RE: Tesla Model X | PH Used Buying Guide
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I understand they may not have run out of battery power,as Tesla's do have the best range of most EV manufacturer's but it was just something I observed on my trip, unusual to see 2 of the same model cars broken down on the hard shoulder.I won't be going down the EV route until I have too,the depreciation alone on these white goods would put me off
FlukePlay said:
@Gangzoom, thanks for the real world reviews.
Out of interest, can you share more info about the pan European trips?
Just to get an idea of practicalities in driving long distances, range, frequency of stops/charging, time to charge, availability of chargers.
I know it’s not Europe, but FWIW I drove from Connecticut in the US to South Florida (1300 miles) in my X with 2 overnight stops. Car was fully loaded packed to the brim and with two large dogs as well (I was relocating).Out of interest, can you share more info about the pan European trips?
Just to get an idea of practicalities in driving long distances, range, frequency of stops/charging, time to charge, availability of chargers.
With autopilot for highway use, the supercharger network and navigation tech that routes you to them on your journey, and tells you how long to charge for before heading to the next charger - it was honestly one of the most stress free and pleasurable long distance road trips I have done.
Crezza1 said:
I understand they may not have run out of battery power,as Tesla's do have the best range of most EV manufacturer's but it was just something I observed on my trip, unusual to see 2 of the same model cars broken down on the hard shoulder.I won't be going down the EV route until I have too,the depreciation alone on these white goods would put me off
Which model Tesla were they?Since Covid we have seen a very strange market with used prices being much higher than traditionally for a particular age of car.
The old adage was Drive new car from forecourt and lose 25/30% Three years later that car with average miles will have lost 50% of its value.
We are gradually getting back to those sort of values. I've been amazed how inflated second hand values were both ICE and EV. I was offered over £19K for my 2016 Merc Hybrid back end of 2022. I paid £21K early 2018. That's only £500 per annum depreciation. It's down to £16K now and will be sold as I am going full EV..
All normal cars fall into the white goods category. They are a tool nothing more.
wilkij1975 said:
How much is it then?
Mr E said:
Nomme de Plum said:
Depending on the EV they tend to do between 2.8 - a little over 4 miles per kw so let's say 3 to be conservative
So 170 miles is 57 kw not 150.
Say 60kw to make the maths easy. At 50p per KWh, that’s £30. So 170 miles is 57 kw not 150.
A 10p per kWh overnight, that’s £6. Or ~4 ppm.
A well timed article as I'm just in the process of looking and shopping for a Tesla. Probably a Model 3 Dual Motor for me.
Need a family practical, economical to run/maintain daily that'll take big miles and make the daily grind bearable.
I was sold on an electric daily by my I3S Rex that really overcame a lot of my electric car ownership fears that I had prior to experiencing running one for real.
The Tesla appeals for the great charging network, faster charging rates than the I3 (although even 50kW is surprisingly bearable in the real world) , satisfying overtaking shove and I love the panoramic roof. I'd have loved that sitting in the back seats as a child. Add to this the 5x heated seats and it's perfect for camping too.
Need a family practical, economical to run/maintain daily that'll take big miles and make the daily grind bearable.
I was sold on an electric daily by my I3S Rex that really overcame a lot of my electric car ownership fears that I had prior to experiencing running one for real.
The Tesla appeals for the great charging network, faster charging rates than the I3 (although even 50kW is surprisingly bearable in the real world) , satisfying overtaking shove and I love the panoramic roof. I'd have loved that sitting in the back seats as a child. Add to this the 5x heated seats and it's perfect for camping too.
EK993 said:
FlukePlay said:
@Gangzoom, thanks for the real world reviews.
Out of interest, can you share more info about the pan European trips?
Just to get an idea of practicalities in driving long distances, range, frequency of stops/charging, time to charge, availability of chargers.
I know it’s not Europe, but FWIW I drove from Connecticut in the US to South Florida (1300 miles) in my X with 2 overnight stops. Car was fully loaded packed to the brim and with two large dogs as well (I was relocating).Out of interest, can you share more info about the pan European trips?
Just to get an idea of practicalities in driving long distances, range, frequency of stops/charging, time to charge, availability of chargers.
With autopilot for highway use, the supercharger network and navigation tech that routes you to them on your journey, and tells you how long to charge for before heading to the next charger - it was honestly one of the most stress free and pleasurable long distance road trips I have done.
Full self drive on European toll roads is awesome. Stopping every 2 hours for up to an hour isn’t awesome but it works - what’s needed is more chargers - I did it in 2020 and I’d hope there are more sites now to give a bit of flexibility. One section was literally 100% charge to near zero, with no superchargers in the middle.
