RE: How to ruin a Porsche 964 RS - video
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Simon Bibby said:
i think olberj's the sort of guy who has a drawer for his brown socks and y fronts, a similar drawer for his green ones, and the same again for his burgendy ones
has 3 square meals a day with 2 toilet breaks, making sure he drinks his milk for calcium intake, then continues on with his 5 pieces of fruit and veg for vit c etc, also gets at least an hours sunlight per day so he can have the correct vit d levels etc etc
ie he believes in only things he has been told, or been told how things should be, and can not think outside the box as to, maybe somethings can be and are just different well simply as they are!
were not criticising here, i actually dont think anyone is, were just realising to a deeper level that god most certianly made him/her "different"
Whatever his views on this car and the question he has posed, that description doesn't tie in with the person.has 3 square meals a day with 2 toilet breaks, making sure he drinks his milk for calcium intake, then continues on with his 5 pieces of fruit and veg for vit c etc, also gets at least an hours sunlight per day so he can have the correct vit d levels etc etc
ie he believes in only things he has been told, or been told how things should be, and can not think outside the box as to, maybe somethings can be and are just different well simply as they are!
were not criticising here, i actually dont think anyone is, were just realising to a deeper level that god most certianly made him/her "different"
He builds MR2s with bonkers engines for a start.
Just a thought - is anyone aware of the South Park episode where everyone ignores Cartman for constantly being obtuse and awkward? Perhaps we could apply the same technique here the next time OlberJ fails to understand the difference between right and wrong, and personal preference. I think it would save everyone a lot of time 
MJDM said:
Just a thought - is anyone aware of the South Park episode where everyone ignores Cartman for constantly being obtuse and awkward? Perhaps we could apply the same technique here the next time OlberJ fails to understand the difference between right and wrong, and personal preference. I think it would save everyone a lot of time
He hasn't though.Regardless of whether I agree with his view or not the question stands as he asked it.
If people cannot answer a question of reasoning behind aesthetic choice then fair enough but that doesn't make the question wrong.
The question wasn't about personal preference, it was about the principle behind a decision. What was/is the aesthetic goal.
No need for people to get so upset about it. Just answer the question in your own words.
More than a few people have answered the question already - but the message is not getting through. The subsequent replies are verging on trolling. I shall also try to explain in my own words:
2+2 = 4 RIGHT
2+2 = 5 WRONG
Porsche with after market rims and suspension - PERSONAL OPINION (there is no right or wrong here).
2+2 = 4 RIGHT
2+2 = 5 WRONG
Porsche with after market rims and suspension - PERSONAL OPINION (there is no right or wrong here).
MJDM said:
More than a few people have answered the question already - but the message is not getting through. The subsequent replies are verging on trolling. I shall also try to explain in my own words:
2+2 = 4 RIGHT
2+2 = 5 WRONG
Porsche with after market rims and suspension - PERSONAL OPINION (there is no right or wrong here).
No, they haven't answered the question he asked.2+2 = 4 RIGHT
2+2 = 5 WRONG
Porsche with after market rims and suspension - PERSONAL OPINION (there is no right or wrong here).
What has happened is that people have taken the dislike personally and keep going on about personal opinion.
Anyone who does something for aesthetic purposes does so with an aim. Explain the aim of this aesthetic choice.
In that question there is nothing about like/dislike or personal opinion.
Porker looks nice
Woman looks nice
RS looks nice
Cerb looks nice if the bling were reduced, colour less garish and some DTM track style 18 spokes were fitted..
Cars look cooler when they mimic their racing counterparts. They look even better when they are on the track, mimicking their racing counterparts.
I'd like to pioneer a new phrase if possible:
This thread is useless without some common sense.
Woman looks nice
RS looks nice
Cerb looks nice if the bling were reduced, colour less garish and some DTM track style 18 spokes were fitted..
Cars look cooler when they mimic their racing counterparts. They look even better when they are on the track, mimicking their racing counterparts.
I'd like to pioneer a new phrase if possible:
This thread is useless without some common sense.
Gaz. said:
Autistics lack the ability to express themselves and make themselves understood as well as unable to understand others, Olber has asked a fairly reasonable question that gets asked a thousand times a day on this site, a question that is answered quickly without issue on most occasions.
TBF I think the question he was asking was unanswerable. At least the one I saw anyway.
Urban Sports said:
TBF I think the question he was asking was unanswerable. At least the one I saw anyway.
Really?I thought it was quite straight forward.
I'm not out to prove anything, i'm not spoiling for a fight or trolling, 90% of the folk on here will know that. It was a genuine question to try and work out why you would want your car to look like that parked up.
C'est la vie, i'll just need to keep looking and shaking my head in bewilderment.
OlberJ said:
Urban Sports said:
TBF I think the question he was asking was unanswerable. At least the one I saw anyway.
Really?I thought it was quite straight forward.
I'm not out to prove anything, i'm not spoiling for a fight or trolling, 90% of the folk on here will know that. It was a genuine question to try and work out why you would want your car to look like that parked up.
C'est la vie, i'll just need to keep looking and shaking my head in bewilderment.
Urban Sports said:
If it could have been answered I think it would have been by now.
If you were to ask Peter Stevens or Ian Callum why they think a design of theirs looks good, do you think they would say it is just persona opinion?Do you think they would start saying things like 2+2 = 4 but this is unanswerable?
