RE: Jaguar E-Type Reborn | PH Review
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PushedDover said:
Great fun - and agreeing with up there ^^^^^^ more interesting than anything else to sink £300k of real money in (i.e. not PCP'ing)
It will also remain great fun for far far longer than the latest unusable power of a sub 3sec super car.
For example - Your own £300k: This or Mac 720S anyone ?
I do like the E Type and classic cars generally, but I'd have a 720S without thinking twice.It will also remain great fun for far far longer than the latest unusable power of a sub 3sec super car.
For example - Your own £300k: This or Mac 720S anyone ?
This is an iconic British motor certainly, but I find them a bit over-rated to be honest, the are a bit to highly celebrated and over-exposed for me. I would probably think differently if it were a car from my youth that I was nostalgic for, but as a 30 something there are performance classics from the 80's and 90s era that I would prefer, that likely drive better and are cheaper. If the E Type were significantly cheaper then it would be a fun old classic, but with this at 720S money, the price looks a bit absurd.
MX-6 said:
I do like the E Type and classic cars generally, but I'd have a 720S without thinking twice.
This is an iconic British motor certainly, but I find them a bit over-rated to be honest, the are a bit to highly celebrated and over-exposed for me. I would probably think differently if it were a car from my youth that I was nostalgic for, but as a 30 something there are performance classics from the 80's and 90s era that I would prefer, that likely drive better and are cheaper. If the E Type were significantly cheaper then it would be a fun old classic, but with this at 720S money, the price looks a bit absurd.
I agree the E type is a bit over exposed......but it’s nothing compared to the DB5 - I’m sick to death of 007 and DB5 exposure!This is an iconic British motor certainly, but I find them a bit over-rated to be honest, the are a bit to highly celebrated and over-exposed for me. I would probably think differently if it were a car from my youth that I was nostalgic for, but as a 30 something there are performance classics from the 80's and 90s era that I would prefer, that likely drive better and are cheaper. If the E Type were significantly cheaper then it would be a fun old classic, but with this at 720S money, the price looks a bit absurd.
donutskidmark said:
MX-6 said:
I do like the E Type and classic cars generally, but I'd have a 720S without thinking twice.
This is an iconic British motor certainly, but I find them a bit over-rated to be honest, the are a bit to highly celebrated and over-exposed for me. I would probably think differently if it were a car from my youth that I was nostalgic for, but as a 30 something there are performance classics from the 80's and 90s era that I would prefer, that likely drive better and are cheaper. If the E Type were significantly cheaper then it would be a fun old classic, but with this at 720S money, the price looks a bit absurd.
I agree the E type is a bit over exposed......but it’s nothing compared to the DB5 - I’m sick to death of 007 and DB5 exposure!This is an iconic British motor certainly, but I find them a bit over-rated to be honest, the are a bit to highly celebrated and over-exposed for me. I would probably think differently if it were a car from my youth that I was nostalgic for, but as a 30 something there are performance classics from the 80's and 90s era that I would prefer, that likely drive better and are cheaper. If the E Type were significantly cheaper then it would be a fun old classic, but with this at 720S money, the price looks a bit absurd.
MX-6 said:
I do like the E Type and classic cars generally, but I'd have a 720S without thinking twice.
This is an iconic British motor certainly, but I find them a bit over-rated to be honest, the are a bit to highly celebrated and over-exposed for me. I would probably think differently if it were a car from my youth that I was nostalgic for, but as a 30 something there are performance classics from the 80's and 90s era that I would prefer, that likely drive better and are cheaper. If the E Type were significantly cheaper then it would be a fun old classic, but with this at 720S money, the price looks a bit absurd.
A 720S is a wonderous thing. But useable on the modern UK roads IYKWIM ? This is an iconic British motor certainly, but I find them a bit over-rated to be honest, the are a bit to highly celebrated and over-exposed for me. I would probably think differently if it were a car from my youth that I was nostalgic for, but as a 30 something there are performance classics from the 80's and 90s era that I would prefer, that likely drive better and are cheaper. If the E Type were significantly cheaper then it would be a fun old classic, but with this at 720S money, the price looks a bit absurd.
and....
the 720 will half in value in 18 months ? This wont?
ettore said:
No, it was a tossy, chippy comment to which I replied with a w
ky response. Which you know.
Plenty of people and things are identified (self or otherwise) as Brits or British without disappearing down the plughole of bks bigotry. I dare say the English footballer, David Beckham, has plenty of fans throughout the UK for his other achievements. I dare say the English E Type is mainly considered British and, frankly, toad-in-the-hole isn't a feature of many menu's anywhere.
The original article was lazy but a shame to reduce it to this rubbish.
Obviously I beg to differ, if one is going to pepper one's article with facts, then one must ensure that they are correct ( or at least the sub-editors should) ky response. Which you know. Plenty of people and things are identified (self or otherwise) as Brits or British without disappearing down the plughole of b
ks bigotry. I dare say the English footballer, David Beckham, has plenty of fans throughout the UK for his other achievements. I dare say the English E Type is mainly considered British and, frankly, toad-in-the-hole isn't a feature of many menu's anywhere. The original article was lazy but a shame to reduce it to this rubbish.
Well anyways the E-type is as European as a Ferrari/VW/Skoda or even as an Ineos Grenadier will be.....
bigothunter said:
Deranged Rover said:
Sadly, they still don't seem to have been able to address the E-Type's main flaw, which is that it's a hideous looking thing.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example, some people like Range Rovers 
And I’m not one to question his judgement.
