Changing a wheel stud pattern - possible?

[Stu R]

A set of BBS LM's would suit that incredibly well imo. Slightly (ahem) more expensive than you're looking at for SLK or S2k wheels I suspect

[Reidy10_0]

AMCDan said:

Reidy10_0 said:

What are "wobbly" wheel bolts?
I dont like the sound of them.

yeah, like i said - opinion is divided, but i know people who use them on "normal" cars without issue.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&am...

I see they are made of two parts.
Probably OK on a normal car but i would not use on a NSX.

[zcacogp]

sassthathoopie said:

Reidy10_0 said:

As you know there is only 1.15mm difference in the PCD.
You would not need to open the holes in the wheels up very much for them to fit.
I would look in to it some more.
You would need to check if the bottom of the counter bored hole in the wheel is tapered or flat bottomed.
If it is flat bottomed then you could open up the holes in the wheels and they would fit.
What diameter are your studs on the NSX?

This might work. I'll see if I can find the stud specs

Oooooo, I really wouldn't want to go there.

The NSX is a delicious, delicious piece of machinery. Crafted in such a way as to give the sublime handling and performance you are used to. Honda designed those wheels to optimise the way the car responds. Fitting something else may be OK for a Corsa or Fiesta which is ragged around the local MaccyD's every Saturday, but you are not in this category!

The notion of just filing a few MM out of some wheel bolt holes fills me with horror. Just .... don't! If nothing else, think about what your insurance company would say if they found out about it in the event of an accident. You'd be lubing-up, bigtime. And that's before we start worrying about wheel dynamics, mating faces, centering, etc etc etc.


Oli.

[david_h]

Sorry I've not been able to read the whole thread.

You can fit all Merc/Audi wheels to your car I think by using "wobble bolts".

i.e. these allow 2mm head movement on the bolt so mean you can fit PCD5x112 wheels to hubs that require PCD5x114.3

not sure on centre bore of NSX, but you could always get that drilled out if required. Merc Centre Bore is usually large 76.1mm or something.

Edited to say:-

you are mad even considering non-Jap wheels on the car. Jap wheels are by far the best made in the world, highest quality etc, and where BBS split rims are manufactured (they are only ever assembled in Germany).
You have a wealth of wheels available, SSR, Work, Neez (forged magnesium!!), Weds. All available as custom fitment for your car. Not cheap, but better than rubbish like Image wheels etc we get in this country.

Edited by david_h on Monday 27th October 14:20

[sassthathoopie]

david_h said:

Sorry I've not been able to read the whole thread
Edited to say:-

you are mad even considering non-Jap wheels on the car. Jap wheels are by far the best made in the world, highest quality etc, and where BBS split rims are manufactured (they are only ever assembled in Germany).
You have a wealth of wheels available, SSR, Work, Neez (forged magnesium!!), Weds. All available as custom fitment for your car. Not cheap, but better than rubbish like Image wheels etc we get in this country.

Currently on the top of my list of wheels I know will fit are Hondas OEM NSX wheels (Built by BBS in Japan), Work Emotion XT7s, and Work VS-XX (not disimilar to BBS LM). The S2000 wheels will be almost certainly made in Japan, and I'd be suprised if Mercedes cheaped out on their SLK wheels.

I do appreciate that there are some great Japanese wheels out there. It's just that when you personally import what is already a very expensive set of wheels it costs a fortune. I rechecked my Honda quote yesterday for 2002+ NSX wheels: £5606 inc VAT but without tyres...

Thanks for the suggestions on wobble bolts.

S2000 wheels look favourite at the moment

[FNG]

[quote=sassthathoopie]...I might need a small spacer that fits into the wheel between the studs - but not over them. The spacer helps support the wheel but doesn't physically move its position relative to the hub.

Has anyone come across this before?/quote]

That's a centre bore adapter or spigot ring, usually plastic. Fits at the rear of the wheel centre hole and slides over the centre of the hub flange.

Purpose is to support the rim, as said, and also to ensure it's perfectly centred on the hub before the nuts / bolts are tightened.

Practically every aftermarket wheel will need centre bore adapters, perfectly normal, only cost a few quid.