KB_S1 said:
Urban Sports said:
If it could have been answered I think it would have been by now.
If you were to ask Peter Stevens or Ian Callum why they think a design of theirs looks good, do you think they would say it is just persona opinion?Do you think they would start saying things like 2+2 = 4 but this is unanswerable?
Just find anyone that designs something for a living or fun.
Take away the personal interest and it is not that difficult.
I am pretty sure the owner of this car, whose posts on this forum were very reasonable, could answer the question with ease and insight.
The level of effort and workmanship shows that it wasn't a case of buying stick on bits that someone told him were cool.
There was a plan, research and a very high standard of execution.
The question simply was to understand what the aesthetic aim was.
Take away the personal interest and it is not that difficult.
I am pretty sure the owner of this car, whose posts on this forum were very reasonable, could answer the question with ease and insight.
The level of effort and workmanship shows that it wasn't a case of buying stick on bits that someone told him were cool.
There was a plan, research and a very high standard of execution.
The question simply was to understand what the aesthetic aim was.
KB_S1 said:
Just find anyone that designs something for a living or fun.
Take away the personal interest and it is not that difficult.
I am pretty sure the owner of this car, whose posts on this forum were very reasonable, could answer the question with ease and insight.
The level of effort and workmanship shows that it wasn't a case of buying stick on bits that someone told him were cool.
There was a plan, research and a very high standard of execution.
The question simply was to understand what the aesthetic aim was.
Really?Take away the personal interest and it is not that difficult.
I am pretty sure the owner of this car, whose posts on this forum were very reasonable, could answer the question with ease and insight.
The level of effort and workmanship shows that it wasn't a case of buying stick on bits that someone told him were cool.
There was a plan, research and a very high standard of execution.
The question simply was to understand what the aesthetic aim was.
This was one of the questions:
OlberJ said:
It matters because when a car looks like that, it looks broken.
I don't like to see cars looking broken.
Less so when they are nice cars.
Why do something like this to a car. Is it for comedic effect? "Look my car's broke...nahhh just kiddin"
I don't like to see cars looking broken.
Less so when they are nice cars.
Why do something like this to a car. Is it for comedic effect? "Look my car's broke...nahhh just kiddin"
Edited by Urban Sports on Saturday 11th February 13:52
Urban Sports said:
KB_S1 said:
Just find anyone that designs something for a living or fun.
Take away the personal interest and it is not that difficult.
I am pretty sure the owner of this car, whose posts on this forum were very reasonable, could answer the question with ease and insight.
The level of effort and workmanship shows that it wasn't a case of buying stick on bits that someone told him were cool.
There was a plan, research and a very high standard of execution.
The question simply was to understand what the aesthetic aim was.
Take away the personal interest, and what are you left with? This Porsche has been modified for no reason other than personal interest. The question has been answered many times. I find it impossible to believe that somebody who modifies their own car can not grasp this. Take away the personal interest and it is not that difficult.
I am pretty sure the owner of this car, whose posts on this forum were very reasonable, could answer the question with ease and insight.
The level of effort and workmanship shows that it wasn't a case of buying stick on bits that someone told him were cool.
There was a plan, research and a very high standard of execution.
The question simply was to understand what the aesthetic aim was.
If you DO take away the personal interest, then yes, it is not that difficult! Quite clearly, the owners aesthetic aim was to have a silver Porsche, slammed, with wider than standard polished rims and tyres stretched over them. Its pretty easy to work out!
I also find it hard to believe that somebody who modifies cars can be so short sighted with regards to somebody else's efforts. Some comments aimed in the direction of the Porsche over the last few pages:
"It looks broken"
"It just looks like an inanimate slab of metal"
"It looks like the tyre is crapping a rim out of a prolapsed anus"
"Proportionally, when it's like that, it just looks wrong. Not bad taste, physically wrong. It doesn't look like a car any more."
"Is it that it looks no longer like a car and more of a paperweight?"
C'mon, why stick up for a person who says that stuff about someone else's motor?
I am not sticking up for anyone. I am simply pointing out there is a difference between asking a question regarding aesthetic aims and personal opinion.
Personal opinion is whether you like that aesthetic aim or not.
There have been some derogatory comments towards the car, yes but that is not what I am commenting on.
I have to go through this on a constant basis in my work. There is much I do not like that is good according to the people who do like it. If I am to understand it, help them achieve it or do something with it I must understand what it is that is liked about it. If the client cannot communicate the WHY then we will get nowhere.
Personal opinion is whether you like that aesthetic aim or not.
There have been some derogatory comments towards the car, yes but that is not what I am commenting on.
I have to go through this on a constant basis in my work. There is much I do not like that is good according to the people who do like it. If I am to understand it, help them achieve it or do something with it I must understand what it is that is liked about it. If the client cannot communicate the WHY then we will get nowhere.
Hmm yeah I can definitely see what your getting at. Its just that I get the impression that somebody who writes those sort of comments clearly has an attitude that says "I'm right, everyone else is wrong". And no matter how clearly the question is answered, they will fail to understand the answer.
MJDM said:
Hmm yeah I can definitely see what your getting at. Its just that I get the impression that somebody who writes those sort of comments clearly has an attitude that says "I'm right, everyone else is wrong". And no matter how clearly the question is answered, they will fail to understand the answer.
Why not try answering the question first and see if the asker can understand that answer?So far no one has even attempted to do so.
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