RE: ABT pumps Audi RS3 up to 470hp

[Jon_S_Rally]

shantybeater said:

I don't think its anger? It's more a lack of understanding as to why you would want to make your car fart/pop and otherwise sound ste to the majority of the public. I guess its personal taste a bit like covering your car in vinyl, spraying it with flip paint and sticking on huge wings. Stuff like this which is garish, and adds no performance, will always get a marmite response (mostly hate).

Personally I can't stand the pop/fart maps, but its not my car and not my decision. I think its more offensive on a 5 pot RS3 which otherwise sounds good, I understand the Golf R owners doing it to try and make a crap exhaust note sound a bit more exotic.

With the way some people keep posting about it on here, it sounds very much like anger at times. Personally, I couldn't give two hoots what other people think my car sounds like. If they've got nothing better to do than get upset about someone else's exhaust popping, then that says a lot more about them than it does me.

The pops and bangs on some of these cars are a bit conceited, as they are so obviously fake, but most things about modern cars are a bit more fake than they used to be. If it adds a bit of fun to a car, then who cares.

Dave Hedgehog said:

Amanitin said:

being an obnoxious tt is generally frowned upon. It's been happening ever since the invention of civilized society

by beige people

Quite.

Whenever I've had a car that's a bit loud, or pops, bangs, flutters or whatever else, it always raises a smile when I see someone turn their nose up. Unless it's obscenely loud (and even sometimes when it is), who cares. Let them be miserable. Life is too short.

[Dezbo]

I’ve had Golf Rs and S3s readily keep up with stock 450 and 500 bhp Rwd machines I’ve owned. Even allowing for me not being the most talented driver and superior 4wd traction, in a straight line those things must have had their engines seriously modded. Doubt they’ll be on the road for long though...

[Miserablegit]

I don’t dislike the RS range but must call PH out on “Forged wheels weighing just 8kg each are available, which will surely help the car feel less ponderous”
Forged wheels save about 6kg per wheel which is great (24kg total) but the car weighs over 1500kg so negligible difference - the kfc bucket the owner is eating makes more of a difference

[gigglebug]

Miserablegit said:

I don’t dislike the RS range but must call PH out on “Forged wheels weighing just 8kg each are available, which will surely help the car feel less ponderous”
Forged wheels save about 6kg per wheel which is great (24kg total) but the car weighs over 1500kg so negligible difference - the kfc bucket the owner is eating makes more of a difference

It's unsprung weight though which is the important factor. Someone cleverer than me will explain why.

[Miserablegit]

gigglebug said:

It's unsprung weight though which is the important factor. Someone cleverer than me will explain why.

Not in a tank it isn’t

[Leon R]

Miserablegit said:

Not in a tank it isn’t

I remember someone saying that saving 1kg unsprung weight is worth 4 times that of sprung weight.

[gigglebug]

Miserablegit said:

Not in a tank it isn’t

So you already understand the difference between sprung and unsprung weight and why making savings to one is proportionally more beneficial than making savings to the other and how the effects of each can differ?

[Miserablegit]

That was a fat bloke in the pub who’d just bought some stolen alloys

[dukebox9reg]

Jon_S_Rally said:

shantybeater said:

I don't think its anger? It's more a lack of understanding as to why you would want to make your car fart/pop and otherwise sound ste to the majority of the public. I guess its personal taste a bit like covering your car in vinyl, spraying it with flip paint and sticking on huge wings. Stuff like this which is garish, and adds no performance, will always get a marmite response (mostly hate).

Personally I can't stand the pop/fart maps, but its not my car and not my decision. I think its more offensive on a 5 pot RS3 which otherwise sounds good, I understand the Golf R owners doing it to try and make a crap exhaust note sound a bit more exotic.

With the way some people keep posting about it on here, it sounds very much like anger at times. Personally, I couldn't give two hoots what other people think my car sounds like. If they've got nothing better to do than get upset about someone else's exhaust popping, then that says a lot more about them than it does me.