Things will have improved since we did it - European networks may be easier to access now and there may be more Tesla sites. You’re still stuck with a very specific fixed route and 30-45 minute stops every two hours. What you can’t do is run it until the fuel light comes on - you’re stuck with 20% to 80% of battery unless you want a stupidly long charge stop. That’s where it fails compared to ICE.
We’ve since done it using petrol and with lane keep and radar cruise it’s honestly much much better overall.
I had a Model X as a courtesy car when my Model S was in for repairs and I used it to pick my kids up from school - I would have been less conspicuous doing donuts outside school in a Lamborghini.
As someone’s already said I’m glad I owned one - the performance, design, minimalist interior, comfort, software updates, there are loads of positives, but I’m also glad we’re back to petrol plus a local-use-only EV. I stopped counting at 11 grand in warranty repairs. New front air struts (didn’t fix). New cv joints and drive shafts. New door handle. UV treatment for screen (didn’t fix). More new driveshafts (still didn’t fix). That’s not an exhaustive list. I wouldn’t be confident with another one without a warranty.
eta I forgot it also had an air con compressor - it does the heating and cools the battery and ours was the noisiest Tesla at any supercharger we visited. Tesla agreed it was too noisy. With the new compressor it was exactly the same.
Edited by andy43 on Sunday 9th April 23:23
andy43 said:
I’ve done Manchester to the Algarve in a Model S P100D. 11 charges from memory, all using Superchargers. It is very very easy PROVIDED there are Superchargers en route. The car and the integration with the chargers is still better than everything else. It navigates itself between chargers, reroutes if needed, and when you do stop it’s taking 130+ kWh. Best bit - plug car in and that’s it - it’s charging within 5 seconds. No ‘communicating with charger’, credit card or app rubbish, it just works.
Full self drive on European toll roads is awesome. Stopping every 2 hours for up to an hour isn’t awesome but it works - what’s needed is more chargers - I did it in 2020 and I’d hope there are more sites now to give a bit of flexibility. One section was literally 100% charge to near zero, with no superchargers in the middle.
Things will have improved since we did it - European networks may be easier to access now and there may be more Tesla sites. You’re still stuck with a very specific fixed route and 30-45 minute stops every two hours. What you can’t do is run it until the fuel light comes on - you’re stuck with 20% to 80% of battery unless you want a stupidly long charge stop. That’s where it fails compared to ICE.
We’ve since done it using petrol and with lane keep and radar cruise it’s honestly much much better overall.
I had a Model X as a courtesy car when my Model S was in for repairs and I used it to pick my kids up from school - I would have been less conspicuous doing donuts outside school in a Lamborghini.
As someone’s already said I’m glad I owned one - the performance, design, minimalist interior, comfort, software updates, there are loads of positives, but I’m also glad we’re back to petrol plus a local-use-only EV. I stopped counting at 11 grand in warranty repairs. New front air struts (didn’t fix). New cv joints and drive shafts. New door handle. UV treatment for screen (didn’t fix). More new driveshafts (still didn’t fix). That’s not an exhaustive list. I wouldn’t be confident with another one without a warranty.
It’s funny how experiences vary so wildly with Tesla’s and reliability. I know some owners have bad experiences, others like me go for thousands of miles (5 years / 50k) without having to do anything. I did have the screen edge yellowing fixed with the UV treatment (worked on mine), but that was really a cosmetic thing rather than a major issue. Full self drive on European toll roads is awesome. Stopping every 2 hours for up to an hour isn’t awesome but it works - what’s needed is more chargers - I did it in 2020 and I’d hope there are more sites now to give a bit of flexibility. One section was literally 100% charge to near zero, with no superchargers in the middle.
Things will have improved since we did it - European networks may be easier to access now and there may be more Tesla sites. You’re still stuck with a very specific fixed route and 30-45 minute stops every two hours. What you can’t do is run it until the fuel light comes on - you’re stuck with 20% to 80% of battery unless you want a stupidly long charge stop. That’s where it fails compared to ICE.
We’ve since done it using petrol and with lane keep and radar cruise it’s honestly much much better overall.
I had a Model X as a courtesy car when my Model S was in for repairs and I used it to pick my kids up from school - I would have been less conspicuous doing donuts outside school in a Lamborghini.
As someone’s already said I’m glad I owned one - the performance, design, minimalist interior, comfort, software updates, there are loads of positives, but I’m also glad we’re back to petrol plus a local-use-only EV. I stopped counting at 11 grand in warranty repairs. New front air struts (didn’t fix). New cv joints and drive shafts. New door handle. UV treatment for screen (didn’t fix). More new driveshafts (still didn’t fix). That’s not an exhaustive list. I wouldn’t be confident with another one without a warranty.
legless said:
These look quite a practical family car and have some intriguing features.