[aeropilot]

sassthathoopie said:

I do appreciate that there are some great Japanese wheels out there. It's just that when you personally import what is already a very expensive set of wheels it costs a fortune. I rechecked my Honda quote yesterday for 2002+ NSX wheels: £5606 inc VAT but without tyres...

Why do you need to personal import....?

I know Rays have UK agents, other Jap wheel makers must have as well.....unless you are after something that you can't get here at all...?

[dickkark]

OJ said:

dickkark said:

sassthathoopie said:

Wouldn't that reduce the strength of the hub?

No,not at all.
I have ally hubs on my capri,they are basically a tubular holder for the bearing with four `petals` sticking out at one end,one for each stud.
these are made for race/rally mk1-2 escorts,if they can take that sort of stick the cast iron ones on your car will be more than up to the job.
not forgetting when the disc is fitted to the front of the hub it will also need drilling.
BTW some merc hubs are drilled in this fashion from stock.
Please read what I said originally

Would be very careful with that, 90's CAD engineered Honda will be more tightly engineered than 60's-70's Ford or ancient Hot Rods designed on hand calcs and intuition

what the hell has that got to do with it,its just a bit of machining?
My ally hubs are a modern bit of kit, billet cnc machined for competition,far better quality than some cast iron hub from a factory produced car of the eighties,not that it makes a blind bit of difference.
(even though they are designed to be fitted to cars that regularly will take off and land full weight on said hubs)
All you are doing is changing the position of the bolts on the hub,not altering any geometry at all.the wheel will still sit in the same place.
redrilling hubs will make no difference whether its a nsx,a daf 33 or a veyron.

[MrFlibbles]

sassthathoopie said:

S2000 wheels look favourite at the moment

Which year?

[sassthathoopie]

MrFlibbles said:

sassthathoopie said:

S2000 wheels look favourite at the moment

Which year?

I can't decide between the 2004-6 10 spoke and the 2007 10 spoke. Need to look at some in the flesh I think. See the photoshop pictures I posted on Friday. Opinions?

Edited by sassthathoopie on Monday 27th October 20:52

[sassthathoopie]

aeropilot said:

sassthathoopie said:

I do appreciate that there are some great Japanese wheels out there. It's just that when you personally import what is already a very expensive set of wheels it costs a fortune. I rechecked my Honda quote yesterday for 2002+ NSX wheels: £5606 inc VAT but without tyres...

Why do you need to personal import....?

I know Rays have UK agents, other Jap wheel makers must have as well.....unless you are after something that you can't get here at all...?

You're right I don't have too. I can get good Japanese wheels from vtecdirect. In practise though that is what you are doing; and it's priced and timed into their offer. Unfortunately they don't carry (many/any?) NSX wheels as stock.

2nd hand Acura NSX wheels can be had in US without too much difficulty, it's the inspection, delivery and import that are the tricky bits.

[sassthathoopie]

Well after a couple of hours on www.nsxprime.com I've discovered that S2000 wheels from prior to 2006 fit on the later cars.



But not on NSXs 1991-94 (like mine) without a spacer in addition to the expected hub centric spacer
but the jury is out on how large it needs to be in order to clear the brake calliper.

No one has yet tried the 2007+ 10 spoke S2000 wheel on a 91 NSX.


Just a reminder to S2000 owners of those beers available for a 30 min wheel brace meeting!

[Trooper2]

300bhp/ton said:

sassthathoopie said:

I have been trying to find some replacement alloy wheels for my 1991 Honda NSX and it is a nightmare. Suffice to say I have had to become an expert on staggers, potential handling traits, wheel weights, offsets and wheel/tire ratios!

I've finally found a wheel that I think would really suit the car, all the dimensions are correct except the stud pattern. The wheels are 5x112 and my studs are 5x114.3

If anyone has any suggestions as to how to convert my car to fit the wheels they'll be saving me around a grand and three months waiting for a parcel to arrive. Thanks in advance.



Bragging rights to the first person to guess the donor of the wheel

How much £££ are you willing to spend??

Some places will make wheels to fit, just tell them the specs and their CNC machine will cut the alloy.

