Cars and their houses...
Discussion
baSkey said:
RobM77 said:
Aerofoil said:
All about priorities too. My car cost me less than the one I had at Uni. If you need a flash car to show you have "made it" then, you buy one, if you don't care about material wealth, and more about real wealth, you pay off all your finance, and live the easy life.
Since when was owning a nice car anything to do with showing off your wealth?!
for SOME people.
it's the RRSport* on tick(/'chuck') theorem Derestrictor and i have developed.
- no offence to all RRS people but let's face it ouside of this forum they are merely bought as 'status symbols'.
When I buy a car I write down my requirements, and find the car that suits them best. For my present car I wanted very feelsome un-assisted controls, a reasonable turn of speed, RWD, excellent handling, open top, boot big enough for weekend luggage and as small as possible. Thus I bought an Elise S2 111S. It's perfect for me. Now, you can work these priorities backwards, so you can go from the Elise 111S to me. This brings about my problem with trying to understand why anyone buys a Range Rover for road use. To me, a Range Rover buyer would want: four wheel drive for dealing with slippery mud, good ground clearance for getting over obstacles, road capable but no need to be as well suited to the road as a 3 series or C class. I know plenty of RR owners who have those as priorities (one runs an agricultural machinery repair business, the other tows his daughter's horse to competitions around the country), but I fail to understand why anyone who lives, works and plays in an urban environment would want one. Maybe now I do...RobM77 said:
baSkey said:
RobM77 said:
Aerofoil said:
All about priorities too. My car cost me less than the one I had at Uni. If you need a flash car to show you have "made it" then, you buy one, if you don't care about material wealth, and more about real wealth, you pay off all your finance, and live the easy life.
Since when was owning a nice car anything to do with showing off your wealth?!for SOME people.
it's the RRSport* on tick(/'chuck') theorem Derestrictor and i have developed.
- no offence to all RRS people but let's face it ouside of this forum they are merely bought as 'status symbols'.
When I buy a car I write down my requirements, and find the car that suits them best. For my present car I wanted very feelsome un-assisted controls, a reasonable turn of speed, RWD, excellent handling, open top, boot big enough for weekend luggage and as small as possible. Thus I bought an Elise S2 111S. It's perfect for me. Now, you can work these priorities backwards, so you can go from the Elise 111S to me. This brings about my problem with trying to understand why anyone buys a Range Rover for road use. To me, a Range Rover buyer would want: four wheel drive for dealing with slippery mud, good ground clearance for getting over obstacles, road capable but no need to be as well suited to the road as a 3 series or C class. I know plenty of RR owners who have those as priorities (one runs an agricultural machinery repair business, the other tows his daughter's horse to competitions around the country), but I fail to understand why anyone who lives, works and plays in an urban environment would want one. Maybe now I do...Plenty of practical reasons to want cars of this ilk. I daresay if you removed the 4 wheel drive element and made them 2 wheel drive, they wouldn't sell any less.
lenny007 said:
RobM77 said:
baSkey said:
RobM77 said:
Aerofoil said:
All about priorities too. My car cost me less than the one I had at Uni. If you need a flash car to show you have "made it" then, you buy one, if you don't care about material wealth, and more about real wealth, you pay off all your finance, and live the easy life.
Since when was owning a nice car anything to do with showing off your wealth?!for SOME people.
it's the RRSport* on tick(/'chuck') theorem Derestrictor and i have developed.
- no offence to all RRS people but let's face it ouside of this forum they are merely bought as 'status symbols'.
When I buy a car I write down my requirements, and find the car that suits them best. For my present car I wanted very feelsome un-assisted controls, a reasonable turn of speed, RWD, excellent handling, open top, boot big enough for weekend luggage and as small as possible. Thus I bought an Elise S2 111S. It's perfect for me. Now, you can work these priorities backwards, so you can go from the Elise 111S to me. This brings about my problem with trying to understand why anyone buys a Range Rover for road use. To me, a Range Rover buyer would want: four wheel drive for dealing with slippery mud, good ground clearance for getting over obstacles, road capable but no need to be as well suited to the road as a 3 series or C class. I know plenty of RR owners who have those as priorities (one runs an agricultural machinery repair business, the other tows his daughter's horse to competitions around the country), but I fail to understand why anyone who lives, works and plays in an urban environment would want one. Maybe now I do...Plenty of practical reasons to want cars of this ilk. I daresay if you removed the 4 wheel drive element and made them 2 wheel drive, they wouldn't sell any less.
The ride: A RR will always be a compromise on the road, as the requirements of off-road are different to on-road. This is much like the ride on a 911 GT3 or F40 is a compromise between road and track. Taking bumpy roads at speed makes very different demands on dampers to taking a ploughed field at 5mph (different input frequency). These demands are better met by a 100% road car.
Family size: More interior space in a 5 series estate than in a RR. If you have more than two kids, there are plenty of MPVs out there that do the job much better without invading your boot space.
