Cyclists without lights - something needs to be done
Discussion
lyonspride said:
WinstonWolf said:
bigdom said:
WinstonWolf said:
I like that top, what is it?
Bioracer winter jacket
It's always a case of damned either way when it comes to cyclists v drivers.
lyonspride said:
Runs the risk of drivers doing the classic "pfft, he thinks he's better than everyone else in his fancy reflective top, I must make a point of running him down".
It's always a case of damned either way when it comes to cyclists v drivers.
I think that reveals an awful lot about you.It's always a case of damned either way when it comes to cyclists v drivers.
Ares said:
lyonspride said:
WinstonWolf said:
bigdom said:
WinstonWolf said:
I like that top, what is it?
Bioracer winter jacketIt's always a case of damned either way when it comes to cyclists v drivers.
Whilst some drivers want cyclists to have lights, others will get arsey about them being as bright as a car, whilst some want to see cyclists in hi viz, others will target cyclists because of the hi viz.
Society is diseased, there are people out there who just spend their f**king days looking for something or someone to be offended by, and when those people are in a metal box, they feel they have the right to not only feel offended, but also to lash out at the thing they're offended by.
The responses in this topic are like something from the Daily Mail. Cyclists should have lights, true and many don't, just like drivers shouldn't be on their 'phones, shouldn't have half their lights defective, shouldn't be using DRL's only at night, shouldn't drink & drive, shouldn't take drugs and drive, shouldn't kill and maim people every single day, shouldn't be 
s that drive along the fking pavement in front of my kids school, shouldn't tailgate and drive like aggressive cocks, shouldn't get so wound up about stuff that they have road rage attacks. There is so much wrong with road behaviour that I really don't understand why some people are so obsessed with cyclists.
I drive, I walk, I cycle. Cyclists are the least of my worries.
s that drive along the fking pavement in front of my kids school, shouldn't tailgate and drive like aggressive cocks, shouldn't get so wound up about stuff that they have road rage attacks. There is so much wrong with road behaviour that I really don't understand why some people are so obsessed with cyclists.I drive, I walk, I cycle. Cyclists are the least of my worries.
I saw a cyclist with no lights riding the wrong way down a one way street last night. He had 3 near misses in the 30 seconds I saw him. About an hour later I just about saw a grey MINI on a country lane with no lights on, no front numberplate and even the chrome trim was blacked out. Idiots can use 4 wheels or 2.
GOATever said:
Ares said:
In central London? With street lighting so bright it's permanent daylight?
Quite, you can see the roads in central London from space ( pretty much ) and I believe there’s a frequently overlooked stipulation about lights on vehicles in relation to street light spacing, which means that you don’t actually need lights in certain areas, if there’s sufficient street lighting.Anyway at least we've established lights are not needed after all as every street in London is lit up like the Singapore GP circuit, next time I'm there I shall be sure to turn mine off!
cb1965 said:
These are the ultimate thread comments of the type that occur in all these cycling threads. No matter what cyclists do even it it's technically against the law it's always a non-issue, perhaps they'd like to extend the same courtesy to drivers when they go 10mph over a motorway limit... but no as then they'd lose the hypocrite argument which, as I said, ironically makes them hypocrites!
As usual you've misrepresented what people have said to suit your agenda. "They" haven't complained about people exceeding the motorway limit by 10mph. "They" have complained about your lot insisting that cyclists should obey the rules like "you" have to, whilst hypocritically overlooking that "you" don't obey the rules yourselves. But then you knew that didn't you? You keep accusing other people of being divisive but in reality it's you with your continual, inflammatory, statements about "your lot" and "them".Edited by Mave on Tuesday 20th November 18:49
Divisive Poster No. 1 said:
cb1965 said:
These are the ultimate thread comments of the type that occur in all these cycling threads. No matter what cyclists do even it it's technically against the law it's always a non-issue, perhaps they'd like to extend the same courtesy to drivers when they go 10mph over a motorway limit... but no as then they'd lose the hypocrite argument which, as I said, ironically makes them hypocrites!
As usual you've misrepresented what people have said to suit your agenda. "They" haven't complained about people exceeding the motorway limit by 10mph. "They" have complained about your lot insisting that cyclists should obey the rules like "you" have to, whilst hypocritically overlooking that "you" don't obey the rules yourselves. But then you knew that didn't you? You keep accusing other people of being divisive but in reality it's you with your continual, inflammatory, statements about "your lot" and "them".Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 20th November 18:49
The rest of your post is untruths and drivel as usual.
cb1965 said:
Mave said:
cb1965 said:
These are the ultimate thread comments of the type that occur in all these cycling threads. No matter what cyclists do even it it's technically against the law it's always a non-issue, perhaps they'd like to extend the same courtesy to drivers when they go 10mph over a motorway limit... but no as then they'd lose the hypocrite argument which, as I said, ironically makes them hypocrites!
