RE: Integra positioned for comeback

[Koolkat969]

ambuletz said:

can they just bring the civic coupe here. would love do own that.

Hopefully, the Integra looks more like this...

[TameRacingDriver]

Koolkat969 said:

Jonstar said:

GroundEffect said:

They're fantastic drivers cars, but quite poor day to day (all parts of NVH were on HIGH). The Z4M was not as good a drivers car but had its own charm, whilst being comfortable and well appointed.

I can see why they didn't do a Type R of the NSX - no one really wants to have their bones shaked in a car you might use a lot of the time. And the NSX is trying to be the everyday supercar.

Yep the lightness makes them feel poorly made with the lack of soundproofing and dreary interior, very much a car made for driving hard only.

That's part of its charm in my opinion. I like the feeling of a race car on the road - the less creature comforts the better. I feel more connected to such cars and if money were no object, I would love to daily something like a 996 gt3 RS or an Alfaholics gta-r.

Some people like the complete opposite of that but that's just fine also.

I must say that while I did think my DC2 was relatively raw, I sometimes think people overplay this a little. I actually found mine quite comfortable, and not particularly unrefined, it didn't rattle or creak, maybe I had a good one. Sure, it was no 3-series (despite being a similar size), but for the most part, it was a fine car to drive around town and on the country roads. Motorways not so much (70mph = > 4000 rpm). That didn't stop it from being an absolute howl. Having gone in a few Elises though, they are nowhere near as raw as those, just as an example. I totally agree though that they're a car with a single purpose only - to drive flat out!

[aaron_2000]

It'll be some flavour of generic overstyled crossover with equally generic running gear, likely some "mild hybrid" hooked up to a tiny petrol engine. I guess churning out generic crossovers and slapping some unrelated nostalgic name on them isn't just for Ford anymore.

[aaron_2000]

SidewaysSi said:

So we have Countach and Integra. What next, the Orion and Cavalier?

The would require them to sell cars without bullst meaningless names. Who wants good names like Orion, Cavalier, Monza, Sierra etc when you can have a Kadjar, T-ROC, Lodgy, Eniyaq or some other computer generated "inoffensive" name.

[Koolkat969]

TameRacingDriver said:

Koolkat969 said:

Jonstar said:

GroundEffect said:

They're fantastic drivers cars, but quite poor day to day (all parts of NVH were on HIGH). The Z4M was not as good a drivers car but had its own charm, whilst being comfortable and well appointed.

I can see why they didn't do a Type R of the NSX - no one really wants to have their bones shaked in a car you might use a lot of the time. And the NSX is trying to be the everyday supercar.

Yep the lightness makes them feel poorly made with the lack of soundproofing and dreary interior, very much a car made for driving hard only.

That's part of its charm in my opinion. I like the feeling of a race car on the road - the less creature comforts the better. I feel more connected to such cars and if money were no object, I would love to daily something like a 996 gt3 RS or an Alfaholics gta-r.

Some people like the complete opposite of that but that's just fine also.

I must say that while I did think my DC2 was relatively raw, I sometimes think people overplay this a little. I actually found mine quite comfortable, and not particularly unrefined, it didn't rattle or creak, maybe I had a good one. Sure, it was no 3-series (despite being a similar size), but for the most part, it was a fine car to drive around town and on the country roads. Motorways not so much (70mph = > 4000 rpm). That didn't stop it from being an absolute howl. Having gone in a few Elises though, they are nowhere near as raw as those, just as an example. I totally agree though that they're a car with a single purpose only - to drive flat out!

I agree, definitely not as raw as an Elise or a Caterham for that matter and yes is actually comfortable in standard form.

Mine however is slightly modified and stiffened in places - Hardrace engine mounts and drop links, Ultra racing front fender braces, Spoon front under brace and rear brace, Mugen intake box, manifold and twin loop exhaust - and a few more choice mods though it looks standard in appearance.

These mods in my opinion amplify the driving experience so whilst not as raw as an Elise, it's definitely a more raw experience than in standard form in my case.

