Parking in a disabled space when a car park is full
Discussion
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Dont like rolls said:
The spaces are for -their- use only, at ALL times. I think that is fine and as it should be.
I am a badge user for another's transport.
Why would you refuse others access to the spaces when the likelihood of any disabled person requiring them is very low, eg 4 am?I am a badge user for another's transport.
Seems as equally selfish to me as those that would use them when the likelihood is very high.
Regardless of the practicalities any able bodied person choosing to occupy a disabled parking space gives the measure of where that particular individuals moral compass points. Regardless of whether you can get away with it or other peoples difficulties not being your problem or you're only going to be 5 minutes or there's plenty more disabled spaces still free a certain level of self respect and consideration toward others less fortunate really ought to prevent anybody even thinking of taking one.
Abusing concessions aimed at assisting those less fortunate just smacks of fkuck you self-serving entitlement to me. Tragically that mindset seems to be nothing out of the ordinary for much of the UKs population.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
blueg33 said:
Moral outrage - no. More like pissed off.
I have spent 10 years or so working with people with disability from profound physical issue to invisible mental ones. The difficulty caused to them by inconsiderate use of disabled parking is significant. Its better not to get into the habit.
As for the parking creep - there are some really good papers on justification, habit forming and increase of the habit.
How often do they visit the supermarket at 4 am?I have spent 10 years or so working with people with disability from profound physical issue to invisible mental ones. The difficulty caused to them by inconsiderate use of disabled parking is significant. Its better not to get into the habit.
As for the parking creep - there are some really good papers on justification, habit forming and increase of the habit.
otolith said:
popeyewhite said:
A truism. Quite often the parking itself is appalling as well. It's understandable in a way though - wider lines lead to less precise parking, not more. I think it should be viewed as a gift for the rest of us these people are given wide berths, rather like a complete beginner on a push bike has training wheels.
Personally, I think use of the parent and child parking (AKA the door-flinger's ghetto) should be mandatory for people carrying kids.mike-v2tmf said:
I know a disabled person that shops when most people are in bed because theres less people to navigate around during the night , less time spent waiting for the self service till etc
I cant believe hes the only one that does it
I, unfortunately, know a lot of disabled people these days. I can’t recall a single one who has said they do this. They often talk about early bedtimes though because they’re knackered.I cant believe hes the only one that does it
Of course some may do this but I can’t imagine it even remotely filling all the disabled bays.
mike-v2tmf said:
I know a disabled person that shops when most people are in bed because theres less people to navigate around during the night , less time spent waiting for the self service till etc
I cant believe hes the only one that does it
Because invariably the isles are obstructed by stock pallets and packaging waste.I cant believe hes the only one that does it
otolith said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Not missing the point at all - you said they buy an SUV "and negate the advantage". The reality is:
1) No one has ever bought an SUV because P&C parking spaces exist.
2) The majority of SUVs are little wider (if at all) than any other car so the 'extra' space is is still useful.
Your statement isn't based on reality.
1. We might have somewhat fewer of the hideous, profligate lumps on the road if we weren't facilitating them1) No one has ever bought an SUV because P&C parking spaces exist.
2) The majority of SUVs are little wider (if at all) than any other car so the 'extra' space is is still useful.
Your statement isn't based on reality.
2. Width of Touareg with rear doors open - 3708mm. Width of Golf with rear doors open - 3399mm. 3708mm-3399mm = 309mm - it's a foot wider with the doors open. But then, the cabin space in the rear is 2.8 inches wider, so totally worth it.
You think a Touareg is a typical sized SUV?
You think that 6 inches is the extra space afforded each side in a P&C parking space?
You do know that smallish 3 door cars often require more space to open their doors than SUVs?
Your argument is based purely on fantasy I’m afraid.
At the end of the day common sense should prevail.
Non disabled people should not use the disabled bays when it is likely that a disabled person would do so.
Disabled people, and those championing their case, should not object to non disabled people using the disabled bays when it is likely that a disabled person would not do so.
Follow that and everyone can live happily.
Non disabled people should not use the disabled bays when it is likely that a disabled person would do so.
Disabled people, and those championing their case, should not object to non disabled people using the disabled bays when it is likely that a disabled person would not do so.
Follow that and everyone can live happily.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
At the end of the day common sense should prevail.
Non disabled people should not use the disabled bays when it is likely that a disabled person would do so.
Disabled people, and those championing their case, should not object to non disabled people using the disabled bays when it is likely that a disabled person would not do so.
Follow that and everyone can live happily.
Common sense would say if you're not entitled to use something, don't use it, period.Non disabled people should not use the disabled bays when it is likely that a disabled person would do so.
Disabled people, and those championing their case, should not object to non disabled people using the disabled bays when it is likely that a disabled person would not do so.
Follow that and everyone can live happily.
When it is likely that a disabled person would not do so... when's that? At 4 in the morning? Surely we all agree that the car park's pretty deserted at that time, so the original question about using one when the park is full doesn't apply.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
At the end of the day common sense should prevail.
Non disabled people should not use the disabled bays when it is likely that a disabled person would do so.
Disabled people, and those championing their case, should not object to non disabled people using the disabled bays when it is likely that a disabled person would not do so.
Follow that and everyone can live happily.
I'm afraid we're way beyond common sense and into outrage and internet hysteria now. I'm sure if this were twitter death threats would have been issued. Non disabled people should not use the disabled bays when it is likely that a disabled person would do so.
Disabled people, and those championing their case, should not object to non disabled people using the disabled bays when it is likely that a disabled person would not do so.
Follow that and everyone can live happily.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Dont like rolls said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Why?
So that your empty preferred space can stay empty just in case?
With the edit: YesSo that your empty preferred space can stay empty just in case?
Why not park on the double yellows outside the door like your other mates in their A3's ?
I see no reason (if THEY decide) why the owners could not but a sign above the furthest away spaces showing an application time of say between 10pm and 6am but ONLY if there are multiple spaces. The same could apply to M&C spaces as well.
Many disabled badge holders live perfectly normal lives, this includes late night shopping.
Edited by Dont like rolls on Friday 20th December 16:03
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