Many years ago when I was a cop young in service alas at our nick had bought a red e-type with his pit redundancy money.
It wasn’t anywhere near mint but it was quite useable, with only 2 previous owners, he often used to come to work in it.
Iirc he had paid £10-12k for it, and circa 1987-ish he sold it for £20-22k iirc
He felt like he had maid a fortune on it, but I wonder what it would be worth now,
Me, I’d love a 1962 version just to coincide with the year of my birth, but the trouble is the older I get, the more expensive they get.
£300,000? Yes, it is like saying that when out of warranty you continue to pay dealership prices for your servicing. I've had my E-type the thick end of 40 years, and it has been restored twice during that time, the first in 1987 and the last in 2013 after over 100,000 miles. The first rebuild cost £25,000. The latter included a completely rebuilt engine - rebore, new top hat liners, new cylinder head since the old one was scrap, pistons, valves - the whole nine yards. I could have had the sportier version for another £500 if I wished but then I have an uprated car so went for standard. The body was bare-metalled, repaired where necessary and repainted and a very tough paint applied on the underside. I forget the name, but they use it for truck beds, so you know it's tough. Everything was rebuilt; new loom, instruments rebuilt by specialists, retrimmed, carburettors sent to Burlen and rebuilt, polybushed, diff rebuilt, new discs and pads with calipers refurbed. Nothing was left out - the car was to all intents and purposes new. So new it won the club concours. You'll see a few of the photos underneath. I have all the bills and schedule of spending to prove the final cost. I wouldn't trust Jaguar to touch my car. They are mostly younger people who haven't grown up with the cars, and frankly do not know how and what to do.
So, at the end of it all, Jaguar have sold you a 1965 4.2 S1 E-type for £300,000. There are a stack of similar cars, fully restored, for an asking price of half that:-
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/cat/3/22/e-type/
Here are a couple of photos of my rebuild:-
Mine, being an early 1961 flat floor should theoretically be worth more than the 1965 4.2, but even so I value it at £150,000 tops. Oh I haven't mentioned the cost of the rebuild, now have I? Well, less than Jaguar would charge you. A very considerable amount less in fact It cost - scroll down.................................................................
£55,000.
So, at the end of it all, Jaguar have sold you a 1965 4.2 S1 E-type for £300,000. There are a stack of similar cars, fully restored, for an asking price of half that:-
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/cat/3/22/e-type/
Here are a couple of photos of my rebuild:-
Mine, being an early 1961 flat floor should theoretically be worth more than the 1965 4.2, but even so I value it at £150,000 tops. Oh I haven't mentioned the cost of the rebuild, now have I? Well, less than Jaguar would charge you. A very considerable amount less in fact It cost - scroll down.................................................................
£55,000.
Edited by lowdrag on Thursday 17th December 15:21
Thanks low drag .. mine was restored around 6/7 years ago and the parts bill was around £20-25K. The parts are probably more expensive now. The car was by no means a basket case and in fact the shell was 98% original panels used. How many hours to fully restore an e-type? 2-3k hours? I don't understand how you paid £55k. I guess that was mostly labour. If you are starting from scratch.. the donor car could cost you £70K and the restoration £100k or more, There are different levels of restoration of course. £300k is a bit pricey though, this is Eagle territory
Edited by Jonny TVR on Thursday 17th December 15:37
If we go further with Jaguar's insane pricing, they are currently restoring eight coupés and eight roadsters. But not as original, not even the colour. They will be built as matching pairs, copies of the two cars that went to Geneva for the launch, 77RW the roadster, and 9600 HP, the coupé. Now, when they are finished you have to buy a pair; you can't buy one car. Let's reflect a bit on this. You are buying 1963 cars rebuilt to 1961 specification and not to the original colour and trim. Now consider the pricing that Jaguar put on that one car, £300,000, and considering the real value, about £150,000. you'd think that selling "in bulk" you'd get a better deal, now wouldn't you? Er - not at all; the asking price for these non-original car is:-...........................
£850,000 the pair.
Is it me, or do I find this just plainly ludicrous? And being a specialist in the very early cars, I'd just love to judge them. I hear, for example, they are going to be negative earth for your GPS and phone charger.. Maybe I am a Luddite, but I cannot understand why people are spending millions with manufacturers buying cars you cannot even register for road use. The C, D, E and XKSS Jaguars, the new Bentley Blowers, the Aston Martins. One day this will all come home to roost.
£850,000 the pair.
Is it me, or do I find this just plainly ludicrous? And being a specialist in the very early cars, I'd just love to judge them. I hear, for example, they are going to be negative earth for your GPS and phone charger.. Maybe I am a Luddite, but I cannot understand why people are spending millions with manufacturers buying cars you cannot even register for road use. The C, D, E and XKSS Jaguars, the new Bentley Blowers, the Aston Martins. One day this will all come home to roost.
Edited by lowdrag on Thursday 17th December 16:06
rjfp1962 said:
How tall are you?My line of sight is at the top of the screen, so when driving with the hood down I needed to either duck down or stretch above the windscreen to see. The advantage of the FHC is that you can recline the seat a little so you can see where you are going which is always handly!
Edited by Jonny TVR on Thursday 17th December 16:16
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