RE: Porsche reveals new 911 Carrera GTS

RE: Porsche reveals new 911 Carrera GTS

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Charlie_1

1,018 posts

94 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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dgswk said:
Lovely lovely thing, in manual, lightweight interior package on it, add the aero pack, maybe carbon roof and select the shark blue paint. Wheels look fine to me.

Obviously, not as sharp a steer as the new GT3 would be, but looks like one to the uninitiated, more than good enough for most of us and none of the shenanigans required to get it.

£120k with a bit of BOSE for cruising days.

As others have said, 480bhp really isn't needed in one of these, so probably a < 400bhp 992-T for me - if such a thing ever comes out and isn't subject to the new speed limiting regs for type approvals post May '22.

Hi the speed regs is that actually a thing , was aware of the proposal didn't realise it had become fact , that probably means no more new cars for me frown









twinturban

241 posts

124 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Surely this is now a proper GT3 frightener, slightly down on power but significantly up on torque 420lb/ft versus 347lb/ft.

ddom

6,657 posts

50 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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It's strange how Porsche push this as a 'lightweight' when it's still 1500kg? Surely if half of that interior tat was removed it would be closer to the mark?

BlackandWhite

363 posts

196 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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Terminator X said:
£108k for a standard albeit great looking 911, world gone mad surely. Who is buying all these £100k+ cars?!

TX.
Anyone and everyone who can electronically sign a finance agreement or at least so it seems.

smilo996

2,827 posts

172 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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The 2022 Porsche 911 GT3 Touring is the best looking 911 in a long time.
This looks so dull, even by 911 standards.

RSTurboPaul

10,601 posts

260 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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ddom said:
It's strange how Porsche push this as a 'lightweight' when it's still 1500kg? Surely if half of that interior tat was removed it would be closer to the mark?
+1

25kg removed is not 'lightweighting'.

kmpowell

2,961 posts

230 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Perfection. IMO it's all the 911 anyone could ever need off track (and possibly on).

How I'd do mine...


nickfrog

21,363 posts

219 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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RSTurboPaul said:
ddom said:
It's strange how Porsche push this as a 'lightweight' when it's still 1500kg? Surely if half of that interior tat was removed it would be closer to the mark?
+1

25kg removed is not 'lightweighting'.
I am really surprised they've kept the weight so low considering its size, power, brakes, spec, safety etc.

So to me it is lightweight in relation to the above. I reckon light / heavy is relative. It was never going to weigh the same as a Caterham.

Chubbyross

4,560 posts

87 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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RSTurboPaul said:
ddom said:
It's strange how Porsche push this as a 'lightweight' when it's still 1500kg? Surely if half of that interior tat was removed it would be closer to the mark?
+1

25kg removed is not 'lightweighting'.
That’s the equivalent of removing my Labrador from the passenger seat. I doubt many people would feel the difference, although the air might be a little easier on the nose.

mrmichaelsankey

86 posts

143 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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So I spec’d my Jan 21 C4S as a GTS…. £18k difference.

I’d delete the SPASM, too hard for uk roads
I’d have the RS wheels, 5 lugs better than centre locks
Add the techno gumpf like RWS and PDCC.
Glass roof, nice interior, other odds and sods.

I’m not seeing, for me anyway, £18k difference as a bargain for another 40bhp and a little more torque, in a car that already has way enough power and handles just fine.

It’s a statement car… top of the carrera lineup but, bragging rights over a normal or S, but I can hear the “well it’s almost turbo quick!” It’s not a turbo, it’s a bragging rights carrera.

Still sell like hot cakes, if you can get an allocation, which are probably all gone for the next 18 months.

sidesauce

2,510 posts

220 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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mrmichaelsankey said:
It’s not a turbo, it’s a bragging rights carrera.
It might not be a Turbo but as it has a turbo ,a quick visit to Lichfield and parting and with just under a £1000 will give you exactly the same power (572bhp) as a Turbo.

Yeah I know - warranty, new car blah blah blah. Meh.


Edited by sidesauce on Thursday 24th June 12:10

RSTurboPaul

10,601 posts

260 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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sidesauce said:
mrmichaelsankey said:
It’s not a turbo, it’s a bragging rights carrera.
It might not be a Turbo but as it has a turbo ,a quick visit to Lichfield and parting and with just under a £1000 will give you exactly the same power (572bhp) as a Turbo.

