RE: 2023 Cupra Leon 300 vs Hyundai i30 N
Discussion
We got an i30n for the wife, she loves a hot hatch. I think it's a very good fun car and isnt too serious.
We got it new end of 21 on a cancelled order for a good price.
She bought a handbag in the same baby blue colour so she matches, i found amusing and daft, but she likes to match.
The fuel consumption does seem to baffle me on long runs, but its pretty much the same as her old fn2 type r and when used hard was the same as the new type r.... I suppose its just the cruising consumption.
One thing i find odd about it is that the throttle isnt particular linear... So in its highest mode, 20% throttle gets 20% power, 60% throttle gets 40% power, 90% gets 50% power, then 100% throttle gets 100% power.
We got it new end of 21 on a cancelled order for a good price.
She bought a handbag in the same baby blue colour so she matches, i found amusing and daft, but she likes to match.
The fuel consumption does seem to baffle me on long runs, but its pretty much the same as her old fn2 type r and when used hard was the same as the new type r.... I suppose its just the cruising consumption.
One thing i find odd about it is that the throttle isnt particular linear... So in its highest mode, 20% throttle gets 20% power, 60% throttle gets 40% power, 90% gets 50% power, then 100% throttle gets 100% power.
I’m warming to the Hyundai.
It looks like what many of us seem to crave, a proper old-school hot hatch.
Mid-upper £30k’s seems to be the going rate (although I still think it’s a lot of money). In reality it’s £20k less than a new Civic Type R.
Not too precious to enjoy.
Bet it’s far more of a blast than my 420i.
It’s got me thinking…
Not blue though… too Man City.
It looks like what many of us seem to crave, a proper old-school hot hatch.
Mid-upper £30k’s seems to be the going rate (although I still think it’s a lot of money). In reality it’s £20k less than a new Civic Type R.
Not too precious to enjoy.
Bet it’s far more of a blast than my 420i.
It’s got me thinking…
Not blue though… too Man City.
Gez79 said:
the-norseman said:
fantheman80 said:
The i30N all day long. Oh Seat, I mean Cupra, where did it all go so bland...so boring.... After the gorgeous Mk1, to the equally tasty Cupra R and ST ABT versions last model...its come to this. The euro cars get brembo brakes, a cupra button on the wheel and other bits, so even they've admitted defeat on the UK market it seems...
Appears they have done more cost saving now by not even including an engine cover!Just as they don’t know when or even if the software update that’s needed to stop the infotainment randomly hanging will materialise.
At one time Skoda’s “VAG bits” were seen as a selling point, but it seems these are letting the side down a bit at the moment.
i30 is an easy choice here. In reality, it's probably the pick of the segment now. The Civic is basically unobtainable, so that's out. The Golf has a pretty poor interior, the Leon is dull, while the Focus isn't long for this world (and the facelift has made it a bit of an ugly duckling too).
It's sad that the Leon has fallen so far. The early cars, while not the best, were fun and looked good. The last generation car toned down the looks, but was a great drive. This one has a whiff of MK4 Golf about it - competent but boring. What a shame.
It's sad that the Leon has fallen so far. The early cars, while not the best, were fun and looked good. The last generation car toned down the looks, but was a great drive. This one has a whiff of MK4 Golf about it - competent but boring. What a shame.
A shame for Seat (Cupra) but it seems most German firms seem to be failing abysmally in the styling department lately.
Quite why SEAT would make a car that looked as good as the Leon Cupra ST R and then replace it with this awkward looking blobby and forgettable shape is beyond me.
It’s the same with the new RS3 (swathes of cheap looking gloss black plastic, losing the gear lever and adding gimmicky rubbish like changeable cabin lighting and Ali express headlight tricks) suggests manufacturers are adding tat to try and justify hiking the prices to overinflated levels.
Meanwhile over at BMW, M seem determined to make every new car significantly uglier and heavier than its predecessor but I’m not seeing many on the road, which hopefully suggests some of the British public (who haven’t bought a jelly mould crossover) might still have taste.
Quite why SEAT would make a car that looked as good as the Leon Cupra ST R and then replace it with this awkward looking blobby and forgettable shape is beyond me.
It’s the same with the new RS3 (swathes of cheap looking gloss black plastic, losing the gear lever and adding gimmicky rubbish like changeable cabin lighting and Ali express headlight tricks) suggests manufacturers are adding tat to try and justify hiking the prices to overinflated levels.
Meanwhile over at BMW, M seem determined to make every new car significantly uglier and heavier than its predecessor but I’m not seeing many on the road, which hopefully suggests some of the British public (who haven’t bought a jelly mould crossover) might still have taste.
