So I did buy some LingLong Ditchfinders

So I did buy some LingLong Ditchfinders

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Fastchas

2,659 posts

123 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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xjay1337 said:
They're called ditchfinders because they are crap.

UHP tyre technology has plateaued somewhat. I can't see much more improvement over the next 10 years, maybe no more than 5% in any particular category.

Linglongs for example will never be on the same playing field.
Development/evolution is like that though. You can't see the improvements gained until you look back over time. Your comment could have sounded as pertinent in 1999 but has development not improved in 17/18 years?

Countdown

40,216 posts

198 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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M-SportMatt said:
If you use your loaf you know that the energy of the car is relative to its speed and its weight,
Ke = 1/2 x mv^2

M-SportMatt said:
your braking power is a constant ( assuming discs/pads are in spec and don't over heat)
Ok, let's go with that for the sake of argument.

M-SportMatt said:
As the car slows its energy becomes less and the braking force remains constant, therefore its reasonable to assume that retardation increases as the speed drops.
Nope. Force=Mass x Acceleration (or deceleration in this case). If Force and mass are constant then deceleration is constant

Countdown

40,216 posts

198 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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The Spruce goose said:
The Mad Monk said:
Do you have evidence to demonstrate that?
yes i zoomed in on the video and could clearly see the words. Ditchfinder gtx 2000
I thought being called "GTX 2000" meant it's a premium brand?

xjay1337

15,966 posts

120 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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Fastchas said:
Development/evolution is like that though. You can't see the improvements gained until you look back over time. Your comment could have sounded as pertinent in 1999 but has development not improved in 17/18 years?
Well yes, but there comes a point where you can't get any more grip from a tyre without taking it "up a notch" eg to a semi slick.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

128 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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Countdown said:
The Spruce goose said:
The Mad Monk said:
Do you have evidence to demonstrate that?
yes i zoomed in on the video and could clearly see the words. Ditchfinder gtx 2000
I thought being called "GTX 2000" meant it's a premium brand?
As much grip as two litres of Castrol.

M-SportMatt

1,923 posts

140 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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Countdown said:
ope. Force=Mass x Acceleration (or deceleration in this case). If Force and mass are constant then deceleration is constant
http://ijtte.com/uploads/2012-10-01/5ebd8343-9b9c-b1d4IJTTE%20vol2%20no3%20(7).pdf

Read page 265 Para 5

As I said, i'd read something recently about the study of deceleration rates and them not being constant

Countdown

40,216 posts

198 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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M-SportMatt said:
http://ijtte.com/uploads/2012-10-01/5ebd8343-9b9c-...

Read page 265 Para 5

As I said, i'd read something recently about the study of deceleration rates and them not being constant
Which is fair enough. But that's not what you said in your previous post.

Figure 5 shows that deceleration rates increase and then decrease as the car slows.

Frankthered

1,625 posts

182 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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TooMany2cvs said:
Countdown said:
The Spruce goose said:
The Mad Monk said:
Do you have evidence to demonstrate that?
yes i zoomed in on the video and could clearly see the words. Ditchfinder gtx 2000
I thought being called "GTX 2000" meant it's a premium brand?
As much grip as two litres of Castrol.
I hear that Magnatec stuff can be quite grippy!

M-SportMatt

1,923 posts

140 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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Countdown said:
Which is fair enough. But that's not what you said in your previous post.

Figure 5 shows that deceleration rates increase and then decrease as the car slows.
Yes i wasn't quite getting it right

I think the point to remember is that each 10kmh of retardation will happen in a shorter and shorter distance and vice versa as its quadratic

ie 10m to stop form 50kmh would be 40m to stop from 100kmh

Frankthered

1,625 posts

182 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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M-SportMatt said:
Countdown said:
Which is fair enough. But that's not what you said in your previous post.

