RE: McLaren renews engine contract with Ricardo
Discussion
GranCab said:
McLaren still can't match Ferrari's engineering prowess.
Of course not as one started in 2011 and one started in 1947. I think its incredible for a company so long to have developed so much from pretty much scratch so quickly. Why is so many people quick to criticise McLaren. Show me another company that in the same amount of time has been able not only compete with but actually beat the longstanding competition. The Speedtail is starting to look good now a bit time has passed and I've got used to it. The P1 is my personal favorite from an aesthetic's point of view, even above the F1 (I'd have bet that this at least would have been produced before 2011 but what do I know?). I feel that the design and engineering lift the F1 to its legendary status more than its looks to be honenst.
Wammer said:
Of course not as one started in 2011 and one started in 1947. I think its incredible for a company so long to have developed so much from pretty much scratch so quickly. Why is so many people quick to criticise McLaren. Show me another company that in the same amount of time has been able not only compete with but actually beat the longstanding competition.
You don't recall the Mclaren F1 of 1995, or Mclaren Mercedes of 2001?
GranCab said:
McLaren still can't match Ferrari's engineering prowess.
ROFLMAO Ferrari STILL make cars with a METAL TUB 
WIBBLE WOBBLE JELLY BABIES 
Ferrari are so scared of McLaren, their profits and shares so down, that theyve had to make a 4x4, so have Lamborghini, stretching more designs over Audis.
What next the Ferrari La Trifle Sponge Cake
Edited by noble12345 on Wednesday 13th February 23:24
BVB said:
Wammer said:
Of course not as one started in 2011 and one started in 1947. I think its incredible for a company so long to have developed so much from pretty much scratch so quickly. Why is so many people quick to criticise McLaren. Show me another company that in the same amount of time has been able not only compete with but actually beat the longstanding competition.
You don't recall the Mclaren F1 of 1995, or Mclaren Mercedes of 2001?skidskid said:
Adrian E said:
Ricardo designed the hybrid elements of the P1 power train as well, so have form on the electrification side for that type of product
Thats not quite true. The battery and its packaging was designed elsewhere, the integration was maybe done at Ricardo. McLaren don't like to advertise it, but Ricardo engineer all of their powertrains, they don't just build them. McLaren Automotive is a young company and certainly at the start they would have had little to no know-how of designing cutting edge powertrains. Rumour goes that the base of the V8 was a never raced prototype co-developed with Ilmor, hence the F1-style valvetrain. Apparently, the engine originally had a geartrain (as a lot of racing engines do), but that was replaced with a chain drive due to the NVH issues inherent to geartrains.
Both companies can only benefit from this relationship. McLaren probably still can't design or build their own engines, and no doubt Ricardo get a fat cheque at the end of each month.
Both companies can only benefit from this relationship. McLaren probably still can't design or build their own engines, and no doubt Ricardo get a fat cheque at the end of each month.
Wammer said:
Sorry I should have said McLaren Automotive for the ill informed before then it was part of the racing division. In 2001 im pretty sure that was a Mercedes McLaren SLR sold at Mercedes dealerships.
You'd still have been wrong 
McLaren Cars "existed" from 1988 (that airport lounge conversation) Though I believe it was only trademarked as such in 89 or 90
In 2003 it was rebranded "McLaren Automotive"
Mercedes SLR McLaren was only offered at a handful of MB Dealers. And prospective buyers got a tour of McLaren to see their car being built. You could pick it up from Woking as well if so desired.
Honestly? Ricardo.
They work on Ferrari F1. And they have also been building engines since 1915, developed viscous coupling for Group B rally cars and perfected dual-clutch transmissions with the Audi Le Mans cars and Bugatti Veyron...
I think these will probably be as good as anything out of Modena.
They work on Ferrari F1. And they have also been building engines since 1915, developed viscous coupling for Group B rally cars and perfected dual-clutch transmissions with the Audi Le Mans cars and Bugatti Veyron...
I think these will probably be as good as anything out of Modena.
Wammer said:
Of course not as one started in 2011 and one started in 1947. I think its incredible for a company so long to have developed so much from pretty much scratch so quickly. Why is so many people quick to criticise McLaren. Show me another company that in the same amount of time has been able not only compete with but actually beat the longstanding competition.
Salamura said:
McLaren don't like to advertise it, but Ricardo engineer all of their powertrains, they don't just build them. McLaren Automotive is a young company and certainly at the start they would have had little to no know-how of designing cutting edge powertrains. Rumour goes that the base of the V8 was a never raced prototype co-developed with Ilmor, hence the F1-style valvetrain. Apparently, the engine originally had a geartrain (as a lot of racing engines do), but that was replaced with a chain drive due to the NVH issues inherent to geartrains.
Both companies can only benefit from this relationship. McLaren probably still can't design or build their own engines, and no doubt Ricardo get a fat cheque at the end of each month.
You are totally misinformed.Both companies can only benefit from this relationship. McLaren probably still can't design or build their own engines, and no doubt Ricardo get a fat cheque at the end of each month.
McLaren Automotive took engineering responsibility in 2013 and since then have been soley responsible for the engineering, development and testing of all engines.
Ricardo continue to be responsible for the manufacturing and quality for all components.
McLaren Automotive don't have an entire engine design team for no reason...
HJG said:
You are totally misinformed.
McLaren Automotive took engineering responsibility in 2013 and since then have been soley responsible for the engineering, development and testing of all engines.
Ricardo continue to be responsible for the manufacturing and quality for all components.
McLaren Automotive don't have an entire engine design team for no reason...
It's one thing designing an engine from scratch, it's another thing taking engineering responsibility for an existing power unit and making changes in calibration or for costdown, manufacturing, reliability etc, which is what McLaren are doing. It's unlikely that they can design an engine from scratch only using the design team they have in house without a major consultant showing them how it's done.McLaren Automotive took engineering responsibility in 2013 and since then have been soley responsible for the engineering, development and testing of all engines.
Ricardo continue to be responsible for the manufacturing and quality for all components.
McLaren Automotive don't have an entire engine design team for no reason...
jontysafe said:
GingerPixel said:
Most of this talk about them not sounding good is internet conjecture IMO. I was behind a local guy's 720 in traffic the other day and it sounded brilliant. Not outrageous, but very cool, which is pretty much Mclaren's design ethos isnt it?
Also, here's a controversial opinion (I'll wait for my P45 in the post) but I don't think any of the Fezzas posted above are particularly beautiful, F40 included. The 355 and the 550/575 haven't aged brilliantly.
I personally think the 355 has aged beautifully. Was Designed in, what 1992/1993? 25 years old......there are very few cars at 25 years of age give or take a year look that fresh.Also, here's a controversial opinion (I'll wait for my P45 in the post) but I don't think any of the Fezzas posted above are particularly beautiful, F40 included. The 355 and the 550/575 haven't aged brilliantly.
Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff