RE: Audi SQ8 | Driven
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slowcars1 said:
The old RS6 is quite a lot smaller than any new A6, but I'm being pedantic here. It's not more efficient or as clean as you rightly point out.
The don't hate SUVs for what they are, but I hate how incompatible they are with our roads. I unfortunately live in the South East as a I work in the city and the number of large SUVs you see trying to squeeze past each other down narrow roads is absurd. I don't notice it quite so much with estates, but perhaps there is some kind of a personal bias here.
Oh, I agree. My sister and brother in law have had an A6 in the last couple of years and I couldn't believe how big it was. The don't hate SUVs for what they are, but I hate how incompatible they are with our roads. I unfortunately live in the South East as a I work in the city and the number of large SUVs you see trying to squeeze past each other down narrow roads is absurd. I don't notice it quite so much with estates, but perhaps there is some kind of a personal bias here.
I live in the countryside and I am at the point in my life where I am happy to have the smallest car, with just enough power to have fun, that I can get away with now. I bought a Puma as a cheap runaround and it was ultimately as much fun to bomb around in, if not as impressive, as the GTR and 996 that I had. I enjoyed being able use most of its power, it's gear change and handling most of the time which is something I just couldn't do with the other cars. It wouldn't stop me buying something higher up the food chain again mind. That's the thing though, I only have to choose based on what suits me at any particular point. Same as anyone else really.
Andy20vt said:
An estate car, whether a fast one or not, serves a useful purpose. A 4x4 SUV than never goes off road is about as useless as a chocolate teapot - unless it's for displaying one's status to others, in which case it's still pretty useless as it seems any old scrote can (and seem to) pay the monthlies an a flashy SUV these days. Guess that's why they keep bringing out even flasher versions, if they make the monthlies high enough maybe that will distinguish the scrotes with still not quite enough money from the scrotes who actually have no money. All the people I know who have serious wealth, and I'm not just talking the odd million or two, drive round in older cars. Guess they don't feel the need to display themselves in this way?
And we have already got to the point in the thread where Andy insults the buyers, and their chosen means to purchase, and puts forward his own, narrow experience as a sweeping generalisation of everything!I know rich folks that do buy new cars, regularly and without the need of any finance. Just like your observation it proves nothing in the wider scheme.
And what about all of the SUV's that do go off-road?
And what about all of the folks who have tried both and found the SUV equivalent to the estate more practical for their needs, regardless of any off-road ability?
And what about all of many folks who buy bigger, heavier and less efficient estates just on the justification that they might use its carrying capacity once in blue moon?
Explain to me the purpose of a big, heavy and fast estate car when the last thing you want to be doing is bombing around when you have anything valuable in the back, deeming extra power irrelevant, and the last thing it can be is a proper sports car when you aren't? Do folks buy them just on the tired, well trodden trope that 'fast estates are cool'?
I am obviously being facetious to make a point and have nothing against powerful estates, I fully understand why they are the perfect choice for many, but I do find it funny when they are used as the counter argument to other vehicles showing similar compromises.
Andy20vt said:
gigglebug said:
And you could also buy smaller, more efficient estate cars with better pedestrian safety than an old RS6. Where do you draw the line with what you would deem unnecessary/acceptable? I would guess that a very large proportion of the cars we find interesting are ultimately unnecessary, one way or another, but does that mean they shouldn't exist?
An estate car, whether a fast one or not, serves a useful purpose. A 4x4 SUV than never goes off road is about as useless as a chocolate teapot - unless it's for displaying one's status to others, in which case it's still pretty useless as it seems any old scrote can (and seem to) pay the monthlies an a flashy SUV these days. Guess that's why they keep bringing out even flasher versions, if they make the monthlies high enough maybe that will distinguish the scrotes with still not quite enough money from the scrotes who actually have no money. All the people I know who have serious wealth, and I'm not just talking the odd million or two, drive round in older cars. Guess they don't feel the need to display themselves in this way? On a more positive note, 664 lb ft torque, yes please, although personally I prefer the SQ7
gigglebug said:
And we have already got to the point in the thread where Andy insults the buyers, and their chosen means to purchase, and puts forward his own, narrow experience as a sweeping generalisation of everything!
