RE: 2021 Audi RS3 gets drift mode, will do 180mph
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The problem with Drift Mode is it goads people who don't have the skill to slide a car about into thinking they do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOelONV_unQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOelONV_unQ
arkenphel said:
Why don't the peg it back to 155mph and just make the car better to drive with more steering and chassis feedback?
The one criticism is have of audi is they are too numb. Capable, but numb.
Audi's engineers had this out with Audi marketing before and lost. Audi know exactly who their customers are. All this feedback stuff reduces the confidence of the typical Audi customer. They feel safest when the car isn't trying to tell them anything. Due to the huge cost of RS4s and RS6s especially, they don't tend to get driven beyond their limits as the drivers are that bit older since that bit more money is needed. Unfortunately the RS3 appeals mostly to swaggering bravado types so hot hatches will get driven beyond their limits often - and crash. But it wouldn't be a proper Audi if it didn't feel like it was on rails and making the driver think he was Michael Schumacher right up until the point it stuffs itself into a lamp post.The one criticism is have of audi is they are too numb. Capable, but numb.
Bobskirs6 said:
Having owned RS6's, RS3,s and RS4's all in stock and modified versions I have come to the conclusion that although excellent and A-B in the fastest possible way they just don't involve the driver as much. I test drove a CLA45S+ shooting brake the other day and it was a revelation by comparison.
It took you that long to realise that, expensive mistake. The issue with the CLA45S is when you glance at your own reflection going past a shop window, my good its a hideous looking thing. Turbobanana said:
I can't work out which is more pointless - the drift mode that either won't be used or (as someone else has pointed out) will be used hamfistedly, or the firing order on the side of a car that'll never be serviced anywhere other than a main dealer.
What are you on about!? You do realise the car featured in the Audi pre launch and hence the stickers are just for the marketing exercise to confirm the 5 cylinder motor is remaining. Many suspected it might end up getting the chop and so it's still the cars huge USP. simundo777 said:
It took you that long to realise that, expensive mistake. The issue with the CLA45S is when you glance at your own reflection going past a shop window, my good its a hideous looking thing.
Took me a while to realise what I wanted from a car very true.Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that.
9k rpm said:
Technically a great car however every RS3 I see seems to be driven very badly in a built up area by an innit bruv bell end.
they are popular with drug dealers and criminals but at least they actually get drivenI think with the RS3 they've never been drivers cars, even the older ones and the current one is always the best
re:the rs4 having just 450hp - the base 911 is just 380hp and still costs £90-100k
AUDI said:
represents the epitome of unadulterated driving dynamics
seriously, who writes this absolute b*ll*cks?? Does anyone believe this marketing crap, anyone?and it's worth noting that this car won't actually oversteer
Don't get me wrong, you can make it oversteer by arriving at a bend about 50% too fast, and giving it the most almightly bung on the way in, and then having about 3 Heathrow runway widths of clear tarmac to gather it all back up again, sure, but on the road, er nope. It's got far to much mass up front, and unless it can also disconnect it's front axle (hint: it can't) then all it'll do is push the front out.
To drift, remember, you need to OVERSPEED the rear axle, not overtorque it......
Good demo of those physics here:
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Because it can't overspeed the rear axle, it cannot continuously generate more tyre slip at the rear, hence the tyre lateral performance is simlpy split via the mass distribution, and hence, with the engine transversly upfront, it'll just push the nose out. You'll note in that video, when he juuuust manages to introduce some weight transfer momentum oversteer in FIRST ie at trailing throttle, then the "drift" system can juuust manage to keep the rear sliding for a few seconds, but really as soon as net positive torque is applied, the front and rear slip ratios equalise and the car comes out of the drift because there is no longer excess slip only at the rear
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 22 June 12:38
Plenty of little cars can hit their 155MPH limiter but are quite obviously way outside their comfort zone once you get above 130, and while I don't doubt that this will easily have the power to do 180mph I suspect it'll be quite hairy vs doing high speeds in something that isn't a little short wheelbase hatchback.
People do seem to buy these cars based on top trumps knobbery though, so I daresay it's very important.
People do seem to buy these cars based on top trumps knobbery though, so I daresay it's very important.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 22 June 12:48
Limpet said:
The problem with Drift Mode is it goads people who don't have the skill to slide a car about into thinking they do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOelONV_unQ
That was rather pathetic! I was hoping for a bit more…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOelONV_unQ
Seem to recall the Evil GT bits had a mishap when trying to drift their RS in a snowy car park which ended up in them hitting a bollard.
Not sure the phrase 'epitome of unadulterated driving dynamics' is being used in quite the right context here.
Not when you consider the torque vectoring rear diff, 5 different driver modes and modular vehicle dynamics controller.
Give Audi their due, the standard car come with a passive spring/damper set up.
However, even that can be exchanged for RS sports suspension plus, with adaptive dampers and no doubt many levels of adjustment.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure all of the above aids make the car an excellent drive. But does it really qualify as 'unadulterated'.
Wouldn't a truly 'unadulterated' car have singular, mechanical, passive set up?
Not when you consider the torque vectoring rear diff, 5 different driver modes and modular vehicle dynamics controller.
Give Audi their due, the standard car come with a passive spring/damper set up.
However, even that can be exchanged for RS sports suspension plus, with adaptive dampers and no doubt many levels of adjustment.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure all of the above aids make the car an excellent drive. But does it really qualify as 'unadulterated'.
Wouldn't a truly 'unadulterated' car have singular, mechanical, passive set up?
SturdyHSV said:
Spiros115 said:
What is the obsession with “drifting”? I mean it’s a really, really slow and crap way to go round a corner, mashes tyres, makes an awful screech when you could be listening to an engine.... honestly additions of things like “drift mode” just say to me they’ve run out of ideas how to actually make the car better but know they need something to charge more than the last, its the same as the stupid wiping rear indicators.
Hmm, why could people be drawn to an oversteer mode 
Almost every single car review video or magazine shot has to have at least one big smoking drift picture / scene whilst the presenter / journo shouts about how great the car is to drive. This isn't new, Needell, Clarkson, Harris etc. etc.
Every film with a car chase in has the cars oversteering around because it makes it look fast / exciting, that's been going on for what, 70 years easily?
That's all before drifting as an actual motorsport was as popular as it is (obviously not in all circles).
A 'dab of oppo' is even a PH driving god cliché for smurf's sake.
'Oversteer is cool' is drummed into people from an early age.
It is also fun, frankly, so p
s off with your cornering efficiency Some contrived 'mode' that makes it akin to the handling in Ridge Racer doesn't really appeal to me though to be honest, but as has been said, it'll make for some fun clips of people binning them into bushes leaving car meets.Please, please point me in the direction of idiots binning their prize "chariots" into a hedgerow that will make my day! :-D
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