I think the O.P. was trying to keep costs down, hence the thread......but what the hey, give Chip Foose a call!

[willd58]

Thought about some nice Volk's? TE37's or such?

[david_h]

sassthathoopie said:

Currently on the top of my list of wheels I know will fit are Hondas OEM NSX wheels (Built by BBS in Japan), Work Emotion XT7s, and Work VS-XX (not disimilar to BBS LM). The S2000 wheels will be almost certainly made in Japan, and I'd be suprised if Mercedes cheaped out on their SLK wheels.

I do appreciate that there are some great Japanese wheels out there. It's just that when you personally import what is already a very expensive set of wheels it costs a fortune. I rechecked my Honda quote yesterday for 2002+ NSX wheels: £5606 inc VAT but without tyres...

Thanks for the suggestions on wobble bolts.

S2000 wheels look favourite at the moment

Sorry but I think you are nuts to consider buying an S2000 OEM rim for over £5,600. They will only be one piece cast alloy and if they are forged they won't be super light.
Generally speaking a set of 2/3 piece cast alloy Jap rims for your car will set you back at around £2.5k all in.

The one piece Work Emotions are cheaper around £1100 all in, but again cast.
The Volk one piece are mainly forged so a bit more expensive.

If I had £3k to play with I'd go buy a set of Neez wheels, they are fully forged alloy or magnesium, very high grade, made to your stud pattern offset etc. A new company with super light, super strong wheels, better even than Volk.

Work and SSR also do forged centred wheels as well but they start at £3k.
You should not try personal importing, it is too expensive for jap stuff. Jap dealers in the UK receive up to 50% discount on the domestic Japanese price of these wheels because the cost of shipping is so expensive.

I will add, the JPY has risen by 25% in 2 weeks, the prices above are before this move. It kills any chance of a cheap set of wheels.
I know Andy at Sumo Power often has containers sent over of parts/wheels and this will be the cheapest way of getting your wheels.
Lead time to build a full set of custom wheels is 8 weeks, then you have container shipping time too. You can air freight them but it costs around £900 in shipping, taxes and vat via fed-ex.

hope this helps

[ian2144]

Have a look on this site, www.imagewheels.co.uk they make wheels to fit just about anything.

[sassthathoopie]

david_h said:

sassthathoopie said:

Currently on the top of my list of wheels I know will fit are Hondas OEM NSX wheels (Built by BBS in Japan), Work Emotion XT7s, and Work VS-XX (not disimilar to BBS LM). The S2000 wheels will be almost certainly made in Japan, and I'd be suprised if Mercedes cheaped out on their SLK wheels.

I do appreciate that there are some great Japanese wheels out there. It's just that when you personally import what is already a very expensive set of wheels it costs a fortune. I rechecked my Honda quote yesterday for 2002+ NSX wheels: £5606 inc VAT but without tyres...

Thanks for the suggestions on wobble bolts.

S2000 wheels look favourite at the moment

Sorry but I think you are nuts to consider buying an S2000 OEM rim for over £5,600. They will only be one piece cast alloy and if they are forged they won't be super light.
Generally speaking a set of 2/3 piece cast alloy Jap rims for your car will set you back at around £2.5k all in.

The one piece Work Emotions are cheaper around £1100 all in, but again cast.
The Volk one piece are mainly forged so a bit more expensive.

If I had £3k to play with I'd go buy a set of Neez wheels, they are fully forged alloy or magnesium, very high grade, made to your stud pattern offset etc. A new company with super light, super strong wheels, better even than Volk.

Work and SSR also do forged centred wheels as well but they start at £3k.
You should not try personal importing, it is too expensive for jap stuff. Jap dealers in the UK receive up to 50% discount on the domestic Japanese price of these wheels because the cost of shipping is so expensive.

I will add, the JPY has risen by 25% in 2 weeks, the prices above are before this move. It kills any chance of a cheap set of wheels.
I know Andy at Sumo Power often has containers sent over of parts/wheels and this will be the cheapest way of getting your wheels.
Lead time to build a full set of custom wheels is 8 weeks, then you have container shipping time too. You can air freight them but it costs around £900 in shipping, taxes and vat via fed-ex.

hope this helps

I'm not sure how you've managed to get the wrong end of the stick so firmly! Read the whole thread and then you might understand where I'm coming from!