As usual you've misrepresented what people have said to suit your agenda. "They" haven't complained about people exceeding the motorway limit by 10mph. "They" have complained about your lot insisting that cyclists should obey the rules like "you" have to, whilst hypocritically overlooking that "you" don't obey the rules yourselves. But then you knew that didn't you? You keep accusing other people of being divisive but in reality it's you with your continual, inflammatory, statements about "your lot" and "them".The rest of your post is untruths and drivel as usual.
Edited by Mave on Wednesday 21st November 08:08
cb1965 said:
heebeegeebee does exactly that every time as well you know.
I do absolutely nothing of the sort I’m the person who doesn’t complain, I simply point out to you and the haters that’s it hypocritical of you all to complain so much when you behave no differently.
Are you seriously saying I complain about others exceeding speed limits by 10mph? Christ, I don’t think I’ve ever done a journey without breaking speed limits in my life! I’ve just done it now, on my way to work, along with everybody else.
What I don’t do is I don’t break rules and then complain others doing the same. I don’t buy a fast car and I don’t celebrate speed and then complain about cyclists breaking rules. I’m not hypocritical.
Incidentally, the points above about city street lighting, every night millions of cars are parked unlit on city streets, and I haven’t had trouble seeing them yet.
Now the daylight hours are short I am now seeing plenty of pedestrians crossing roads in the dark without the reflective gear advised by the HC, but I’m still seeing them as I always have.
All of us road users all behave much the same, as others have said, there really is no them and us. That only exists in the minds of the wierdos, imo.
cb1965 said:
Divisive Poster No. 1 said:
cb1965 said:
These are the ultimate thread comments of the type that occur in all these cycling threads. No matter what cyclists do even it it's technically against the law it's always a non-issue, perhaps they'd like to extend the same courtesy to drivers when they go 10mph over a motorway limit... but no as then they'd lose the hypocrite argument which, as I said, ironically makes them hypocrites!
As usual you've misrepresented what people have said to suit your agenda. "They" haven't complained about people exceeding the motorway limit by 10mph. "They" have complained about your lot insisting that cyclists should obey the rules like "you" have to, whilst hypocritically overlooking that "you" don't obey the rules yourselves. But then you knew that didn't you? You keep accusing other people of being divisive but in reality it's you with your continual, inflammatory, statements about "your lot" and "them".Edited by Mave on Tuesday 20th November 18:49
The rest of your post is untruths and drivel as usual.
will_ said:
cb1965 said:
Anyway at least we've established lights are not needed after all as every street in London is lit up like the Singapore GP circuit, next time I'm there I shall be sure to turn mine off!
I thought you were scared of London?heebeegeetee said:
cb1965 said:
heebeegeebee does exactly that every time as well you know.
I do absolutely nothing of the sort I’m the person who doesn’t complain, I simply point out to you and the haters that’s it hypocritical of you all to complain so much when you behave no differently.
Are you seriously saying I complain about others exceeding speed limits by 10mph? Christ, I don’t think I’ve ever done a journey without breaking speed limits in my life! I’ve just done it now, on my way to work, along with everybody else.
That said you didn't mention 10mph over on a motorway which you now imply is acceptable so fair enough.
As a corollary to that then can you supply a chart of how much faster than the speed limits and on which types of road and road conditions we 'drivers' may travel and still have the right to criticise the holier than thou beings that are cyclists?
Thanks in advance.
heebeegeetee said:
Incidentally, the points above about city street lighting, every night millions of cars are parked unlit on city streets, and I haven’t had trouble seeing them yet.
Good point and I would say that a) they tend to be stationary and b) they tend not to be in the middle of the road, but what's the point... the law about having lights on moving vehicles at night is obviously completely daft 
cb1965 said:
heebeegeetee said:
cb1965 said:
heebeegeebee does exactly that every time as well you know.
I do absolutely nothing of the sort I’m the person who doesn’t complain, I simply point out to you and the haters that’s it hypocritical of you all to complain so much when you behave no differently.
Are you seriously saying I complain about others exceeding speed limits by 10mph? Christ, I don’t think I’ve ever done a journey without breaking speed limits in my life! I’ve just done it now, on my way to work, along with everybody else.
That said you didn't mention 10mph over on a motorway which you now imply is acceptable so fair enough.
As a corollary to that then can you supply a chart of how much faster than the speed limits and on which types of road and road conditions we 'drivers' may travel and still have the right to criticise the holier than thou beings that are cyclists?
Thanks in advance.
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