I know rich folks that do buy new cars, regularly and without the need of any finance. Just like your observation it proves nothing in the wider scheme.
And what about all of the SUV's that do go off-road?
And what about all of the folks who have tried both and found the SUV equivalent to the estate more practical for their needs, regardless of any off-road ability?
And what about all of many folks who buy bigger, heavier and less efficient estates just on the justification that they might use its carrying capacity once in blue moon?
Explain to me the purpose of a big, heavy and fast estate car when the last thing you want to be doing is bombing around when you have anything valuable in the back, deeming extra power irrelevant, and the last thing it can be is a proper sports car when you aren't? Do folks buy them just on the tired, well trodden trope that 'fast estates are cool'?
I am obviously being facetious to make a point and have nothing against powerful estates, I fully understand why they are the perfect choice for many, but I do find it funny when they are used as the counter argument to other vehicles showing similar compromises.
And there was me thinking that he was only mildly hypocritical! I know rich folks that do buy new cars, regularly and without the need of any finance. Just like your observation it proves nothing in the wider scheme.
And what about all of the SUV's that do go off-road?
And what about all of the folks who have tried both and found the SUV equivalent to the estate more practical for their needs, regardless of any off-road ability?
And what about all of many folks who buy bigger, heavier and less efficient estates just on the justification that they might use its carrying capacity once in blue moon?
Explain to me the purpose of a big, heavy and fast estate car when the last thing you want to be doing is bombing around when you have anything valuable in the back, deeming extra power irrelevant, and the last thing it can be is a proper sports car when you aren't? Do folks buy them just on the tired, well trodden trope that 'fast estates are cool'?
I am obviously being facetious to make a point and have nothing against powerful estates, I fully understand why they are the perfect choice for many, but I do find it funny when they are used as the counter argument to other vehicles showing similar compromises.
Edited by chris.mod on Friday 11th October 16:06
Andy20vt said:
Thankfully attitudes seem to be changing (see link below) and this bloated, overweight 'never to go off road' SUV will probably in the very near future be considered as welcome as a turd in a paddling pool.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/oct/07/a-d...
A soon to be extinct and worthless dinosaur me thinks.
Especially with a diesel engine. In a few years it will be worth buttons and banned from most city centres.https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/oct/07/a-d...
A soon to be extinct and worthless dinosaur me thinks.
Andy20vt said:
Thankfully attitudes seem to be changing (see link below) and this bloated, overweight 'never to go off road' SUV will probably in the very near future be considered as welcome as a turd in a paddling pool.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/oct/07/a-d...
A soon to be extinct and worthless dinosaur me thinks.
I'm surprised it took our resident 4x4 hating troll so long to comment, standards are slipping.https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/oct/07/a-d...
A soon to be extinct and worthless dinosaur me thinks.
gigglebug said:
TurboHatchback said:
This pretty much personifies everything that is wrong with car design today, they'll sell them as fast as they can build them. No worse than the equally dismal rivals from the other 'premium' manufacturers though.
The classic SUV oxymoron an another one ticked off the list. If they can sell them as fast as they make them then you would have to contend that they are getting the design spot on for the current market, no?TurboHatchback said:
gigglebug said:
TurboHatchback said:
This pretty much personifies everything that is wrong with car design today, they'll sell them as fast as they can build them. No worse than the equally dismal rivals from the other 'premium' manufacturers though.
The classic SUV oxymoron an another one ticked off the list. If they can sell them as fast as they make them then you would have to contend that they are getting the design spot on for the current market, no?ruprechtmonkeyboy said:
Andy20vt said:
Thankfully attitudes seem to be changing (see link below) and this bloated, overweight 'never to go off road' SUV will probably in the very near future be considered as welcome as a turd in a paddling pool.
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/oct/07/a-d...
A soon to be extinct and worthless dinosaur me thinks.