Yeah I know - warranty, new car blah blah blah. Meh.


Edited by sidesauce on Thursday 24th June 12:10
That power in what looked like a 'base spec' car would be much fun biggrin

ddom

6,657 posts

50 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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nickfrog said:
I am really surprised they've kept the weight so low considering its size, power, brakes, spec, safety etc.

So to me it is lightweight in relation to the above. I reckon light / heavy is relative. It was never going to weigh the same as a Caterham.
No, but -25kg is just a BS ‘Porsche Tax’ that some will fall for. I’m sure they could get the weight down, but it’s mean making a more compromised car, so likely wouldn’t go down with their target audience of those who want a GT but won’t pay for one.

nickfrog

21,363 posts

219 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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ddom said:
No, but -25kg is just a BS ‘Porsche Tax’ that some will fall for. I’m sure they could get the weight down, but it’s mean making a more compromised car, so likely wouldn’t go down with their target audience of those who want a GT but won’t pay for one.
I reckon it's only a Porsche tax if you want that option. But as it is optional, you don't have to pay it.

As for the demographic who buy these cars, as ever, generalisations and pigeon holing are a little short sighted. I actually think the 911 has become the best compromise between GT and sports car, in a surprisingly light package for what it is.

kmpowell

2,961 posts

230 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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mrmichaelsankey said:
Still sell like hot cakes, if you can get an allocation, which are probably all gone for the next 18 months.
Is that the case with the GTS?

I had a quick look at used examples, and they appear to be circa £95k for a 17plate 991 at an OPC, so I'm assuming that getting hold of a 992 is going to be nigh on impossible and they'll go to preferred customers, hence why used values of the old model are so strong, if not then why would anyone spend £95k on a 3year old car when a brand new one is only £20k more, which at that price point is not a lot...?


Edited by kmpowell on Thursday 24th June 18:01

WCZ

10,570 posts

196 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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ddom said:
It's strange how Porsche push this as a 'lightweight' when it's still 1500kg? Surely if half of that interior tat was removed it would be closer to the mark?
that's what they do, the cayman T is I think statistically the least reduction of weight for a lightweight edition ever - at some point i'll get round to making a spreadsheet showing it

Davey S2

13,098 posts

256 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Lovely.

One of these with the aero kit on it would be perfect for me (2 young kids)

EthanSmale

17,540 posts

181 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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A shame that you can't get active cruise control with the manual gearbox, but I do like it. I think I'd have a Carrera S though

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

236 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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kmpowell said:
mrmichaelsankey said:
Still sell like hot cakes, if you can get an allocation, which are probably all gone for the next 18 months.
Is that the case with the GTS?

I had a quick look at used examples, and they appear to be circa £95k for a 17plate 991 at an OPC, so I'm assuming that getting hold of a 992 is going to be nigh on impossible and they'll go to preferred customers, hence why used values of the old model are so strong, if not then why would anyone spend £95k on a 3year old car when a brand new one is only £20k more, which at that price point is not a lot...?


Edited by kmpowell on Thursday 24th June 18:01
Add £10-15k of options. You can't buy a stripper unless you never want to sell.

kmpowell

2,961 posts

230 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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SidewaysSi said:
kmpowell said:
mrmichaelsankey said:
Still sell like hot cakes, if you can get an allocation, which are probably all gone for the next 18 months.
Is that the case with the GTS?

I had a quick look at used examples, and they appear to be circa £95k for a 17plate 991 at an OPC, so I'm assuming that getting hold of a 992 is going to be nigh on impossible and they'll go to preferred customers, hence why used values of the old model are so strong, if not then why would anyone spend £95k on a 3year old car when a brand new one is only £20k more, which at that price point is not a lot...?
Add £10-15k of options. You can't buy a stripper unless you never want to sell.
2017 £92k - https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/911-Carrera-GT...
Brand new £115k - http://www.porsche-code.com/PNUQ5UT4

The difference is still only c£22k
The GTS is well specced out the box, so in my build what am i missing that in your eyes makes it a 'stripper' and unsellable?