[rodericb]

Koolkat969 said:

SuperPav said:

What will be interesting is if this model is a US development or a Japan development. If the former, there is no chance it will be coming over to Europe.

The last NSX was a US development and that came over to Europe so no reason why the Integra shouldn't do the same if developed in the US.

There are a lot more US Hondas/Acuras (Acuri? Acurae?) which are left hand drive only. All the Acura models except the NSX for starters.

[Jader1973]

Honda are about 5 years or so behind the rest with the move to hybrid and EV so I’m hoping that this last generation of pure ICE Hondas are going to be the best yet. So the Integra (which I think will be US only given Acura made the announcement) and the next Type R (assuming there is one) will go out on a high as they farewell ICE.

[Hellbound]

These spy shots were discredited by Acura back in February but it’s clear they’re legitimate.



That belt line below the glass house is very Fiat Coupe/Alfa Romeo GTV. There’s definitely an attempt at making it a pretty or delicate car which I find Italian in nature.

The renders I’ve found relating to these spy shots are bloody awful though.

I think this is going to be a successor to the CRZ.

[ChrisW.]

I was out in mine yesterday.

'Owned one new in the day and found a one family owner car with 33000 miles on the clock, not driven since 2007 so needing a little TLC ...

It completely lived up to my very fond memories. Great quality engineering from a much simpler time, the aircon needs re-gassing, the fuel gauge has come back to life, and the windscreen washers need clearing out ...

But it still rides firmly beautifully, handles well on its new period boots, and has a slick gear change with rather busy gearing. But hold on to a gear and run it to the 8400rpm red line (in full knowledge that they were built to run to 9000) ... and it sounds glorious at very sensible speeds !

To my eye the first edition UK cars with their twin headlights, in white with red seats ... and of course a low number limited edition badge ... are the heart-string pull that so beguiled me when the Integra R branding first landed in the UK.

Then there is the titanium gear lever knob ... with red imprint ...

A much prettier car than the later Civic R's that followed ... and I believe our introduction to 1.8R V-Tec (corrected thanks !)

Edited by ChrisW. on Monday 16th August 10:38

[TameRacingDriver]

My 98 spec JDM revved to 9000 rpm, 8200 seems a little low?

[Debaser]

I’m preparing myself to be disappointed that it doesn’t have a high revving screamer NA engine.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

ChrisW. said:

I was out in mine yesterday.

'Owned one new in the day and found a one family owner car with 33000 miles on the clock, not driven since 2007 so needing a little TLC ...

It completely lived up to my very fond memories. Great quality engineering from a much simper time, the aircon needs re-gassing, the fuel gauge has come back to life, and the windscreen washers need clearing out ...

But it still rides firmly beautifully, handles well on its new period boots, and has a slick gear change with rather busy gearing. But hold on to a gear and run it to the 8200rpm red line (in full knowledge that they were built to run to 9000) ... and it sounds glorious at very sensible speeds !

To my eye the first edition UK cars with their twin headlights, in white with red seats ... and of course a low number limited edition badge ... are the heart-string pull that so beguiled me when the Integra R branding first landed in the UK.

Then there is the titanium gear lever knob ... with red imprint ...

A much prettier car than the later Civic R's that followed ... and I believe our introduction to V-Tec !

First V-TEC was actually a few years prior to the DC2, B16 first appeared in the EE and EF civic and CRX in 1990 and badged
as a VT in the UK.

[Terminator X]

Looking forward to this having owned a DC2 then a DC5.

TX.

[KPB1973]

And to think, at the time the DC2 was around, you could choose between 6 Honda coupes on the new and nearly-new market - not even including the NSX.

CRX, Civic, Integra, Prelude, Accord or Legend.

[Koolkat969]

KPB1973 said:

And to think, at the time the DC2 was around, you could choose between 6 Honda coupes on the new and nearly-new market - not even including the NSX.

CRX, Civic, Integra, Prelude, Accord or Legend.

