RE: First look: 2024 Mini John Cooper Works
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wistec1 said:
It will be interesting to see how many of these JCWs Minis BMW actually sell against the back drop of other EV offerings now the playing field has opened up for them.
One thing for sure any car maker currently bringing a new ICE car into the world should be given some form of high recognition and award given the profound sense of regret at the demise of ICE that is often scribed by the automotive journalists across the many publications available not just here on PH. It's a sentiment echoed by many consumers as well when I attend the classic car meeting, car club & Sunday meeting events I go to. The low turn out or often absence of EVs attendending has not escaped my attention and it's interestingly only the main agent sponsored events that drop the EV,s in because they have to or it's either all they've got left to sell. At such events I've tried to make a point of trying to find a willing Ronny rep selling the EV dream who is prepared to give me their own honest opinions. This often involves choosing the "right moment' when they are outside of the earshot of other pre programmed EV commerades. This always requires some persistance and promised anonymity thrown for good measure. It should come as no surprise that many of them (not all though) have this same sense of regret that we are being herded down a automotive EV road lots of consumers simply don't want to go down.The thing that really pisses me off is that those with real influence and the ear of government are doing little to convey the publics feelings and their own. The likes of the head of Aston Martin with his recent two fingered salute is one such exception. I'm one of them many EV naysayers even my expression of wishes on my death ensures I will remain battery free because it states no EV hearse to be used. Back to the here an now though and this JCW is great news and likely the wife's ticket to her next car which will replace the current one she's already got.
Great post!One thing for sure any car maker currently bringing a new ICE car into the world should be given some form of high recognition and award given the profound sense of regret at the demise of ICE that is often scribed by the automotive journalists across the many publications available not just here on PH. It's a sentiment echoed by many consumers as well when I attend the classic car meeting, car club & Sunday meeting events I go to. The low turn out or often absence of EVs attendending has not escaped my attention and it's interestingly only the main agent sponsored events that drop the EV,s in because they have to or it's either all they've got left to sell. At such events I've tried to make a point of trying to find a willing Ronny rep selling the EV dream who is prepared to give me their own honest opinions. This often involves choosing the "right moment' when they are outside of the earshot of other pre programmed EV commerades. This always requires some persistance and promised anonymity thrown for good measure. It should come as no surprise that many of them (not all though) have this same sense of regret that we are being herded down a automotive EV road lots of consumers simply don't want to go down.The thing that really pisses me off is that those with real influence and the ear of government are doing little to convey the publics feelings and their own. The likes of the head of Aston Martin with his recent two fingered salute is one such exception. I'm one of them many EV naysayers even my expression of wishes on my death ensures I will remain battery free because it states no EV hearse to be used. Back to the here an now though and this JCW is great news and likely the wife's ticket to her next car which will replace the current one she's already got.
Edited by wistec1 on Monday 20th May 08:03
Julian Scott said:
Erast Fandorin said:
Julian Scott said:
cerb4.5lee said:
Julian Scott said:
That said, she preferred the 128ti to any of the MINIs, and even to the M135i.
I have a bit of a soft spot for the 128ti as well, and it looks a nice bit of kit to me. But interesting either way, will mean decent deals to be found.
Well, I think it looks pretty good, although quite hard to judge under all that "camo" stuff. I saw some shots of the interior a while ago and I think that nearly everything will now be controlled through the "very colourful" central screen, leaving very little if anything in front of the driver. Ho hum, that's the way of it I guess and we'd better get used to it, although I struggle to see how prodding at a screen to the left or right of you is safer that just flicking a switch. I think the HUD will be essential. Shame about the loss of the bonnet scoop, progress anyone ? It is a pity that we are being driven, like Gadarene swine, down the EV route but I suppose this reflects the enormous investment world wide by the manufacturers, they were never going to pour in billions and then sit back and watch their EV sales fall of a cliff ! As for me, I'm sticking with my late 2013 R56 JCW, almost 45,000 miles, FSH etc and great fun to drive, although a little expensive in terms of VED and servicing/parts. And, best of all, many of my friends don't like riding in it, they say it's too firm, too noisy and too fast. What's not to like ?
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