RE: Porsche reveals new 911 Carrera GTS
Discussion
dgswk said:
Lovely lovely thing, in manual, lightweight interior package on it, add the aero pack, maybe carbon roof and select the shark blue paint. Wheels look fine to me.
Obviously, not as sharp a steer as the new GT3 would be, but looks like one to the uninitiated, more than good enough for most of us and none of the shenanigans required to get it.
£120k with a bit of BOSE for cruising days.
As others have said, 480bhp really isn't needed in one of these, so probably a < 400bhp 992-T for me - if such a thing ever comes out and isn't subject to the new speed limiting regs for type approvals post May '22.
Hi the speed regs is that actually a thing , was aware of the proposal didn't realise it had become fact , that probably means no more new cars for me
Obviously, not as sharp a steer as the new GT3 would be, but looks like one to the uninitiated, more than good enough for most of us and none of the shenanigans required to get it.
£120k with a bit of BOSE for cruising days.
As others have said, 480bhp really isn't needed in one of these, so probably a < 400bhp 992-T for me - if such a thing ever comes out and isn't subject to the new speed limiting regs for type approvals post May '22.
Hi the speed regs is that actually a thing , was aware of the proposal didn't realise it had become fact , that probably means no more new cars for me
RSTurboPaul said:
ddom said:
It's strange how Porsche push this as a 'lightweight' when it's still 1500kg? Surely if half of that interior tat was removed it would be closer to the mark?
+125kg removed is not 'lightweighting'.
So to me it is lightweight in relation to the above. I reckon light / heavy is relative. It was never going to weigh the same as a Caterham.
RSTurboPaul said:
ddom said:
It's strange how Porsche push this as a 'lightweight' when it's still 1500kg? Surely if half of that interior tat was removed it would be closer to the mark?
+125kg removed is not 'lightweighting'.
So I spec’d my Jan 21 C4S as a GTS…. £18k difference.
I’d delete the SPASM, too hard for uk roads
I’d have the RS wheels, 5 lugs better than centre locks
Add the techno gumpf like RWS and PDCC.
Glass roof, nice interior, other odds and sods.
I’m not seeing, for me anyway, £18k difference as a bargain for another 40bhp and a little more torque, in a car that already has way enough power and handles just fine.
It’s a statement car… top of the carrera lineup but, bragging rights over a normal or S, but I can hear the “well it’s almost turbo quick!” It’s not a turbo, it’s a bragging rights carrera.
Still sell like hot cakes, if you can get an allocation, which are probably all gone for the next 18 months.
I’d delete the SPASM, too hard for uk roads
I’d have the RS wheels, 5 lugs better than centre locks
Add the techno gumpf like RWS and PDCC.
Glass roof, nice interior, other odds and sods.
I’m not seeing, for me anyway, £18k difference as a bargain for another 40bhp and a little more torque, in a car that already has way enough power and handles just fine.
It’s a statement car… top of the carrera lineup but, bragging rights over a normal or S, but I can hear the “well it’s almost turbo quick!” It’s not a turbo, it’s a bragging rights carrera.
Still sell like hot cakes, if you can get an allocation, which are probably all gone for the next 18 months.
mrmichaelsankey said:
It’s not a turbo, it’s a bragging rights carrera.
It might not be a Turbo but as it has a turbo ,a quick visit to Lichfield and parting and with just under a £1000 will give you exactly the same power (572bhp) as a Turbo.Yeah I know - warranty, new car blah blah blah. Meh.
Edited by sidesauce on Thursday 24th June 12:10
sidesauce said:
mrmichaelsankey said:
It’s not a turbo, it’s a bragging rights carrera.
It might not be a Turbo but as it has a turbo ,a quick visit to Lichfield and parting and with just under a £1000 will give you exactly the same power (572bhp) as a Turbo.Yeah I know - warranty, new car blah blah blah. Meh.
Edited by sidesauce on Thursday 24th June 12:10
nickfrog said:
I am really surprised they've kept the weight so low considering its size, power, brakes, spec, safety etc.
So to me it is lightweight in relation to the above. I reckon light / heavy is relative. It was never going to weigh the same as a Caterham.
No, but -25kg is just a BS ‘Porsche Tax’ that some will fall for. I’m sure they could get the weight down, but it’s mean making a more compromised car, so likely wouldn’t go down with their target audience of those who want a GT but won’t pay for one. So to me it is lightweight in relation to the above. I reckon light / heavy is relative. It was never going to weigh the same as a Caterham.
ddom said:
No, but -25kg is just a BS ‘Porsche Tax’ that some will fall for. I’m sure they could get the weight down, but it’s mean making a more compromised car, so likely wouldn’t go down with their target audience of those who want a GT but won’t pay for one.
I reckon it's only a Porsche tax if you want that option. But as it is optional, you don't have to pay it.As for the demographic who buy these cars, as ever, generalisations and pigeon holing are a little short sighted. I actually think the 911 has become the best compromise between GT and sports car, in a surprisingly light package for what it is.
mrmichaelsankey said:
Still sell like hot cakes, if you can get an allocation, which are probably all gone for the next 18 months.
Is that the case with the GTS? I had a quick look at used examples, and they appear to be circa £95k for a 17plate 991 at an OPC, so I'm assuming that getting hold of a 992 is going to be nigh on impossible and they'll go to preferred customers, hence why used values of the old model are so strong, if not then why would anyone spend £95k on a 3year old car when a brand new one is only £20k more, which at that price point is not a lot...?
Edited by kmpowell on Thursday 24th June 18:01
ddom said:
It's strange how Porsche push this as a 'lightweight' when it's still 1500kg? Surely if half of that interior tat was removed it would be closer to the mark?
that's what they do, the cayman T is I think statistically the least reduction of weight for a lightweight edition ever - at some point i'll get round to making a spreadsheet showing itkmpowell said:
mrmichaelsankey said:
Still sell like hot cakes, if you can get an allocation, which are probably all gone for the next 18 months.
Is that the case with the GTS? I had a quick look at used examples, and they appear to be circa £95k for a 17plate 991 at an OPC, so I'm assuming that getting hold of a 992 is going to be nigh on impossible and they'll go to preferred customers, hence why used values of the old model are so strong, if not then why would anyone spend £95k on a 3year old car when a brand new one is only £20k more, which at that price point is not a lot...?
Edited by kmpowell on Thursday 24th June 18:01
SidewaysSi said:
kmpowell said:
mrmichaelsankey said:
Still sell like hot cakes, if you can get an allocation, which are probably all gone for the next 18 months.
Is that the case with the GTS? I had a quick look at used examples, and they appear to be circa £95k for a 17plate 991 at an OPC, so I'm assuming that getting hold of a 992 is going to be nigh on impossible and they'll go to preferred customers, hence why used values of the old model are so strong, if not then why would anyone spend £95k on a 3year old car when a brand new one is only £20k more, which at that price point is not a lot...?
Brand new £115k - http://www.porsche-code.com/PNUQ5UT4
The difference is still only c£22k
The GTS is well specced out the box, so in my build what am i missing that in your eyes makes it a 'stripper' and unsellable?
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