Sports: The only sports that I can think of that make demands on your car are: firstly: things that require the use of a roof rack, such as surfing or cycling. A RR isn't suitable for this because of the height of the roof rack. I've lifted bikes and windsurf boards off cars and off roaders, and believe me it's far easier on a car! (and you don't need a step ladder!!). Secondly, you might want to tow a a boat, racing car or jet ski. I've been in cars and off roaders towing boats and racing cars and the off roader wasn't that different to the car really. Slippery slipway? 4WD is handy, so buy a Subaru or Audi Quattro. My Dad and I go motor racing together, and he's always done the towing, and this is a requirement for him when he gets his cars. He finds his 3 series estate perfect for the job. A friend of his uses a RR, and my Dad's 3 series is far more suitable. The boot's better for the tools for a start.
Comfort: Spec up a 5 series or a Merc - no difference.
High Driving position: Now I'll give you that one! Surely that's not the only reason people buy them is it? I live in the sticks and I just drive slower in case something comes round a corner - not being able to see over hedges doesn't really bother me.
Edited by RobM77 on Thursday 1st November 14:05
Irish said:
Sorry, but in my view a car should always cost an amount appropriate to the level of your the mortgage. If you mortgage is £200k you should not have a £60k car (and my car used to be 15% of my outstanding mortage!
AWAITS FLAMING!
How times change.Back in the late 80's I had a flat in Manchester I paid £12,000 for(mortgage £11500),and a brand new Escort XR3i cabriolet which cost £12000 too!!AWAITS FLAMING!
5 wh said:
Irish said:
Sorry, but in my view a car should always cost an amount appropriate to the level of your the mortgage. If you mortgage is £200k you should not have a £60k car (and my car used to be 15% of my outstanding mortage!
AWAITS FLAMING!
How times change.Back in the late 80's I had a flat in Manchester I paid £12,000 for(mortgage £11500),and a brand new Escort XR3i cabriolet which cost £12000 too!!AWAITS FLAMING!
That's like most of us owning Pagani Zondas now!baSkey said:
shadowninja said:
baSkey said:
on tick(/'chuck')
what's that mean?Waaaiiit a sec. You didn't mean this did you: http://www.fly2neverland.com/
Edited by shadowninja on Thursday 1st November 14:16
justnotsure said:
tbops said:
Surprised i havent been mentioned yet.
Why???????http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
@tbops, probably because your profile only shows one standard(ish) motor?
daveenty said:
justnotsure said:
tbops said:
Surprised i havent been mentioned yet.
Why???????http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
@tbops, probably because your profile only shows one standard(ish) motor?
So tbops, what's your opinion about this house/car thing - and what sort of house do you live in? By the way, what on earth do you do for a living?!
RobM77 said:
lenny007 said:
RobM77 said:
baSkey said:
RobM77 said:
Aerofoil said:
All about priorities too. My car cost me less than the one I had at Uni. If you need a flash car to show you have "made it" then, you buy one, if you don't care about material wealth, and more about real wealth, you pay off all your finance, and live the easy life.
Since when was owning a nice car anything to do with showing off your wealth?!for SOME people.
it's the RRSport* on tick(/'chuck') theorem Derestrictor and i have developed.
- no offence to all RRS people but let's face it ouside of this forum they are merely bought as 'status symbols'.
When I buy a car I write down my requirements, and find the car that suits them best. For my present car I wanted very feelsome un-assisted controls, a reasonable turn of speed, RWD, excellent handling, open top, boot big enough for weekend luggage and as small as possible. Thus I bought an Elise S2 111S. It's perfect for me. Now, you can work these priorities backwards, so you can go from the Elise 111S to me. This brings about my problem with trying to understand why anyone buys a Range Rover for road use. To me, a Range Rover buyer would want: four wheel drive for dealing with slippery mud, good ground clearance for getting over obstacles, road capable but no need to be as well suited to the road as a 3 series or C class. I know plenty of RR owners who have those as priorities (one runs an agricultural machinery repair business, the other tows his daughter's horse to competitions around the country), but I fail to understand why anyone who lives, works and plays in an urban environment would want one. Maybe now I do...Plenty of practical reasons to want cars of this ilk. I daresay if you removed the 4 wheel drive element and made them 2 wheel drive, they wouldn't sell any less.
The ride: a RR will always be a compromise on the road, as the requirements of off-road are different to on-road. This is much like the ride on a 911 GT3 or F40 is a compromise between road and track.
Family size: More interior space in a 5 series estate than in a RR. If you have more than two kids, there are plenty of MPVs out there that do the job much better without invading your boot space.