The only thing SUV about in my eyes though is the fact that Tesla call it an SUV. The silhouette seems more MPV-like to me, but of course it's not fashionable to call it that.
Agree and they look more like a SUV Coupe to me like the ones BMW/Merc do. They are an odd shape to my eyes. The only thing SUV about in my eyes though is the fact that Tesla call it an SUV. The silhouette seems more MPV-like to me, but of course it's not fashionable to call it that.
andy43 said:
EK993 said:
FlukePlay said:
@Gangzoom, thanks for the real world reviews.
Out of interest, can you share more info about the pan European trips?
Just to get an idea of practicalities in driving long distances, range, frequency of stops/charging, time to charge, availability of chargers.
I know it’s not Europe, but FWIW I drove from Connecticut in the US to South Florida (1300 miles) in my X with 2 overnight stops. Car was fully loaded packed to the brim and with two large dogs as well (I was relocating).Out of interest, can you share more info about the pan European trips?
Just to get an idea of practicalities in driving long distances, range, frequency of stops/charging, time to charge, availability of chargers.
With autopilot for highway use, the supercharger network and navigation tech that routes you to them on your journey, and tells you how long to charge for before heading to the next charger - it was honestly one of the most stress free and pleasurable long distance road trips I have done.
Full self drive on European toll roads is awesome. Stopping every 2 hours for up to an hour isn’t awesome but it works - what’s needed is more chargers - I did it in 2020 and I’d hope there are more sites now to give a bit of flexibility. One section was literally 100% charge to near zero, with no superchargers in the middle.
Things will have improved since we did it - European networks may be easier to access now and there may be more Tesla sites. You’re still stuck with a very specific fixed route and 30-45 minute stops every two hours. What you can’t do is run it until the fuel light comes on - you’re stuck with 20% to 80% of battery unless you want a stupidly long charge stop. That’s where it fails compared to ICE.
We’ve since done it using petrol and with lane keep and radar cruise it’s honestly much much better overall.
I had a Model X as a courtesy car when my Model S was in for repairs and I used it to pick my kids up from school - I would have been less conspicuous doing donuts outside school in a Lamborghini.
As someone’s already said I’m glad I owned one - the performance, design, minimalist interior, comfort, software updates, there are loads of positives, but I’m also glad we’re back to petrol plus a local-use-only EV. I stopped counting at 11 grand in warranty repairs. New front air struts (didn’t fix). New cv joints and drive shafts. New door handle. UV treatment for screen (didn’t fix). More new driveshafts (still didn’t fix). That’s not an exhaustive list. I wouldn’t be confident with another one without a warranty.
Our regular summer trip is 800km to NE Italy and I would assume 4 stops in an EV, which isn't too bad. With our ICE we're stopping 2 times for fuel (approx 9-10 hours journey time) with other short stops for the toilet/leg stretch. With an EV we're probably adding 2-3 hours to that journey time.
Thanks again for the insights.
It's probably that they have run out of juice. If they do there is nothing AA or RAC can do but trailer them to a charging point and you can't tow them
Nomme de Plum said:
Unless you stopped to ascertain the reason for the breakdowns your post informs nothing. What about all of the other EV manufacturers. Perhaps their EVs are more reliable? Pure speculation of course.
It isn't that unusual to see a stranded vehicle or two over that kind of distance.
It isn't that unusual to see a stranded vehicle or two over that kind of distance.
Nsuro80 said:
It's probably that they have run out of juice. If they do there is nothing AA or RAC can do but trailer them to a charging point and you can't tow them
PossiblyNomme de Plum said:
Unless you stopped to ascertain the reason for the breakdowns your post informs nothing. What about all of the other EV manufacturers. Perhaps their EVs are more reliable? Pure speculation of course.
It isn't that unusual to see a stranded vehicle or two over that kind of distance.
It isn't that unusual to see a stranded vehicle or two over that kind of distance.
But that would be pure speculation.
One would anticipate that in another decade the likes of the RAC, AA etc may fit some sort of generator driven rapid charger.
Or maybe owners will become more aware and not run out of power.
I come from an era where full tank gauges were notoriously inaccurate and a few people did run out of fuel from time to time.
Nomme de Plum said:
Possibly
But that would be pure speculation.
One would anticipate that in another decade the likes of the RAC, AA etc may fit some sort of generator driven rapid charger.
Or maybe owners will become more aware and not run out of power.
I come from an era where full tank gauges were notoriously inaccurate and a few people did run out of fuel from time to time.
Just carry a spare can of electricity in the boot ... fixed it for you. But that would be pure speculation.
One would anticipate that in another decade the likes of the RAC, AA etc may fit some sort of generator driven rapid charger.
Or maybe owners will become more aware and not run out of power.
I come from an era where full tank gauges were notoriously inaccurate and a few people did run out of fuel from time to time.
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