Especially with a diesel engine. In a few years it will be worth buttons and banned from most city centres.https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/oct/07/a-d...
A soon to be extinct and worthless dinosaur me thinks.
moldy said:
TurboHatchback said:
gigglebug said:
TurboHatchback said:
This pretty much personifies everything that is wrong with car design today, they'll sell them as fast as they can build them. No worse than the equally dismal rivals from the other 'premium' manufacturers though.
The classic SUV oxymoron an another one ticked off the list. If they can sell them as fast as they make them then you would have to contend that they are getting the design spot on for the current market, no?moldy said:
TurboHatchback said:
gigglebug said:
TurboHatchback said:
This pretty much personifies everything that is wrong with car design today, they'll sell them as fast as they can build them. No worse than the equally dismal rivals from the other 'premium' manufacturers though.
The classic SUV oxymoron an another one ticked off the list. If they can sell them as fast as they make them then you would have to contend that they are getting the design spot on for the current market, no?Clearly mine is a minority opinion though as everyone seems to want this sort of thing now.
NSNO said:
So you buy the top the range Q8 and then you have got to pay extra for tyrre pressure monitoring which is standard on a lot of cars nowadays, that are a lot cheaper.
I think it must be a mistake.1) I'm sure it's a mandatory EU requirement.
2) I've just gone on the configurator and can find no such option.
Not everything has to exactly fit its purpose or be used for its intended purpose, many things are on the face of it fairly pointless.
Ladies wear shoes that no human should be able to walk in, but they do.
Ornaments, whats the point of that ?
Art, no point is there really ?
Food other than for basic sustenance ?
Sex other than for Procreation, waste of time...
Its need vs want, we are at a time in human history where need has been, for a lot of the worlds population, been conquered and now we are at the want stage and some folk want honking great, powerful off road/SUV type vehicles.
Not something I want personally, but equally rather than shouting "Ban it" for everything you dont like or agree with, perhaps dont buy one and hopefully trends will change away from stuff like that, not that I think they are the devil incarnate and its pretty shaky ground as petrolheads suggesting banning a particular type of vehicle as the stuff we like has some factors in common, like being inefficient.
I think the tide is changing a bit, perhaps some gentle legislation to nudge folk in the right direction rather than "ban it", we cant be for free expression apart from stuff we dont want, would be just a load of miserable old b
ds, no cyclists, no horse riders and leaving anything they are a member of.
In reality, Audi will sell relatively few of these but there are a lot of similar vehicles around, they are a bit big for most car parks and use more fuel but they arent really that evil compared to most other cars, most will do decent MPG with a diesel engine, less safe for pedestrians but stepping out in front of even an Up! or similar isn't recommended.
I can sort of see why people buy them, but cant think of anything I want less for 100 grand than one of those.
Ladies wear shoes that no human should be able to walk in, but they do.
Ornaments, whats the point of that ?
Art, no point is there really ?
Food other than for basic sustenance ?
Sex other than for Procreation, waste of time...
Its need vs want, we are at a time in human history where need has been, for a lot of the worlds population, been conquered and now we are at the want stage and some folk want honking great, powerful off road/SUV type vehicles.
Not something I want personally, but equally rather than shouting "Ban it" for everything you dont like or agree with, perhaps dont buy one and hopefully trends will change away from stuff like that, not that I think they are the devil incarnate and its pretty shaky ground as petrolheads suggesting banning a particular type of vehicle as the stuff we like has some factors in common, like being inefficient.
I think the tide is changing a bit, perhaps some gentle legislation to nudge folk in the right direction rather than "ban it", we cant be for free expression apart from stuff we dont want, would be just a load of miserable old b
ds, no cyclists, no horse riders and leaving anything they are a member of.In reality, Audi will sell relatively few of these but there are a lot of similar vehicles around, they are a bit big for most car parks and use more fuel but they arent really that evil compared to most other cars, most will do decent MPG with a diesel engine, less safe for pedestrians but stepping out in front of even an Up! or similar isn't recommended.
I can sort of see why people buy them, but cant think of anything I want less for 100 grand than one of those.
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