t excite.
The corners were to be endured rather than savoured. It was all about booting it as the road straightened to feel the shove and the roar of the 5 pot. Still fun but i was left feeling ‘what if’ the chassis was more communicative.
Hugely capable car though and so, so fast.
Felt invincible in the wet.
Would be an interesting to pick one up in a few years - remove the tacky spoiler, throw on some smaller, less gaudy alloys and give it to a reputable tuner to try and inject some life into the chassis/suspension.
Or just buy a Cayman I suppose...
You and others must be Driving Gods as I had a RS3 for 2.5 years and it drove fine (TTRS should be "better"), in fact excellent tbf imho.I ran one of these for three months a couple of years ago and as a commuter car it was very impressive.
Engine is epic but as has been said many times before, the steering and chassis didn’t excite.
The corners were to be endured rather than savoured. It was all about booting it as the road straightened to feel the shove and the roar of the 5 pot. Still fun but i was left feeling ‘what if’ the chassis was more communicative.
Hugely capable car though and so, so fast.
Felt invincible in the wet.
Would be an interesting to pick one up in a few years - remove the tacky spoiler, throw on some smaller, less gaudy alloys and give it to a reputable tuner to try and inject some life into the chassis/suspension.
Or just buy a Cayman I suppose...
TX.
I've driven RS3 and TTRS and to the normal driver with normal abilities like myself (on public roads), and appreciate a bit of safety thrown in to compensate for my non stig like capabilities, these cars are extremely quick.
I'm not superhuman enough whilst driving fast to know exactly how much vectoring the power distribution between front and back, left to right, whilst adjusting the throttle to promote lift off oversteer whilst registering the amount of steering feedback to keep me out of a hedge. On the open road 99% of the time that's just all b
ks imho.How many see tracks and how often is it appropriate to be driving like that on roads that contain other nutters with mediocre driving abilities also. Not to mention the levels of traffic.
I refer you to my last post.
A little fussy and likely not the proverbial last word in old school, interaction-derived driver satisfaction, but I admit to being impressed by the engine on these. For a smallish FI engine it makes a wonderful range of interesting noises - some a bit artificial like so many modern cars but still probably as exotic sounding with sports exhaust as much more expensive V10s and better than most sixes imo - as well as equally vivid motive force. As a more wealthy version of current self, I am sure I could be persuaded to tolerate the missing Spanish box, steering delicacy and chassis response in a daily so long as I had access to a Cayster / Elise / Exige or something. The RS3 makes more sense unless you want a coupe though. Also moderately less challenging to look at to my eyes (slightly spec dependent I accept).
ETA: corrections for touch screen horrors.
ETA: corrections for touch screen horrors.
Edited by Diesel Meister on Friday 8th February 23:53
rick.e said:
Maldini35 said:
Nors said:
Terminator X said:
Maldini35 said:
Agree with comments about the styling.
I ran one of these for three months a couple of years ago and as a commuter car it was very impressive.
Engine is epic but as has been said many times before, the steering and chassis didn’t excite.
The corners were to be endured rather than savoured. It was all about booting it as the road straightened to feel the shove and the roar of the 5 pot. Still fun but i was left feeling ‘what if’ the chassis was more communicative.
Hugely capable car though and so, so fast.
Felt invincible in the wet.
Would be an interesting to pick one up in a few years - remove the tacky spoiler, throw on some smaller, less gaudy alloys and give it to a reputable tuner to try and inject some life into the chassis/suspension.
Or just buy a Cayman I suppose...
You and others must be Driving Gods as I had a RS3 for 2.5 years and it drove fine (TTRS should be "better"), in fact excellent tbf imho.I ran one of these for three months a couple of years ago and as a commuter car it was very impressive.
Engine is epic but as has been said many times before, the steering and chassis didn’t excite.
The corners were to be endured rather than savoured. It was all about booting it as the road straightened to feel the shove and the roar of the 5 pot. Still fun but i was left feeling ‘what if’ the chassis was more communicative.
Hugely capable car though and so, so fast.
Felt invincible in the wet.
Would be an interesting to pick one up in a few years - remove the tacky spoiler, throw on some smaller, less gaudy alloys and give it to a reputable tuner to try and inject some life into the chassis/suspension.
