Lemming cyclist faceplants into hedge...

[anonymous-user]

Lots of posters on this thread defending the LR driver are displaying an attitude that amounts to “I don’t care about other road users - they can look after themselves”.

The LR driver was charged with driving without due care and attention. Not surprising.

The fact that the direct cause of the cyclist’s fall was not unclipping fast enough when the rider in front of her stopped doesn’t matter. The focus in a criminal charge is on the driver’s driving. He didn’t slow down and he didn’t move over when faced with vulnerable road users on a narrow road. Even if all the cyclists had stopped and unclipped, hammering past them that close deserves sanction.

[Theraveda]

Depressing to see the bigoted willy-waving on both "sides" here.

Two idiots meet;

- LR should have stopped/slowed to a crawl.

- Cyclist not competent to be on the roads (she fell over because she didn't/couldn't unclip.)

[Getragdogleg]

I'd have stopped just because I wouldn't have trusted the cyclists to not do something daft or unpredictable and then blamed me.

Exactly like shown in the video.

I am suspicious of them, and horses.

[monthou]

Slow said:

Living on single track lanes, that is how I would pass every day. As does everyone else I know up here including posties, log lorrys, delivery drivers etc. You follow them and thats how everyone drives.

I've cycled on enough single track lanes over the years to say that pass was crap. And not 'the way everybody drives.'

[kambites]

Theraveda said:

Depressing to see the bigoted willy-waving on both "sides" here.

Are you reading the same thread as me? I don't think I've seen anyone on "the cyclist's side" (it's rather pathetic that anyone even sees "sides" in this sort of situation really) saying that it wasn't at least mostly the cyclist's own fault she fell off. The question is whether the driver was driving poorly enough to be prosecuted for it, and the huge majority on here seem to agree that he was, regardless of whether the cyclist fell off or not.

However incompetent the cyclist was, I'm genuinely rather concerned that anyone with a driving licence would believe that the Land Rover driver did nothing wrong!

Edited by kambites on Thursday 31st March 18:02

[Slow]

monthou said:

Slow said:

Living on single track lanes, that is how I would pass every day. As does everyone else I know up here including posties, log lorrys, delivery drivers etc. You follow them and thats how everyone drives.

I've cycled on enough single track lanes over the years to say that pass was crap. And not 'the way everybody drives.'

Maybe its a north of Scotland thing.

[Theraveda]

kambites said:

Theraveda said:

Depressing to see the bigoted willy-waving on both "sides" here.

Are you reading the same thread as me? I don't think I've seen anyone on "the cyclist's side" (it's rather pathetic that anyone even sees "sides" in this sort of situation really) saying that it wasn't at least mostly the cyclist's own fault she fell off. The question is whether the driver was driving poorly enough to be prosecuted for it, and the huge majority on here seem to agree that he was, regardless of whether the cyclist fell off or not.

Why did you delete the text where I agreed with you?

What do you think the significance of the quotation marks around "sides" are? Could it be that the word is, in this context, hyperbole? (Not meant to be taken literally).

So, did you have a point? What was it? Other than some rather sad point scoring.

[Red9zero]

Getragdogleg said:

I'd have stopped just because I wouldn't have trusted the cyclists to not do something daft or unpredictable and then blamed me.

Exactly like shown in the video.

I am suspicious of them, and horses.

Same here. I also have a Defender (a 90 actually) and realise how much damage they could do to a cyclist, so I would have stopped or driven past at walking pace.

[monthou]

Slow said:

monthou said:

Slow said:

Living on single track lanes, that is how I would pass every day. As does everyone else I know up here including posties, log lorrys, delivery drivers etc. You follow them and thats how everyone drives.

I've cycled on enough single track lanes over the years to say that pass was crap. And not 'the way everybody drives.'

Maybe its a north of Scotland thing.

I've never cycled in Scotland so I can't say you're wrong. In England that's stty driving every day of the week.

