Petrol prices- when does the madness end?
Discussion
Smint said:
Similar here, artic blower tanker, tipping for roughly 1 hour at a time with blower/hydraulics running off the PTO.
Just out of interest, blowing a load off...ooer missus...uses between 7 and 9 litres of fuel, which doesn't man a big difference when the journey each way is 3+ hours and refill 150/200 litres, but a sizeable proportional hit on economy when the drop is 30 minutes away and refill is 45 litres.
I walked past an 07 plate Hino 8 wheel grabber picking up stone from some roadworks a couple of years ago, running probably around the 800rpm mark, engine sounded as sweet as any i've ever heard.
My own Diesel car hanging on as long as possible before going for a refill, hoping it might come down another 5p or so, in other news Morrisons again have no LPG for the last 3 weeks, forecourt claim calor say they have plenty of lpg but can't deliver for some reason also claim they are not answering calls, anyone's guess what is the truth any more.
Engine on the Hino might have sounded sweet-nothing else about them could be described as a positive-utter piece of sJust out of interest, blowing a load off...ooer missus...uses between 7 and 9 litres of fuel, which doesn't man a big difference when the journey each way is 3+ hours and refill 150/200 litres, but a sizeable proportional hit on economy when the drop is 30 minutes away and refill is 45 litres.
I walked past an 07 plate Hino 8 wheel grabber picking up stone from some roadworks a couple of years ago, running probably around the 800rpm mark, engine sounded as sweet as any i've ever heard.
My own Diesel car hanging on as long as possible before going for a refill, hoping it might come down another 5p or so, in other news Morrisons again have no LPG for the last 3 weeks, forecourt claim calor say they have plenty of lpg but can't deliver for some reason also claim they are not answering calls, anyone's guess what is the truth any more.
Edited by Smint on Saturday 23 July 13:29
t!!I’d rather drive a Bedford KM every day-I’m not joking
I can be using the crane all day some days and drive 50 miles,or do 250 miles and use the crane for 25 minutes-always varied.the switch on my crane for the hand throttle gives it 800 rpm,but if I’m in a hurry (blocking the road!) I can shove it up as high as I want using the cruise control-1100 rpm is about as high as I’ll go,end up blowing hoses otherwise lol
snoopy25 said:
Dg504 said:
EUR 1.89 just now for e10 at the hyper market - makes it about £1.61 so not bad. Even some of the autoroute services were 1.80 odd yesterday
Yep on West Coast France at the moment and it's €1.85 a litre for E10. However on the motorway down we saw E5 AT €2.32!!Hypermarkets def the cheapest out on France at the moment
I don't drive currently although I do regular check the price of petrol as awaiting for a new car, my local costco is £1.69, it does fluctuate every other day or so wonder when It wall fall back to its £1.30 mark there's only one man who can sort this mess out & that's RISHI SUNAK lol
28Kapital said:
I don't drive currently although I do regular check the price of petrol as awaiting for a new car, my local costco is £1.69, it does fluctuate every other day or so wonder when It wall fall back to its £1.30 mark there's only one man who can sort this mess out & that's RISHI SUNAK lol
Petrol doesn't have a 'mark' and no U.K. politician has any influence or control over the USD oil market. £1.60 is about where we'd be today without Covid. The £1.50s are about the best to hope for.
cobra kid said:
andburg said:
costco sheffield now down to 172.9 for unleaded (+6 Super, +10 diesel)
My neighbour goes there and offered me his card. He said the downside was a 20 minute queue to get in.Last Saturday morning the staff were checking membership cards at the pumps, so one to be wary of.
DonkeyApple said:
28Kapital said:
I don't drive currently although I do regular check the price of petrol as awaiting for a new car, my local costco is £1.69, it does fluctuate every other day or so wonder when It wall fall back to its £1.30 mark there's only one man who can sort this mess out & that's RISHI SUNAK lol
Petrol doesn't have a 'mark' and no U.K. politician has any influence or control over the USD oil market. £1.60 is about where we'd be today without Covid. The £1.50s are about the best to hope for.
ChocolateFrog said:
It's a sign of how warped perceptions now are that £1.50l sounds reasonable.
True but since 2014 we've had a devaluing £ against the USD and the market has been loaded up with more and more green costs so we've been in a rising market for petrol for nearly a decade. Pre Covid we were at around £1.40 so given an oil price back inline with recent pricing you'd expect pricing to be around £1.50-60 now anyway. Roman Rhodes said:
What makes you say that? It clearly isn’t the case.
It used to be one of their ‘things’ - but these days it’s quite easy to prove that isn’t the case. I was curious enough to get some wholesale prices from two friends of mine, one at a large dairy supplier and another at a soft drink manufacturer - there’s healthy margin in there.
Perhaps they mean once store staff, rent etc are factored in?
I don't have a clue how the pricing/ordering/delivery mechanisms work for the fuel stations but round here Esso and Shell are now the cheapest in town, by some margin.
Asda and Tesco are 6p or 7p more and have been consistently since the beginning of the year whereas they were always the cheapest by several pence.
