RE: Jaguar XE MY2020: Driven
Discussion
JuanGandini said:
So let me get this right... the facelift has updated the interior to the tune of new digital dash, better graphics, new gear selector and steering wheel.
You got it wrong. Centre panel has also changed and according to the article the plastic surfaces have been upgraded.NJJ said:
The interior was previously the weakest link, now it has the interior but uninspiring engines. It needs a halo petrol engine in it to give it some real magic. And why no 3.0 litre diesel?
Ignoring the engine choice it is now the car it always should have been.
Jaguar have bet the farm on the Ingenium range. So that's what you get. Ignoring the engine choice it is now the car it always should have been.
Itsallicanafford said:
Sorry Jag, another missed sale with me also. I have gone down the Lexus hybrid route for my last 2 company cars (IS and now the new ES). CO2 and reliability my biggest factors when buying a company/ family car.
Quite sad really as the Germans have achieved low CO2 by raising other emissions and then just cheating the tests. Latest news that flew under the radar was that VW, BMW and Daimler have all been colluding even.They might get fined for it but JLR wont recoup anything of their lost sales.
Muzzer79 said:
Where's the estate?
Where's the hybrid?
Where's the coupe?
Where's the 4-door coupe?
Where's the performance variant? (the Project 8 doesn't count, being well into 6 figures)
I want to like them and want to want to buy one, but the range is just too narrow.
Compare the size of the big 3 German OEMs to JLR, then compare the sales of the equivalent models. There's your answer. Financial outlay for all those variants just doesn't stack up. A proper performance version would be nice though.Where's the hybrid?
Where's the coupe?
Where's the 4-door coupe?
Where's the performance variant? (the Project 8 doesn't count, being well into 6 figures)
I want to like them and want to want to buy one, but the range is just too narrow.
I will agree that there is nothing wrong with the styling or the chassis dynamics in the latter is surprisingly good and although a bit rough the 4 cylinder diesel pulls well.
However having had three new XE/XF's whilst waiting for our new (3 month late) Velar to arrive Jaguar are a disappointment.
All three cars had issues resulting in them having to be replaced including engine management lights, flat tyres etc the satnav and touch screen interfaces are woeful, tides come and go in the time it can take it to actually do what you've asked.
The screens in our new Velar have gone blank or completely haywire at least a dozen times and thats not including having to reject it because it hadn't been painted properly and arrived with trim hanging off.
The standard of interior materials is also poor with too many hard scratchy plastics used for cars at this price point.
I can only speak from my own experience of new JLR product and disappointing and overpriced are the best I can offer.
They are just not upto Audi, BMW or Mercedes which is a real shame because I really wanted them to be.
However having had three new XE/XF's whilst waiting for our new (3 month late) Velar to arrive Jaguar are a disappointment.
All three cars had issues resulting in them having to be replaced including engine management lights, flat tyres etc the satnav and touch screen interfaces are woeful, tides come and go in the time it can take it to actually do what you've asked.
The screens in our new Velar have gone blank or completely haywire at least a dozen times and thats not including having to reject it because it hadn't been painted properly and arrived with trim hanging off.
The standard of interior materials is also poor with too many hard scratchy plastics used for cars at this price point.
I can only speak from my own experience of new JLR product and disappointing and overpriced are the best I can offer.
They are just not upto Audi, BMW or Mercedes which is a real shame because I really wanted them to be.
I will agree that there is nothing wrong with the styling or the chassis dynamics in the latter is surprisingly good and although a bit rough the 4 cylinder diesel pulls well.
However having had three new XE/XF's whilst waiting for our new (3 month late) Velar to arrive Jaguar are a disappointment.
All three cars had issues resulting in them having to be replaced including engine management lights, flat tyres etc the satnav and touch screen interfaces are woeful, tides come and go in the time it can take it to actually do what you've asked.
The screens in our new Velar have gone blank or completely haywire at least a dozen times and thats not including having to reject it because it hadn't been painted properly and arrived with trim hanging off.
The standard of interior materials is also poor with too many hard scratchy plastics used for cars at this price point.
I can only speak from my own experience of new JLR product and disappointing and overpriced are the best I can offer.
They are just not upto Audi, BMW or Mercedes which is a real shame because I really wanted them to be.
However having had three new XE/XF's whilst waiting for our new (3 month late) Velar to arrive Jaguar are a disappointment.