Seano1878 said:
Facelift i30N is a big improvement over pre facelift for anyone who only had experience of the old car. It pulls much harder across the rev range, with the new larger twin scroll turbo pretty much every car that has had baseline dyno runs done has been around 290bhp with a few at 300 or so, the pre facelift commonly produced less than quoted. Forged alloys and change to front camber has made turn in massively better compared to my old one, N Light seats are also mega!
The fuel consumption is comical though, it’s an old engine design and actually uses a closed deck version of the old Evo X 4B11T block (it was semi closed in the Evo) which gives you an idea of the age of the design, although it’s solid with plenty of facelift cars now running 400bhp and one on the UK owners group that was tuned in Germany producing just short of 500bhp. I’m happy with mine as is but it’s a decent upper limit.
I adore mine, manual in performance blue, ridiculously playful especially with the current wet or cold roads and the exhaust note is addictive, my brother has a GRY and loves my i30N, from a roll on a dual carriageway they’re pretty similar although the N wouldn’t see where the GRY went on most occasions. He always comments on the burbles and crackles even at low speed. Ideally I’d like both in my garage soon, perfect two car garage for me.
Just to add, I ordered mine last September and paid 32k for a fully optioned manual, collected in Jan. I feel it’s a bargain compared to most other modern hot hatches.
Very interesting about the evo block, thanks. While all modern cars are getting quieter, like the RS3 and A45 where OEMs claims it’s the opf and regs etc, Hyundai seem to get away with the pop and bang exhaust which is great. But my question is, is the facelift the same comedy artillery fire volume than the original? Or is it a tad quieter? Ta The fuel consumption is comical though, it’s an old engine design and actually uses a closed deck version of the old Evo X 4B11T block (it was semi closed in the Evo) which gives you an idea of the age of the design, although it’s solid with plenty of facelift cars now running 400bhp and one on the UK owners group that was tuned in Germany producing just short of 500bhp. I’m happy with mine as is but it’s a decent upper limit.
I adore mine, manual in performance blue, ridiculously playful especially with the current wet or cold roads and the exhaust note is addictive, my brother has a GRY and loves my i30N, from a roll on a dual carriageway they’re pretty similar although the N wouldn’t see where the GRY went on most occasions. He always comments on the burbles and crackles even at low speed. Ideally I’d like both in my garage soon, perfect two car garage for me.
Just to add, I ordered mine last September and paid 32k for a fully optioned manual, collected in Jan. I feel it’s a bargain compared to most other modern hot hatches.
Edited by Seano1878 on Saturday 25th February 19:31
fantheman80 said:
Very interesting about the evo block, thanks. While all modern cars are getting quieter, like the RS3 and A45 where OEMs claims it’s the opf and regs etc, Hyundai seem to get away with the pop and bang exhaust which is great. But my question is, is the facelift the same comedy artillery fire volume than the original? Or is it a tad quieter? Ta
I’ll be honest, I don’t know how they got away with it. Even with the valves closed a cold start is loud. Once up to temp up to about 3000rpm you get plenty of burbles and the odd small snap on the up shift or when you lift off, 1st to second at high revs you get one or two bangs but most happen when you’re on it in higher gears. The old car used to constantly bang. I know it’s still programmed in but feels more natural now. I honestly don’t know why people get GPF deletes on these tbh as I feel it would be stupidly loud.You can’t leave it in N mode when cruising on the motorway though as the drone is pretty bad, easily popped back into normal setting, just don’t remember the drone being as bad on my pfl. I’ve had a lot of people ask is it the stock exhaust. I had a Remus on my old one but don’t feel the need on this one but maybe that’s just me being nearer to 30 than 20 now.
I had also forgotten how much positive attention they get, only had it just over a month and I’ve had loads of interactions with people, all good apart from my neighbour scowling out her window one morning a 5:30!
mcelliott said:
Leave mine in N mode down the motorway just a few thunderous bangs on lift off, numerous trips to the alps where it performed amazing, I think the newer ones are defo quieter,
Is yours the DCT or Manual? I’ve had a couple cars between my two but feel like new one burbles much more, less pops and bangs and they’re possibly a bit more muted but still feels a bit asbo! I bet the DCT drones less in N mode with the extra two gears. I used to drive mine A to B in Normal mode. Rides comfortably, exhaust is pretty quiet, but still goes/handles nicely.
For more enjoyable roads, I created a Custom N mode, with everything on max attack except the dampers and steering (both backed off a notch). Easily accessed by 'double clicking' the N button on the steering wheel.
Full N mode might work in Germany and other countries where the authorities actually bother to invest in, maintain and repair the road surfaces, but not here.