What's changed for them not to bother to be competitive any more?
Asda and Tesco are 6p or 7p more and have been consistently since the beginning of the year whereas they were always the cheapest by several pence.
What's changed for them not to bother to be competitive any more?
Uncle Meat said:
I don't have a clue how the pricing/ordering/delivery mechanisms work for the fuel stations but round here Esso and Shell are now the cheapest in town, by some margin.
Asda and Tesco are 6p or 7p more and have been consistently since the beginning of the year whereas they were always the cheapest by several pence.
What's changed for them not to bother to be competitive any more?
I wonder if it's their wholesale buying model combining with not seeing enough change in consumer behaviour to warrant having to compete?Asda and Tesco are 6p or 7p more and have been consistently since the beginning of the year whereas they were always the cheapest by several pence.
What's changed for them not to bother to be competitive any more?
Uncle Meat said:
I don't have a clue how the pricing/ordering/delivery mechanisms work for the fuel stations but round here Esso and Shell are now the cheapest in town, by some margin.
Asda and Tesco are 6p or 7p more and have been consistently since the beginning of the year whereas they were always the cheapest by several pence.
What's changed for them not to bother to be competitive any more?
Perceived value? People buy it because they assume that the supermarket fuel will be cheaper, without actually verifying that it is. Asda and Tesco are 6p or 7p more and have been consistently since the beginning of the year whereas they were always the cheapest by several pence.
What's changed for them not to bother to be competitive any more?
DonkeyApple said:
ChocolateFrog said:
It's a sign of how warped perceptions now are that £1.50l sounds reasonable.
True but since 2014 we've had a devaluing £ against the USD and the market has been loaded up with more and more green costs so we've been in a rising market for petrol for nearly a decade. Pre Covid we were at around £1.40 so given an oil price back inline with recent pricing you'd expect pricing to be around £1.50-60 now anyway. MSN reporting June's petrol sales took a 4.3% hit as prices were at the peak.
Link
Had a knock on effect on other shopping habits too. At least fuel is heading in the right direction.
4.3% petrol reduction presumably meant people reducing travel but nobody seemed to notice it. I certainly didn't when stuck in the usual traffic jams.
Link
Had a knock on effect on other shopping habits too. At least fuel is heading in the right direction.
4.3% petrol reduction presumably meant people reducing travel but nobody seemed to notice it. I certainly didn't when stuck in the usual traffic jams.
CarCrazyDad said:
To be fair isn't around £1.50 now with inflation not actually much if any more expensive than the days of 99P ?
It's hard to correctly factor the impact of inflation as all major currencies have printed such vast amounts of new capital since 2009. What is easier to see is that the GBP has plummeted against the USD over that period from being almost $2 to £1 to today where we are facing potential parity. In addition to that significant rise in the cost of the underlying there has been the significant addition of eco costs throughout and then there are the magic additives that force you to buy from one brand over another for almost no logical reason. But the quickest solution to many pricing issues is often transparency. Forcing retailers to publish on their boards an average wholesale price from the refineries that day along with the price of Brent would work wonders in getting consumers to develop a more natural understanding of pricing, inhibit any element of the industry from mucking about and equally importantly, disarming the tinfoil vendors who prey on the mentally feeble and mentally bone idle.
RazerSauber said:
MSN reporting June's petrol sales took a 4.3% hit as prices were at the peak.
Link
Had a knock on effect on other shopping habits too. At least fuel is heading in the right direction.
4.3% petrol reduction presumably meant people reducing travel but nobody seemed to notice it. I certainly didn't when stuck in the usual traffic jams.
The only surprise with that is the reduction was only 4.3%Link
Had a knock on effect on other shopping habits too. At least fuel is heading in the right direction.
4.3% petrol reduction presumably meant people reducing travel but nobody seemed to notice it. I certainly didn't when stuck in the usual traffic jams.
Megaflow said:
The only surprise with that is the reduction was only 4.3%
It is interesting. It either shows that almost no one can limit their fuel consumption (which we know to be manifestly not the case) or that almost no one cared enough about the price to change any habits. There will also be a bit of impact stemming from just how equally efficient the bulk of modern cars are and how moderating one's driving style delivers very little return in contrast to previous decades.
Megaflow said:
RazerSauber said:
MSN reporting June's petrol sales took a 4.3% hit as prices were at the peak.
Link
Had a knock on effect on other shopping habits too. At least fuel is heading in the right direction.
4.3% petrol reduction presumably meant people reducing travel but nobody seemed to notice it. I certainly didn't when stuck in the usual traffic jams.
The only surprise with that is the reduction was only 4.3%Link
Had a knock on effect on other shopping habits too. At least fuel is heading in the right direction.
4.3% petrol reduction presumably meant people reducing travel but nobody seemed to notice it. I certainly didn't when stuck in the usual traffic jams.
Only a small and fortunate percentage can currently choose to drive less often.
The cheap end of motoring is being made increasingly and quite deliberately less enjoyable to increase the fodder for public transport.
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