Sports: The only sports that I can think of that make demands on your car are: firstly: things that require the use of a roof rack, such as surfing or cycling. A RR isn't suitable for this because of the height of the roof rack. I've lifted bikes and windsurf boards off cars and off roaders, and believe me it's far easier on a car! (and you don't need a step ladder!!). Secondly, you might want to tow a a boat, racing car or jet ski. I've been in cars and off roaders towing boats and racing cars and the off roader wasn't that different to the car really. Slippery slipway? 4WD is handy, so buy a Subaru or Audi Quattro. My Dad and I go motor racing together, and he's always done the towing, and this is a requirement for him when he gets his cars. He finds his 3 series estate perfect for the job. A friend of his uses a RR, and my Dad's 3 series is far more suitable. The boot's better for the tools for a start.
Comfort: Spec up a 5 series or a Merc - no difference.
High Driving position: Now I'll give you that one! Surely that's not the only reason people buy them is it? I live in the sticks and I just drive slower in case something comes round a corner - not being able to see over hedges doesn't really bother me.
How can you have been so blinkered all your life? Aerofoil said:
RobM77 said:
lenny007 said:
RobM77 said:
baSkey said:
RobM77 said:
Aerofoil said:
All about priorities too. My car cost me less than the one I had at Uni. If you need a flash car to show you have "made it" then, you buy one, if you don't care about material wealth, and more about real wealth, you pay off all your finance, and live the easy life.
Since when was owning a nice car anything to do with showing off your wealth?!for SOME people.
it's the RRSport* on tick(/'chuck') theorem Derestrictor and i have developed.
- no offence to all RRS people but let's face it ouside of this forum they are merely bought as 'status symbols'.
When I buy a car I write down my requirements, and find the car that suits them best. For my present car I wanted very feelsome un-assisted controls, a reasonable turn of speed, RWD, excellent handling, open top, boot big enough for weekend luggage and as small as possible. Thus I bought an Elise S2 111S. It's perfect for me. Now, you can work these priorities backwards, so you can go from the Elise 111S to me. This brings about my problem with trying to understand why anyone buys a Range Rover for road use. To me, a Range Rover buyer would want: four wheel drive for dealing with slippery mud, good ground clearance for getting over obstacles, road capable but no need to be as well suited to the road as a 3 series or C class. I know plenty of RR owners who have those as priorities (one runs an agricultural machinery repair business, the other tows his daughter's horse to competitions around the country), but I fail to understand why anyone who lives, works and plays in an urban environment would want one. Maybe now I do...Plenty of practical reasons to want cars of this ilk. I daresay if you removed the 4 wheel drive element and made them 2 wheel drive, they wouldn't sell any less.
The ride: a RR will always be a compromise on the road, as the requirements of off-road are different to on-road. This is much like the ride on a 911 GT3 or F40 is a compromise between road and track.
Family size: More interior space in a 5 series estate than in a RR. If you have more than two kids, there are plenty of MPVs out there that do the job much better without invading your boot space.
Sports: The only sports that I can think of that make demands on your car are: firstly: things that require the use of a roof rack, such as surfing or cycling. A RR isn't suitable for this because of the height of the roof rack. I've lifted bikes and windsurf boards off cars and off roaders, and believe me it's far easier on a car! (and you don't need a step ladder!!). Secondly, you might want to tow a a boat, racing car or jet ski. I've been in cars and off roaders towing boats and racing cars and the off roader wasn't that different to the car really. Slippery slipway? 4WD is handy, so buy a Subaru or Audi Quattro. My Dad and I go motor racing together, and he's always done the towing, and this is a requirement for him when he gets his cars. He finds his 3 series estate perfect for the job. A friend of his uses a RR, and my Dad's 3 series is far more suitable. The boot's better for the tools for a start.
Comfort: Spec up a 5 series or a Merc - no difference.
High Driving position: Now I'll give you that one! Surely that's not the only reason people buy them is it? I live in the sticks and I just drive slower in case something comes round a corner - not being able to see over hedges doesn't really bother me.
How can you have been so blinkered all your life? RobM77 said:
Irish said:
Sorry, but in my view a car should always cost an amount appropriate to the level of your the mortgage. If you mortgage is £200k you should not have a £60k car (and my car used to be 15% of my outstanding mortage!
AWAITS FLAMING!
How strange. Why should their be a link between the values of one's possessions? That's like saying that my telescope shouldn't cost more than 10% the cost of my car?! (it does..). A friend of mine has a telescope worth more than his car - is that ok? AWAITS FLAMING!
Edited by john_r on Thursday 1st November 14:53
john_r said:
RobM77 said:
Irish said:
Sorry, but in my view a car should always cost an amount appropriate to the level of your the mortgage. If you mortgage is £200k you should not have a £60k car (and my car used to be 15% of my outstanding mortage!
AWAITS FLAMING!
How strange. Why should their be a link between the values of one's possessions? That's like saying that my telescope shouldn't cost more than 10% the cost of my car?! (it does..). A friend of mine has a telescope worth more than his car - is that ok? AWAITS FLAMING!
Edited by john_r on Thursday 1st November 14:53
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