Figure 5 shows that deceleration rates increase and then decrease as the car slows.
Yes i wasn't quite getting it right

I think the point to remember is that each 10kmh of retardation will happen in a shorter and shorter distance and vice versa as its quadratic

ie 10m to stop form 50kmh would be 40m to stop from 100kmh
Which supports the premise that a relatively small reduction in speed at the start of the manoeuvre may give rise to a significant reduction in stopping distance.

Countdown

40,216 posts

198 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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Frankthered said:
Which supports the premise that a relatively small reduction in speed at the start of the manoeuvre may give rise to a significant reduction in stopping distance.
16% reduction if speed is reduced from 60 to 55
22% reduction if speed is reduced from 35 to 30

MorganP104

2,605 posts

132 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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I bought some decent quality mid-range tyres for my decent quality mid-range Merc with its decent quality mid-range performance.

Seems fine so far.

Joking apart, as long as you don't go too cheap, surely buying the right sort of the tyres for the car is more is more important than getting the "best" brand?

For example, would I put Eagle F1s on a Nissan Micra? Of course not! But, by the same token, I wouldn't put "Micra suitable" tyres on a BMW M5.

SWoll

18,690 posts

260 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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Fastchas said:
If your Pirelli's stop in, say 30m and reviews are the best ever, then in 5 years time they improve and stop in 25m but in this time the ditchfinders have improved and stop in 30m, does this mean the ditchfinders are crap?
Relatively yes, and that's what's being discussed. You're also assuming the rate of development in budget tyres is the same as premium, which is clearly not going to be the case as the producers have little incentive to invest in development when cost seems to be the only selling point.


anonymous-user

56 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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As with most discussions on tyres, this thread is just going round in circlessmile

For now, I'll stick to my current pairs of 'Mazzini' and 'Roadstone' tyres, and will let you know when I have an accident for which they can be held at fault. If I'm mortally wounded, I will make contact via Ouija board...

fivepointnine

708 posts

116 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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MorganP104 said:
I bought some decent quality mid-range tyres for my decent quality mid-range Merc with its decent quality mid-range performance.

Seems fine so far.

Joking apart, as long as you don't go too cheap, surely buying the right sort of the tyres for the car is more is more important than getting the "best" brand?

For example, would I put Eagle F1s on a Nissan Micra? Of course not! But, by the same token, I wouldn't put "Micra suitable" tyres on a BMW M5.
You are wrong lol. According to most posters on here, your Micra needs Michelin PS4's (nothing less) and the M5 needs semi-slick track tyres.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

120 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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fivepointnine said:
You are wrong lol. According to most posters on here, your Micra needs Michelin PS4's (nothing less) and the M5 needs semi-slick track tyres.
I don't think that's true at all and a total misrepresentation of what "most posters " have posted.


EazyDuz

2,013 posts

110 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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Rubber is rubber tbf, no tyre will save you if you dont practice reaction times by playing videogames or some kind of sport.

jon-

16,513 posts

218 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2017-Auto-Bil...

They included a "star performer" tyre, which isn't the worst of the budgets by a long way.

12 meters longer wet braking from 62mph compared to the Hankook. That's a fairly big crash.

The dry was 3.6 meters, that's still a hard bump.

otolith

56,649 posts

206 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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For a Micra, if you just go to Kwik Fit, four of the cheapest tyres will cost you about £160. Four GoodYears or Dunlops, about £240. Four Michelins or Continentals, about £280. So £120 between cheapest and most expensive and £80 between cheapest and premium. You could probably split the difference between ditchfinders and the Goodyears/Dunlops and get something Barum/Falken/etc for about £200, thus saving yourself 40 quid on a premium brand tyre. If you rotate them and replace in sets, and assuming that they all last the same distance, what does that work out as per mile or per month? Peanuts, in the grand scheme of things. Even harder to justify cheaping out on tyres that are cheap to begin with, IMO.

Zingari

904 posts

175 months

Thursday 9th March 2017
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I bought some Nankangs for the rear of my Audi about 7yrs ago. The damn things won't wear out and after 80k miles there's still 4mm tread left! They've also never put me in a ditch. Age will see them moved on later this year.