Or just buy a Cayman I suppose...
TX.
I've driven RS3 and TTRS and to the normal driver with normal abilities like myself (on public roads), and appreciate a bit of safety thrown in to compensate for my non stig like capabilities, these cars are extremely quick.
I'm not superhuman enough whilst driving fast to know exactly how much vectoring the power distribution between front and back, left to right, whilst adjusting the throttle to promote lift off oversteer whilst registering the amount of steering feedback to keep me out of a hedge. On the open road 99% of the time that's just all b
ks imho.How many see tracks and how often is it appropriate to be driving like that on roads that contain other nutters with mediocre driving abilities also. Not to mention the levels of traffic.
I refer you to my last post.
this...It's an interesting one, because for so many people the definition of being a driving enthusiast means you must prefer RWD, you must prefer a manual, etc.
I've done my share of powerful RWD cars and I don't really like their behaviour as they approach the limit.
I don't enjoy power oversteer, I don't enjoy catching the little slides and twitches in slippery conditions, I would certainly never hang the tail of a car out around a roundabout for fun, I find the sensation uncomfortable.
When the roads are wet and/or greasy I find powerful RWD cars can be very frustrating as I'm constantly metering out the power and trying to avoid the back wheels slipping.
I totally get that those sensations are what a lot of other people love, but they're not for me.
I'm in a Golf R at the moment. As an all round, all weather car it is superb and it's fun to drive too. In give and take conditions my E46 M3 wouldn't stand a chance against it and I'd really be enjoying driving the Golf.
Maybe the M3 driver would be having more fun that I'd be having in the Golf if they liked a bit of slip and slide, if I'd have been driving the M3 I'd have been stting my pants if I was genuinely trying to keep up 
No, the Golf isn't the last word in driver feedback but it's a hot hatch not a Caterham. The TTRS has a much nicer engine and is a useful amount lighter. I'd have one in a heartbeat.
I totally accept that my views probably put me in a minority, but it'd be a boring world if we all liked the same things. The hate chucked at the latest generation of 4WD cars baffle me a bit. They're so much better than they used to be, they're just a different choice for people who enjoy different things.
I've done my share of powerful RWD cars and I don't really like their behaviour as they approach the limit.
I don't enjoy power oversteer, I don't enjoy catching the little slides and twitches in slippery conditions, I would certainly never hang the tail of a car out around a roundabout for fun, I find the sensation uncomfortable.
When the roads are wet and/or greasy I find powerful RWD cars can be very frustrating as I'm constantly metering out the power and trying to avoid the back wheels slipping.
I totally get that those sensations are what a lot of other people love, but they're not for me.
I'm in a Golf R at the moment. As an all round, all weather car it is superb and it's fun to drive too. In give and take conditions my E46 M3 wouldn't stand a chance against it and I'd really be enjoying driving the Golf.
Maybe the M3 driver would be having more fun that I'd be having in the Golf if they liked a bit of slip and slide, if I'd have been driving the M3 I'd have been s
tting my pants if I was genuinely trying to keep up No, the Golf isn't the last word in driver feedback but it's a hot hatch not a Caterham. The TTRS has a much nicer engine and is a useful amount lighter. I'd have one in a heartbeat.
I totally accept that my views probably put me in a minority, but it'd be a boring world if we all liked the same things. The hate chucked at the latest generation of 4WD cars baffle me a bit. They're so much better than they used to be, they're just a different choice for people who enjoy different things.
charltjr said:
No, the Golf isn't the last word in driver feedback
A set of Ohlins VWS MP20 coilovers will sort that. They are a must on the Golf R because as standard, the MK7 platform has as much feel as wearing 8 condoms. No frickin clue what the front tyres are up to, which is insane for a car of that performance.HighwayStar said:
rick.e said:
Maldini35 said:
Nors said:
Terminator X said:
Maldini35 said:
Agree with comments about the styling.
I ran one of these for three months a couple of years ago and as a commuter car it was very impressive.
Engine is epic but as has been said many times before, the steering and chassis didn’t excite.