The pops and bangs on some of these cars are a bit conceited, as they are so obviously fake, but most things about modern cars are a bit more fake than they used to be. If it adds a bit of fun to a car, then who cares.

Dave Hedgehog said:

Amanitin said:

being an obnoxious tt is generally frowned upon. It's been happening ever since the invention of civilized society

by beige people

Quite.

Whenever I've had a car that's a bit loud, or pops, bangs, flutters or whatever else, it always raises a smile when I see someone turn their nose up. Unless it's obscenely loud (and even sometimes when it is), who cares. Let them be miserable. Life is too short.

Guess you don't live on a main through road to a recently opened car themed pub/cafe near me. The darlings with their bean can exhausts seem to think flat out acceleration through 2/3 gears and dropping the clutch and bouncing the engine of the limiter for pops and farts is acceptable behaviour in a quiet village that is a 30mph limit. I'm sure their mummies wouldn't like it if I parked out side their house nailing my car off its limiter. The ones who want the attention for their exhausts 99% of the time funnily enough drives like b'ends.

[wab172uk]

gigglebug said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

gigglebug said:

wab172uk said:

I've just had an S3 engine (totally standard) go pop. Injector problem led to a Piston disintegrating. Cost to find the fault, ship over a brand new engine (still on back order) and to install said new engine. £18,380.

Mines out of warranty, but Audi have accepted the failure was due to a faulty part. This alone has put me off ever thinking about tuning a car. If I'd had mine mapped, I'd have to write the car off.

Bloody hell! My partners 2.0TFSI has had a new engine and I'm sure the bill was 8-9K. I'll have a look when I get a spare minute.

If you value your warranty you will not mod an RS, audi have a people that look for them to void warranties

My second RS3 needed a new mechatronic unit as the car would jump into neutral on high g cornering and you could not select a gear for 30ish seconds, after all the fault diagnostics they had the car in for 2 days to inspect it for mods before they booked the car in a few weeks later to swap the unit

Not the same engine obviously but hers was a timing chain tensioner failure causing the valves to hit the pistons. £8572.42 would have been the bill if it hadn't have been within warranty.

It was £2500 for them to diagnose the problem. Think the Engine itself it £9000, shipping etc. Then add VAT on, and dealers time / labour to fit the new engine. Was first told £13,000, but then this changed to over £18k.

I had a very dry throat when getting told the price, until he said Audi have accepted the fault.

[wab172uk]

Jon_S_Rally said:

shantybeater said:

I don't think its anger? It's more a lack of understanding as to why you would want to make your car fart/pop and otherwise sound ste to the majority of the public. I guess its personal taste a bit like covering your car in vinyl, spraying it with flip paint and sticking on huge wings. Stuff like this which is garish, and adds no performance, will always get a marmite response (mostly hate).

Personally I can't stand the pop/fart maps, but its not my car and not my decision. I think its more offensive on a 5 pot RS3 which otherwise sounds good, I understand the Golf R owners doing it to try and make a crap exhaust note sound a bit more exotic.

With the way some people keep posting about it on here, it sounds very much like anger at times. Personally, I couldn't give two hoots what other people think my car sounds like. If they've got nothing better to do than get upset about someone else's exhaust popping, then that says a lot more about them than it does me.

The pops and bangs on some of these cars are a bit conceited, as they are so obviously fake, but most things about modern cars are a bit more fake than they used to be. If it adds a bit of fun to a car, then who cares.

Dave Hedgehog said:

Amanitin said:

being an obnoxious tt is generally frowned upon. It's been happening ever since the invention of civilized society

by beige people

Quite.

Whenever I've had a car that's a bit loud, or pops, bangs, flutters or whatever else, it always raises a smile when I see someone turn their nose up. Unless it's obscenely loud (and even sometimes when it is), who cares. Let them be miserable. Life is too short.

Personally I don't like all the popping and farting noises. I just prefer a decent engine / exhaust note. But it's the manufacturers who are writing these farting noises into new cars. Just a shame you can't turn them off. Same as pumping fake noise in through the speakers. Just no.