I liked the configurability of the car. Once you find what works for you, it can be saved, and then retrieved with a simple double click of a steering wheel button after start up. It's simplicity itself.
For more enjoyable roads, I created a Custom N mode, with everything on max attack except the dampers and steering (both backed off a notch). Easily accessed by 'double clicking' the N button on the steering wheel.
Full N mode might work in Germany and other countries where the authorities actually bother to invest in, maintain and repair the road surfaces, but not here.
I liked the configurability of the car. Once you find what works for you, it can be saved, and then retrieved with a simple double click of a steering wheel button after start up. It's simplicity itself.
fantheman80 said:
The i30N all day long. Oh Seat, I mean Cupra, where did it all go so bland...so boring.... After the gorgeous Mk1, to the equally tasty Cupra R and ST ABT versions last model...its come to this. The euro cars get brembo brakes, a cupra button on the wheel and other bits, so even they've admitted defeat on the UK market it seems...
Yep, the Mk3 Leon Cupra R hatch and estates were definitely the (all too brief) high point, particularly the former with its manual box. A time when both looks and performance came together beautifully for a tiny production run.Torqu3steer said:
fantheman80 said:
The i30N all day long. Oh Seat, I mean Cupra, where did it all go so bland...so boring.... After the gorgeous Mk1, to the equally tasty Cupra R and ST ABT versions last model...its come to this. The euro cars get brembo brakes, a cupra button on the wheel and other bits, so even they've admitted defeat on the UK market it seems...
Yep, the Mk3 Leon Cupra R hatch and estates were definitely the (all too brief) high point, particularly the former with its manual box. A time when both looks and performance came together beautifully for a tiny production run.Seano1878 said:
mcelliott said:
Leave mine in N mode down the motorway just a few thunderous bangs on lift off, numerous trips to the alps where it performed amazing, I think the newer ones are defo quieter,
Is yours the DCT or Manual? I’ve had a couple cars between my two but feel like new one burbles much more, less pops and bangs and they’re possibly a bit more muted but still feels a bit asbo! I bet the DCT drones less in N mode with the extra two gears. NGK210 said:
Why is the i30N such a fuel guzzler?
On the same Somerset to London roundtrip, I’ve seen low-30s in an N, high-30s in a Mk7 R and low-40s in an FK8.
It’s as if the N went back to 2003 for its map.
Three reason:On the same Somerset to London roundtrip, I’ve seen low-30s in an N, high-30s in a Mk7 R and low-40s in an FK8.
It’s as if the N went back to 2003 for its map.
1. Car computer reports too high consumption. Mine shows 8.5litres per 100km (33mpg) but reality is 7.9 litres (35.7mpg). In the long runs mpg is over 40mpg but car still shows 33.... ??
2. Drive modes. These does make the differense. Eco and normal gives you much better mpg than sport or N modes.
3. Short trips kill mpg. I30N does have quite a lot oil and cooling liquids, so it does take some time to warm up properly.
Great car. Fun, fast and it is a good road trip car. Mine is fastback.
Limpet said:
I used to drive mine A to B in Normal mode. Rides comfortably, exhaust is pretty quiet, but still goes/handles nicely.
For more enjoyable roads, I created a Custom N mode, with everything on max attack except the dampers and steering (both backed off a notch). Easily accessed by 'double clicking' the N button on the steering wheel.
Full N mode might work in Germany and other countries where the authorities actually bother to invest in, maintain and repair the road surfaces, but not here.
I liked the configurability of the car. Once you find what works for you, it can be saved, and then retrieved with a simple double click of a steering wheel button after start up. It's simplicity itself.
I'm getting old but why can't they make a car with a suspension set-up that gives a decent ride and capable handling in the first place? For more enjoyable roads, I created a Custom N mode, with everything on max attack except the dampers and steering (both backed off a notch). Easily accessed by 'double clicking' the N button on the steering wheel.
Full N mode might work in Germany and other countries where the authorities actually bother to invest in, maintain and repair the road surfaces, but not here.
I liked the configurability of the car. Once you find what works for you, it can be saved, and then retrieved with a simple double click of a steering wheel button after start up. It's simplicity itself.
I don't see anyone with E30/E36/E46 BMW M3s wanting to mess about with configurations, or fake noise!
BigMon said:
I had an I30N for two years and only sold it as I could walk to work and my wife hated it so we kept her car instead.
It put a smile on my face pretty much every time I drove it.
You had to sell “your” thing that kept a smile on your face because your missus hated it and you could walk to work and she has a car anyway… ?It put a smile on my face pretty much every time I drove it.
This reads very sad and tragic to me….
(But it’s your life so…)What car does she drive and is it more interesting than the Hyundai ?
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