The corners were to be endured rather than savoured. It was all about booting it as the road straightened to feel the shove and the roar of the 5 pot. Still fun but i was left feeling ‘what if’ the chassis was more communicative.
Hugely capable car though and so, so fast.
Felt invincible in the wet.
Would be an interesting to pick one up in a few years - remove the tacky spoiler, throw on some smaller, less gaudy alloys and give it to a reputable tuner to try and inject some life into the chassis/suspension.
Or just buy a Cayman I suppose...
You and others must be Driving Gods as I had a RS3 for 2.5 years and it drove fine (TTRS should be "better"), in fact excellent tbf imho.I ran one of these for three months a couple of years ago and as a commuter car it was very impressive.
Engine is epic but as has been said many times before, the steering and chassis didn’t excite.
The corners were to be endured rather than savoured. It was all about booting it as the road straightened to feel the shove and the roar of the 5 pot. Still fun but i was left feeling ‘what if’ the chassis was more communicative.
Hugely capable car though and so, so fast.
Felt invincible in the wet.
Would be an interesting to pick one up in a few years - remove the tacky spoiler, throw on some smaller, less gaudy alloys and give it to a reputable tuner to try and inject some life into the chassis/suspension.
Or just buy a Cayman I suppose...
TX.
I've driven RS3 and TTRS and to the normal driver with normal abilities like myself (on public roads), and appreciate a bit of safety thrown in to compensate for my non stig like capabilities, these cars are extremely quick.
I'm not superhuman enough whilst driving fast to know exactly how much vectoring the power distribution between front and back, left to right, whilst adjusting the throttle to promote lift off oversteer whilst registering the amount of steering feedback to keep me out of a hedge. On the open road 99% of the time that's just all b
ks imho.How many see tracks and how often is it appropriate to be driving like that on roads that contain other nutters with mediocre driving abilities also. Not to mention the levels of traffic.
I refer you to my last post.
this... Twice, and indeed thrice so .... The TT is not a bad car - indeed it's a very good car for the people who enjoy it. However it is far, far from the last word in driving dynamics, delicacy, feedback, sensitivity or any one of a dozen things that matter to ... well, to people who care about such things.
Talking about speed or power or pushing things 'to the limit' or how much of a driving god someone is all miss the point. To try and press this point is to demonstrate how much you have missed it.
(It's perhaps interesting to note that the choice in the world of really good cars to drive is getting larger; the A110 and Alfa are new on the scene and reputedly excellent and both really up the competition for the Cayman. The Elise has always been brilliant and the Exige more so, although both perhaps aimed for a slightly different market. This makes the lack of progress for the TT all the more disappointing; the dynamics of the Mk3 are little ahead of those of the Mk1, if at all.)
Bravo Audi with this latest TT. I am sure that it will sell by the thousand and that makes me happy for everyone who delights to own one.
Information a bit thin on the ground, but presumably it's exactly the same engine and running gear as the rs3?. The one that Litchfield rave about?. Apparently they make more than 400ps stock, and a remap and new intercooler sees 500ps, standard everything, including exhaust and cats.
HighwayStar said:
I don't think it's getting the pasting it usually does... it's all the things you sat it is and isn't right there in your post.
The interior is stunning, the seats the tech... all wonderful. I can see why people would want one... If my neighbour was after one, I'd say go for it without hesitation. For what I look for in a car, it doesn't deliver. I'd say most buying a Cayman wouldn't consider a TT either.
Worth noting that to whom it matters Porsche has a greater brand cachet than Audi, which has a value (again to those who acknowledge that)The interior is stunning, the seats the tech... all wonderful. I can see why people would want one... If my neighbour was after one, I'd say go for it without hesitation. For what I look for in a car, it doesn't deliver. I'd say most buying a Cayman wouldn't consider a TT either.
Quite a fan of the TT, the RS must be a real beast. It is a bit of a lifeless drive, but it grips incredibly well, fly's around corners and has enough space in the back for 2 weekend bags and the dog.
The Caymen could be utter automotive driving perfection, but no matter what, it sounds like a broken VW campervan. Sad.
The Caymen could be utter automotive driving perfection, but no matter what, it sounds like a broken VW campervan. Sad.
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