[cerb4.5lee]

Miserablegit said:

I don’t dislike the RS range but must call PH out on “Forged wheels weighing just 8kg each are available, which will surely help the car feel less ponderous”
Forged wheels save about 6kg per wheel which is great (24kg total) but the car weighs over 1500kg so negligible difference - the kfc bucket the owner is eating makes more of a difference

I always think similar when BMW go on about the carbon roof on the M cars...as if it makes any difference on cars that weigh over 1600kg!

[GranCab]

Ah yes but it lowers the C of G



by 0.5 mm .....

[TomTVR500]

I don't normally post but the level of sanctimony, arrogance and indeed ignorance in this threat is astonishing. It appears Pistonheads is starting to fall into the grasp of the self appointed "right on elite" it's like listening to a political debate on the BBC.

Pull your head out of your arses please people. Some of us still enjoy driving their fast cars fast or making their fast cars faster. It is after all why we buy them and not a Golf diesel. We also enjoy the "antisocial" noise they make. Partly because it's a big part of the thrill of a drivers car but also because it irritates you brainwashed oh so virtuous to***rs!

If you don't like it, please do yourselves and others a favor and remove yourself from enthusiast forums such as this one!

[gigglebug]

cerb4.5lee said:

I always think similar when BMW go on about the carbon roof on the M cars...as if it makes any difference on cars that weigh over 1600kg!

So at what point would any attempt to reduce unsrung and/or rotational mass become irrelevant? Does the overall weight of the vehicle have a determining factor on whether any improvements can be made or not?

[dukebox9reg]

TomTVR500 said:

I don't normally post but the level of sanctimony, arrogance and indeed ignorance in this threat is astonishing. It appears Pistonheads is starting to fall into the grasp of the self appointed "right on elite" it's like listening to a political debate on the BBC.

Pull your head out of your arses please people. Some of us still enjoy driving their fast cars fast or making their fast cars faster. It is after all why we buy them and not a Golf diesel. We also enjoy the "antisocial" noise they make. Partly because it's a big part of the thrill of a drivers car but also because it irritates you brainwashed oh so virtuous to***rs!

If you don't like it, please do yourselves and others a favor and remove yourself from enthusiast forums such as this one!

You can be an enthusiast without condoning driving like a b'end. There is a time and place. It's called antisocial as you point out for a reason.

I have a loud aftermarket exhaust on my mini. I like opening it up and being a facelift R53 it has pops built in. But I don't need to be doing 50-60 through a village off the limiter in 2nd to prove the fact I'm into my cars.

[dukebox9reg]

Back to the car. Wonder if mapping GPF cars will lead to filter blocking up like diesels

[gigglebug]

wab172uk said:

It was £2500 for them to diagnose the problem. Think the Engine itself it £9000, shipping etc. Then add VAT on, and dealers time / labour to fit the new engine. Was first told £13,000, but then this changed to over £18k.

I had a very dry throat when getting told the price, until he said Audi have accepted the fault.

Jesus, £2500 to diagnose it? There isn't any mention of a diagnostic charge on the report/reciept for my partners car to be honest and I've realised that there isn't any mention of labour costs on it either so whether that means it would have been even more if we would have had to have paid it ourselves I'm not sure. There is however an undisclosed £1700 surcharge listed directly under the engine so maybe that covered the labour? Who knows, I'm just glad I didn't have to pay it.

[cerb4.5lee]

gigglebug said:

cerb4.5lee said:

I always think similar when BMW go on about the carbon roof on the M cars...as if it makes any difference on cars that weigh over 1600kg!

So at what point would any attempt to reduce unsrung and/or rotational mass become irrelevant? Does the overall weight of the vehicle have a determining factor on whether any improvements can be made or not?

I guess that doing something is better than doing nothing. I have forged wheels on my 370Z but it weighs over 1500kg so I'm not sure that they really make any difference. Just my take on it though.

[anonymous-user]

Hatchback with 400bhp, 0-60 in 4secs, does 174mph and constantly gets slagged off on here.

15 years time, this car will be an absolute legend