All three cars had issues resulting in them having to be replaced including engine management lights, flat tyres etc the satnav and touch screen interfaces are woeful, tides come and go in the time it can take it to actually do what you've asked.
The screens in our new Velar have gone blank or completely haywire at least a dozen times and thats not including having to reject it because it hadn't been painted properly and arrived with trim hanging off.
The standard of interior materials is also poor with too many hard scratchy plastics used for cars at this price point.
I can only speak from my own experience of new JLR product and disappointing and overpriced are the best I can offer.
They are just not upto Audi, BMW or Mercedes which is a real shame because I really wanted them to be.
Have a 2016 XE-S - the one with the v6 and the supercharger...
Love it, drives brilliantly and in dynamic mode, with the gearbox in sport - goes like the proverbial, and with the supercharger sounds great, it would benefit from a sports exhaust a la f-type...
Personally I think the fit/finish on my car beats the current C Class hands down sat side by side with my step-dads C300h it's feels the better car,
The leather dash with red contrast stitching and the red/black leather combination with ICTPRO and the meridian digital system which make the car cockpit feel a great place to be - helped somewhat byt the carbon fibre pack and the panoramic roof., the base cars may not have this but mine is lovely.
If the new cars are better all power to Jaguar's elbow., tho I did find the 250 turbo 4 to have some go, but not nearly as special! roll on the i6 and hybrid variants, though I'm currently planning to hold on to the current car til I go all electric....
S.
Love it, drives brilliantly and in dynamic mode, with the gearbox in sport - goes like the proverbial, and with the supercharger sounds great, it would benefit from a sports exhaust a la f-type...
Personally I think the fit/finish on my car beats the current C Class hands down sat side by side with my step-dads C300h it's feels the better car,
The leather dash with red contrast stitching and the red/black leather combination with ICTPRO and the meridian digital system which make the car cockpit feel a great place to be - helped somewhat byt the carbon fibre pack and the panoramic roof., the base cars may not have this but mine is lovely.
If the new cars are better all power to Jaguar's elbow., tho I did find the 250 turbo 4 to have some go, but not nearly as special! roll on the i6 and hybrid variants, though I'm currently planning to hold on to the current car til I go all electric....
S.
florian said:
Exactely. Where‘s the new Ingenium straight six? The four pots are hardly enticing.
Weren't Jaguar supposed to be all about Space, Pace & Grace?So who wants to be compelled to have a diseasel to get a manual gearbox in a Jag?
I got a manual E90 BMW 330i a couple of weeks ago - straight 6 manual and 258 PS ( mind you BMW don't do that any more either)!
Nerfbat said:
I like Jags, and have had two XF's. I would have had a third, but unfortunately they just can't seem to offer competitive deals.
I ended up buying a 530D instead of a new XF as it turned out to be massively cheaper than the equivalent Jag with all the incentives that BMW offer, and I'm afraid that unless Jaguar can somehow match the deals that competitors offer they'll be struggling .
Sadly, this is true. When we bought our 320d last year, the equivalent XE worked out at around a third more per month, everything else being equal.I ended up buying a 530D instead of a new XF as it turned out to be massively cheaper than the equivalent Jag with all the incentives that BMW offer, and I'm afraid that unless Jaguar can somehow match the deals that competitors offer they'll be struggling .
Also, as others have already said, past a certain point a 4-cylinder just doesn't cut it. - I'd much rather have a 340i than the 2.0 turbo XE or Giulia. It's just a shame that the new 340i looks like it'll be auto only (and AWD only in the UK).
Mr_Sukebe said:
Not mentioned in the article, but probably more pertinent is whether Jag have solved the electrical gremlins?
Pretty much every time I read forum comments about XEs (and for that matter, similar aged XF and Land Rovers), the threads are often awash with horror stories of poor electrics.
It's certainly enough to put me off, despite me thinking that the car is stunning looking.
I was worried about that too but just got a 2019 RR Sport with Duo Pro screens and 4 months in, all still working very well.Pretty much every time I read forum comments about XEs (and for that matter, similar aged XF and Land Rovers), the threads are often awash with horror stories of poor electrics.
It's certainly enough to put me off, despite me thinking that the car is stunning looking.
robm3 said:
I was worried about that too but just got a 2019 RR Sport with Duo Pro screens and 4 months in, all still working very well.
That seems to sum things up quite well - when I drive a car I want to be involved in the experience!When I want to mess about on the internet I'll do that at home on my PC - I just hope you aren't using the same roads I am!
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