Goodyear Eagle F1 GS D3's XL

[mackie1]

bus_ter said:

Can anyone confirm if the F1's sold from mytyres are the good ones or the dodgy to be avoided ones?

I got some from them a few months ago and they are the proper good ones.

[pjpip]

redlake27 said:

Since these were purchased, the GSD3 has been phased out in the UK and replaced with the F1 Asymmetric, so there is a subsequent design change as well.
It is OK to mix different designs and constructions, but we strongly recommend that the matching pair are on the same axle.

Will the new asymmetrics but useable on the MG TF as neither GY or MGR recommended the D3s? Luckily I've always managed to find some D2s at the right time.

[orangecurry]

silverstream said:

I've just bought a set of "Made In Germany" Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 and noticed the following:

- It's made on the week of 5306 ! Is there 53weeks in Year 2006 ?
- The "DOT" imprint is missing from the sidewall ..

Is this a "real" Goodyear F1 ? Or rather, are there any "fake" F1 out in the market ?

eek; week 53 sounds a bit strange - have you got the E-marks (or similar) on your tyres as shown on my pics?

Edited by orangecurry on Sunday 6th May 21:34

[bus_ter]

I've been doing some searching online and it looks a little hit & miss.

Blackcircles seem to have been supplying all types, European, foreign E stamped and foreign non E stamped versions.

There are still big savings to be had with the online suppliers. I think I will email both blackcircle and mytyres asking what versions they ship.

There must be thousands of these grey market tyres out there now, with the buyers being non the wiser. They'll just think the F1's are rubbish and never using them again and tell others they're rubbish. This has all got to be really hurting Goodyear’s reputation!

[silverstream]

Here's the "Made In Germany" and the "E" mark.

The tire look decent, but it's the lack of "DOT" and 5306 that worries me.

[Jay Ayegees]

They look very close to the legal limit - is that a worry too?

[SAAB_Aero]

silverstream said:

but it's the lack of "DOT" and 5306 that worries me.

It is possible to have a week number 53 - depends on which week numbering system the manufacturing company decides to use.

My last contract was at a manufacturing plant and there a number of years there that had 53 weeks.

[silverstream]

Did a google search:

On:
[url]www.co.allen.in.us/AddIns/calendarix/cal_week.php?op=week&date=2006-12-31&catview=0[/url]
Events from 31 December 2006 till 06 January 2007 (week number : 53) (Week starts Sunday)

There's some ISO standard on week numbering:
[url]www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html[/url]

So, week 1 of 2007 is actually 5306 ?
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However, on: [url]http://labix.org/python-dateutil[/url]
It says only: Year 1998, 2004, 2009 has 53 weeks

Another from Oracle:
[url]http://forums.oracle.com/forums/threa[/url]

Year 2006:
Week 52 THURSDAY Week 52 FRIDAY Week 52 SATURDAY Week 52 SUNDAY Week 01 MONDAY

From the Oracle9i Globalization Support Guide:

First Calendar Week of the Year

Many countries, Germany, for example, use weeks for scheduling, planning, and bookkeeping. Oracle supports this convention.

In the ISO standard, the year relating to an ISO week number can be different from the calendar year. For example, 1st Jan 1988 is in ISO week number 53 of 1987. A week always starts on a Monday and ends on a Sunday.

* If January 1 falls on a Friday, Saturday, or Sunday, then the week including January 1 is the last week of the previous year, because most of the days in the week belong to the previous year.

* If January 1 falls on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday, then the week is the first week of the new year, because most of the days in the week belong to the new year.

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Can anyone from Goodyear clarify if there's really a 5306 production ?

Edited by silverstream on Sunday 6th May 15:43

[bus_ter]

redlake27 said:

If the tyre is sourced from a mainstream dealer such as Hi-Q, Kwik Fit or a Goodyear Approved dealer you will have the right product.

It would be useful if the UK Approved Dealer search on your website actually worked!

[bus_ter]

It seems that mytyres are one of those suppliers who are buying in grey imports.

I wanted to make sure I bought the correct version of the tyres so emailed mytyres for advice. See below for the full correspondence.