[anonymous-user]

Slow said:

Living on single track lanes, that is how I would pass every day. As does everyone else I know up here including posties, log lorrys, delivery drivers etc. You follow them and thats how everyone drives.

Not really a winning approach though. A bit like saying that you spend a lot of time on the M40 and slot in with everyone else driving between 80 and 100.

[Gilhooligan]

Antony Moxey said:

Can’t see the Land Rover did anything wrong TBH. It appears she fell over because the cyclist in front stopped, she wasn’t expecting it and couldn’t unclip in time. I’d say the blame was with the cyclist in front, who managed to not fall over. I speak as both a cyclist and motorist.

If you can’t see how the LR did anything wrong then you’re not a very good driver.

[Johnnytheboy]

<gets giant bag of popcorn, makes self comfy>

[kambites]

Theraveda said:

So, did you have a point? What was it? Other than some rather sad point scoring.

My point was that I can't see any "bigoted willy waving" or indeed anything from the "bike side" at all.

Seems to me that there's a lot of sensible people, most of whom aren't cyclists, saying the driver was a moron who deserved to be prosecuted, and a couple of oddities saying they don't think the driver did anything wrong. I thought there had been a remarkable lack of "willy waving" all round to be honest. Especially by PH standards!

Edited by kambites on Thursday 31st March 18:16

[aizvara]

Looks to me like the Land Rover driver was a bit too fast for the space available. I guess the court agreed.
Regardless of legality, whenever I'm in that sort of situation with cyclists, pedestrians, horses, or whatever, I slow right down. Even if they've got off the road into the verge. I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't?

[carinaman]

The woman should sue her parents for not teaching her how to ride a push bike when she was kid or making sure she got her cycling proficiency certificate.

It's got two wheels and pedals. It's a bicycle not a horse.

[anonymous-user]

FourWheelDrift said:

Garbage, she fell off because she didn't put a foot down, like the other two did.

Let me paint you a rather different picture:

Instead of falling left, she falls right, and her head hits the landrovers solid steel bumper as it passes at 25 mph, killing her.

In both cases, what actually happened and leading to practically no injury, and my hypothetical but entirely possible one where she dies she made a simple mistake, she failed, for whatever reason to unclip.

Are you saying that a death penalty for that sort of minor mistake is OK?

I bet you a large sum opf money if your wife/daughter/significant other was killed by falling into the path of an inconciderate driver your opinion would be wilding different..........

[FiF]

When incompetents meet, LR should have stopped or at best crawled past with two wheels a bit further up onto the verge. I would have stopped.

Cyclist incompetent, the LR did not injure her, she fell off due to lead cyclist stopping, her too close, not able to unclip, gravity saying "I'm having you!"

In the circumstances 5 points and over £1200 in fine, costs, victim surcharge feels a bit harsh.

[Shappers24]

Interesting video. Defender appears to be going too quickly but often hard to tell with these helmet cameras.

What concerns me more is the cyclists inability to unclip in a hurry sees her end up in a ditch. If that happened on a busy road and she needed to do a quick stop she could end up under a bus.

[Slow]

Max_Torque said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Garbage, she fell off because she didn't put a foot down, like the other two did.

Let me paint you a rather different picture:

Instead of falling left, she falls right, and her head hits the landrovers solid steel bumper as it passes at 25 mph, killing her.

In both cases, what actually happened and leading to practically no injury, and my hypothetical but entirely possible one where she dies she made a simple mistake, she failed, for whatever reason to unclip.

Are you saying that a death penalty for that sort of minor mistake is OK?

I bet you a large sum opf money if your wife/daughter/significant other was killed by falling into the path of an inconciderate driver your opinion would be wilding different..........

If your driving at 30 mph next to a pavement and someone falls in front of your car its the same exact thing. If you arent comfortable being able to stop on your bike maybe you shouldnt be on the roads until you are comfortable with stopping without falling over.

[CABC]

he drove too fast. simple.

But, Land Rover - why didn't he use some verge?