I wanted Honda's 2002+ NSX wheel. For which Honda UK are charging £5606 plus fitting for a set of 4. Best option for new wheels looks like Work XT7s (see above) for £1250 ish. The thread started because I wanted a more OEM looking wheel set that wasn't stupid money (hence why I'm not buying Volks - very nice, good sizes, but very pricey and very aftermarket looking)

Since S2000s seem to get pranged regularly I am looking into fitting a set of 2007 S2000 wheels, which at current market prices would be about 300/400 quid. I'd need to change the front tyres, but the rears would probably be OK.

If I had three grand I was willing to spend on new rims I wouldn't have started the thread!

Thanks for the recommendation of Sumo Power, I'll look into it.

[david_h]

sassthathoopie said:

david_h said:

sassthathoopie said:

Currently on the top of my list of wheels I know will fit are Hondas OEM NSX wheels (Built by BBS in Japan), Work Emotion XT7s, and Work VS-XX (not disimilar to BBS LM). The S2000 wheels will be almost certainly made in Japan, and I'd be suprised if Mercedes cheaped out on their SLK wheels.

I do appreciate that there are some great Japanese wheels out there. It's just that when you personally import what is already a very expensive set of wheels it costs a fortune. I rechecked my Honda quote yesterday for 2002+ NSX wheels: £5606 inc VAT but without tyres...

Thanks for the suggestions on wobble bolts.

S2000 wheels look favourite at the moment

Sorry but I think you are nuts to consider buying an S2000 OEM rim for over £5,600. They will only be one piece cast alloy and if they are forged they won't be super light.
Generally speaking a set of 2/3 piece cast alloy Jap rims for your car will set you back at around £2.5k all in.

The one piece Work Emotions are cheaper around £1100 all in, but again cast.
The Volk one piece are mainly forged so a bit more expensive.

If I had £3k to play with I'd go buy a set of Neez wheels, they are fully forged alloy or magnesium, very high grade, made to your stud pattern offset etc. A new company with super light, super strong wheels, better even than Volk.

Work and SSR also do forged centred wheels as well but they start at £3k.
You should not try personal importing, it is too expensive for jap stuff. Jap dealers in the UK receive up to 50% discount on the domestic Japanese price of these wheels because the cost of shipping is so expensive.

I will add, the JPY has risen by 25% in 2 weeks, the prices above are before this move. It kills any chance of a cheap set of wheels.
I know Andy at Sumo Power often has containers sent over of parts/wheels and this will be the cheapest way of getting your wheels.
Lead time to build a full set of custom wheels is 8 weeks, then you have container shipping time too. You can air freight them but it costs around £900 in shipping, taxes and vat via fed-ex.

hope this helps

I'm not sure how you've managed to get the wrong end of the stick so firmly! Read the whole thread and then you might understand where I'm coming from!

I wanted Honda's 2002+ NSX wheel. For which Honda UK are charging £5606 plus fitting for a set of 4. Best option for new wheels looks like Work XT7s (see above) for £1250 ish. The thread started because I wanted a more OEM looking wheel set that wasn't stupid money (hence why I'm not buying Volks - very nice, good sizes, but very pricey and very aftermarket looking)

Since S2000s seem to get pranged regularly I am looking into fitting a set of 2007 S2000 wheels, which at current market prices would be about 300/400 quid. I'd need to change the front tyres, but the rears would probably be OK.

If I had three grand I was willing to spend on new rims I wouldn't have started the thread!

Thanks for the recommendation of Sumo Power, I'll look into it.

My apologies for not reading the full thread.

I would keep the original wheels if you cannot afford any that improve the performance of the car from being lighter.

[zcacogp]

david_h said:

I would keep the original wheels if you cannot afford any that improve the performance of the car from being lighter.

Wrong end of the stick aside, this is sound advice.


Oli.

[sassthathoopie]

I will be keeping the originals, so that I can put the car back to 'unmolested' state if that's what a future buyer is looking for.