Yes, amazing choices back then. Got the Integra and Prelude coupe but only managed to get a Del Sol crx even though I really wanted the hatchback or coupe..... Whichever is appropriate. I really wanted the VT but they were always out of my price range and seem to suffer rust more.
Only ever got my civics in hatchback as I was never a fan of the coupes.

Did enjoy my del sols though as just putting my Tescos shopping in the boot was an event in itself with the electric boot. The roof combo was equally impressive. Finally swapped it for a manual targa roof as I was worried of it going faulty plus the lesser weight reduction helped the driving experience. Amazing pocket rockets.... used to bounce off the limiters with no issues and I never settled for less than a vti. Still wouldn't say no to a crx today put prices for the hatch in good condition are crazy! The del sols however can still be picked up today for reasonable prices but still has to be a vti for me.

[ChrisW.]

Pastor Of Muppets said:

First V-TEC was actually a few years prior to the DC2, B16 first appeared in the EE and EF civic and CRX in 1990 and badged
as a VT in the UK.

Thanks for the correction, noted.

B18C6 (Type R) DOHC VTEC

Found in: 1998–2001 Honda Integra UKDM/EUDM Type R
Displacement: 1,797 cc (109.7 cu in)
Compression: 11.1:1
Air intake diameter: 62 mm (2.4 in)
Bore: 81 mm (3.2 in)
Stroke: 87.2 mm (3.4 in)
Rod Length: 137.9 mm (5.4 in)
Rod/Stroke Ratio: 1.58
Power: 190 PS (139.7 kW) @ 7900 rpm & 131 lb⋅ft (178 N⋅m) @ 7300 rpm
Redline: 8400 rpm
Rev-limiter: 8600 rpm
VTEC engagement: 5900 rpm
Transmission: S80 w/LSD

Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 15th August 14:27

[rwindmill]

GroundEffect said:

rwindmill said:

It will be a mild-hybrid SUV/Crossover, with a few styling nods to the original car (white paint, red seats, crinkle finish paint on the cam cover).

All manufacturers know, that if you release anything other than an SUV/Crossover these days, it just wont sell (I mean, be leased).

I'm honestly amazed Ford haven't announced the re-release of the 'Escort' yet!!

The Escort is still for sale...

You learn something new everyday......................

I see from Wikipedia that its been available since 2015 in the Chinese, Taiwanese and Middle eastern markets.

Based on the pictures, it looks like a slightly shrunken Mk4 Mondeo (but based on the 2nd gen Focus platform)

[Turn7]

rwindmill said:

GroundEffect said:

rwindmill said:

It will be a mild-hybrid SUV/Crossover, with a few styling nods to the original car (white paint, red seats, crinkle finish paint on the cam cover).

All manufacturers know, that if you release anything other than an SUV/Crossover these days, it just wont sell (I mean, be leased).

I'm honestly amazed Ford haven't announced the re-release of the 'Escort' yet!!

The Escort is still for sale...

You learn something new everyday......................

I see from Wikipedia that its been available since 2015 in the Chinese, Taiwanese and Middle eastern markets.

Based on the pictures, it looks like a slightly shrunken Mk4 Mondeo (but based on the 2nd gen Focus platform)

So is the Puma.......

[aaron_2000]

Turn7 said:

rwindmill said:

GroundEffect said:

rwindmill said:

It will be a mild-hybrid SUV/Crossover, with a few styling nods to the original car (white paint, red seats, crinkle finish paint on the cam cover).

All manufacturers know, that if you release anything other than an SUV/Crossover these days, it just wont sell (I mean, be leased).

I'm honestly amazed Ford haven't announced the re-release of the 'Escort' yet!!

The Escort is still for sale...

You learn something new everyday......................

I see from Wikipedia that its been available since 2015 in the Chinese, Taiwanese and Middle eastern markets.

Based on the pictures, it looks like a slightly shrunken Mk4 Mondeo (but based on the 2nd gen Focus platform)

So is the Puma.......

So is the Fiesta.....................................

[Turn7]

aaron_2000 said:

So is the Fiesta.....................................

Missed my point....the Fiesta is, at least, still a small family car, the Puma is now an SUV or whatever they call them this week...