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Sent to: [e-mail]

Hi,

I have been advised from Goodyear that some of the popular online tyre suppliers (no names given) have been supplying 'grey market' versions of tyres that are not designed for UK use. In some cases even supplying non E marked tyres that are actually illegal for use in the UK.

I'm specifically interested in buying a set of Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 tyres. Can you advise if your tyres are the correct European sourced versions? And what country they originate from?

Regards,
Me

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Dear Me

Thank you for your e-mail! We would like to inform you that in order to give you the details you have requested we need not only the tyre brand, but also the complete tyre size so that we could be able to search for the tyres and the information that you need.Hope to hear soon from you.
Please do not hesitate to get back to us in case we could provide further information.
Kind regards

Ms Natalia Costina
Delticom Tyres Ltd.
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Hi,
I shall require:
2 x 195/45/R16 Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
2 x 215/40/R16 Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
Regards,
Me
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Dear Me,
Thank you for your e-mail! We would like to inform you that the
2 x 195/45/R16 Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
2 x 215/40/R16 Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
tyres are produced in the USA, and we have them on stock if you would like to place an order for them. Hope to hear soon from you.
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Hi,
I have been informed by Goodyear/Dunlop UK that only Eagle F1 GS-D3 tyres produced in Germany or China are suitable for use in this country.
If you import your tyres from the USA they are therefore not suitable for use in this country?
Regards,
Me
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Dear Me
Thank you for your e-mail! We would like to inform you that if you would like to order another brand of tyres we would be glad to help you.
Hope to hear from you soon.
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They haven't challenged at all the fact they are not suitable for UK roads. Instead they've just tried to sell me another Brand of tyres!
What do you think? Best to avoid mytyres?

[Beefmeister]

Run Forrest, run!!!!

[orangecurry]

tough call - I loved the GSD3s I had from Germany, but (as above) I've ended up with a set this time (in a slightly different size) stamped 'Made in China' from mytyres - time will tell if these are any good, and a friend got his set (in a different size again) from mytyres the week before and were stamped 'Made in Germany'.

Yes my first (German) set were much better than equivalent Bridgestones or P-zeros I've tried, but I've lost my confidence in Goodyear telling the whole truth, therefore I won't be buying their tyres next time.

I would imagine Mytyres are buying from legitimate sources, but if Goodyear are p1ssing about with the specifications, if must be a nightmare.

If I were you, (or if I could be me 2 weeks ago), I'd be buying say Uniroyal Rainsports..... as long as Goodyear/Dunlop don't own Uniroyal of course.

[bus_ter]

I think the China ones can be ok. It's the Taiwan ones you really need to look out for.

I've never heard of any actually being made in the USA? Maybe they didn't understand my question.

[orangecurry]

it's not just where they are made - the construction/materials as detailed on the sidewall is DIFFERENT for the ones made in China from the ones made in Germany (both sets manufactured in Feb2007).

I asked why, and they said different factories will put new materials in to the process at different times in the production life of a tyre - fair enough, but why would you change the construction of a tyre 1 month before it is being phased-out?

You can't get a clear answer from them, and because of this they ain't getting any more of my business. My advice is buy something else (from mytyres who are caught in the middle IMHO).

[redlake27]

orangecurry said:

tough call - I loved the GSD3s I had from Germany, but (as above) I've ended up with a set this time (in a slightly different size) stamped 'Made in China' from mytyres - time will tell if these are any good, and a friend got his set (in a different size again) from mytyres the week before and were stamped 'Made in Germany'.

Yes my first (German) set were much better than equivalent Bridgestones or P-zeros I've tried, but I've lost my confidence in Goodyear telling the whole truth, therefore I won't be buying their tyres next time.

I would imagine Mytyres are buying from legitimate sources, but if Goodyear are p1ssing about with the specifications, if must be a nightmare.

If I were you, (or if I could be me 2 weeks ago), I'd be buying say Uniroyal Rainsports..... as long as Goodyear/Dunlop don't own Uniroyal of course.

The China and Germany F1s are approved for UK use. This doesn't just mean that they are e-marked, but that we choose to sell them in the UK market because they (irrespective of design changes) fall within the very tight performance parameters that we set for this market.

The GSD3 has now been replaced with the Asymmetric, but the GSD3 will continue to be sold in certain sizes to offer an alternative for buyers that don't want a mismatched set. This is common marketing practice for all tyre companies, not just Goodyear.

If you have a China or German made e-marked F1 GSD3 they are fine for UK use. If you have a Thai made non e-marked F1 GSD3 they are not suitable for this market and drivers should report the matter to trading standards.

[redlake27]

Regarding bus_ter's post:

We are confused by this one!

Goodyear are not officially importing US made GSD3's into the UK. Therefore, if a dealer has unofficially imported tyres (of any brand, not just Goodyear) they need to assure you that they are e-marked.

[redlake27]

As a general issue, the situation of illegal or unofficial imports is a serious one for the tyre industry and our customers.

Whilst this post has been about a particular Goodyear tyre, this issue is common to all tyre manufacturers who make different specification tyres to achieve the optimum performance in each market.

As a result of this debate, I am going to flag up this issue with the industry body with the aim of developing a strategy to eliminate trading in non-approved tyrss.

It is a difficult issue, because an unofficial tyre dealer can state that non-E marked tyres are being imported for track or 'non highway' use, which is not illegal. The issue is at the point of fitting, where a tyre fitter must check that the tyres are approved for UK use if they know the car is going on the road. Trademark protection legislation gives tyre companies some leverage in stamping out this kind of practice, and we use this law to protect our brands and our customers where possible.

This is a complex issue, and I have tried to give direct answers to customers who are concerned about E-marking in this post. I thank PH'ers who have helped us in supplying the names of dealers engaged in selling non-e marked tyres and this has been passed onto our legal team.

It is clear that this is a broad industry issue, and one where I feel that all tyre manufacturers and reputable dealers should unite to protect customers as part of our obligation to improve road safety.

A number of PH'ers have asked who Goodyear approved dealers are. Whilst we can guarantee that we supply official tyres to our own network, I have been reluctant to only recommend that people go to our own company owned network HiQ, as there are many other dealers (ranging from Kwik Fit to small independent dealers) that sell the correct tyres and I would not want to use this forum topic as an opportunity to solely promote our own network.

Therefore, in addition to our own HiQ network, I would suggest that you may also want to consider shopping with dealers who are registered with the National Tyre Distributors Association, who put certain quality and trading standards in place with independent dealers.

www.ntda.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=78


There are many other dealers who are not part of our HiQ network or the NTDA who trade to the highest standards, and my personal advice would be to check the E marking of any brand of tyre, not just Goodyear, before you buy from non-approved dealers.

I hope this helps.
James Bailey
Goodyear UK

[bus_ter]

I don't just want an E marked version of the tyre, but I want the best possible version. Certainly one that's designed for our climate. It seems the best bet is to get the German manufactured tyres.

Other posts have suggested that mytyres have previously provided the German versions, but my recent email correspondence has suggested otherwise. I have emailed mytyres back to confirm this information and also mentioned that Goodyear do not officially import US made tyres into the UK. I'm awaiting their reply …

[chauffeur]

I used Eagle F1's once and they did not suit my driving style or the characteristics of the Alfa.

Best tyres I have found are either Toyo Proxies or Marangoni Zeta Linea, not much to choose between them but on balance the Marangonis lasted a bit longer with no trade off in grip. I think due to stiffer sidewalls.

Interesting thread - don't see how their own products can infringe copywrite though just because they are grey import.

[redlake27]

Chaffeur,
It is a complex law, but one that companies can use to protect their brands and customers.

With most products one company in each market/country may be registered to sell its products/brands in that market. In the EU it may be the European Division of a global company.

If an importer buys products from a wholesaler in a different market (in this case non-EU) and brings them into this market then they are potentially bypassing the trademark holder for the market.

This law isn't used all the time, but can provide useful protection for both brands and customers in cases such as this.