RE: McLaren P1: Driven
Discussion
I was wondering where you put the unleaded in it. So glad I watched this superb walk around video to save any post Euromillions win embarrassing moments on the local forecourt.
Can you guess where you stick your nozzle..? I won't spoil it, just watch the vid. The attention to detail on this car is just breathtaking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2Jp2-C5HfY
Can you guess where you stick your nozzle..? I won't spoil it, just watch the vid. The attention to detail on this car is just breathtaking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2Jp2-C5HfY
Rich_W said:
(btw this is one of the current few rumours that seems plausible re lack of ring times. That the car cooks it's discs in 1 lap - even though ring isn't that heavy on brakes generally. But it's using them for 2 applications so the heat will be higher.
- The other being the car with e-mode can't sustain the full 900+ BHP for the 7 odd mins of fast lappery. So it defaults to the 730ish with the resultant relative loss of time
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Think you will find neither of those 2 rumours to be true....which is why they are exactly that ie rumours. At least the one about the brakes seems new, can't say i have come across that one till now!- The other being the car with e-mode can't sustain the full 900+ BHP for the 7 odd mins of fast lappery. So it defaults to the 730ish with the resultant relative loss of time
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isaldiri said:
Think you will find neither of those 2 rumours to be true....which is why they are exactly that ie rumours. At least the one about the brakes seems new, can't say i have come across that one till now!
Agreed - and I already addressed the second one a few pages back. Lots of people seem to be making claims based on what they want to believe, not what they have actually experienced or know to be true through direct sources of real information.
>8^)
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PhillipM said:
Rich_W said:
(btw this is one of the current few rumours that seems plausible re lack of ring times. That the car cooks it's discs in 1 lap - even though ring isn't that heavy on brakes generally. But it's using them for 2 applications so the heat will be higher.
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Well, I attest to the fact that steering brakes do add considerably to the heat load on the brakes, however I would have though McLaren would have accounted for that from the outset.)
I'm thinking momentary grabbing of the brakes to slow down rampant wheelspin, rather than 2-5 seconds of really hard, sustained braking.
(which if true, makes the rumours about brake heat problems b
ks)Rich_W said:
andyps said:
Of course, a really poor marketing department, it's not like they managed to sell out the complete production run of an £800k car is it? No one is talking about the P1 either so they failed there. And of course, no one would contemplate buying a car for which they didn't know the 'ring lap time, just like all the buyers of the P1 interviewed have said. whoops, did I say some people had bought it, even with such a poor marketing department?
No one bought this car because of the marketing. They bought it because they can afford it (remember most deposits were place when the car unseen) and McLaren have form in building great cars. It's why Koenisegg struggle to sell the numbers McLaren do. McLaren could probably sell 100 more P1's tomorrow. That's the clout they haveThe infamous "course we did... but we can't show you because it's dangerous to drive fast and we don't want others to do so" b
ks McLaren marketing and Evo magazine are pedalling is awful. You surely cannot think it's done anything other than make people MORE hungry for the times.Rich_W said:
andyps said:
Because all the journalists who have driven the P1 and reported about it have just repeated what the PR machine have told them to say 
You misunderstand. McLarens marketing strategy is ridiculous over the P1. The car sells itself. It shouldn't be too hard to build interest in it without the aforementioned video. And in a way do they need to work it so hard. As you say, they're all sold so the idea I guess is to say "we're McLaren we're a bit good" I think everyone here accepts that. But it doesn't come across as easily as it should.braddo said:
Off-road might be quite different but for the P1, wouldn't the heat involved in the LSD-like activity pale against the heat generation for proper braking?
Probably, the only issue with dragging the brake is more of the heat tends to transfer to the core of the discs/bells, rather than surface/interface heat that's dissipated faster, however, I still can't see why it'd be an issue, especially with the brakes on that thing.Rich_W said:
I have to say that is a very, very accurate statement on PH. People criticising McLaren products (justified or not) do tend to get raged at by a chunk of the forum traffic. Whether that's patriotism or xenophobia who knows. But I do find it tragic to try and sift through.
I think that's a little unfair. Try posting something like "Shame on you Ron for not offering RHD" or "McLaren are taking the piss making IRIS useable then chargeing £3500 for the upgrade on the 12c" Do you beleive you'll be raged at for that?Well, we'll see, as I firmly beleive in both those points.
BUT posting supposition and opinion as fact, you WILL get called out on it. If you then proceed to dig yourself deeper and resort to patronising and name calling? What responses do you expect to get?
Rich_W said:
And Adrian Newey with all his years of success probably wouldn't underestimate the cooling required for the 2014 car. But you know, sometimes... 
And I'm not even bashing with that statement. Every recall you see from the publicised "can't stop the car" to the small software updates to make the mpgs better, are because a manufacturer didn't account for something. Didn't McL have to recall the 12C because of sat nav problems and door not opening issues? They aren't immune from the odd mistake. Human and all that
Red Bull/Newey discovered the issues the FIRST time it ran on track. And he's (Newey) is notorious for pushing the envelope of what's possible.And I'm not even bashing with that statement. Every recall you see from the publicised "can't stop the car" to the small software updates to make the mpgs better, are because a manufacturer didn't account for something. Didn't McL have to recall the 12C because of sat nav problems and door not opening issues? They aren't immune from the odd mistake. Human and all that
Do I beleive Newey could underestimate the cooling requirements for the 2014 car, without an actual RUNNING engine?
HELL YES!
McLaren have been exhaustivly testing the P1 for years, do you really beleive it never came up?
Amazing technical masterpiece with a very poor sound. By comparison the Laferrari sounds so much better. I hate the sound of whooshing turbos and wastegates. Come on Mclaren its supposed to be a drivers car! Most will just end up driving round regent street in London wrapped in gold though so who cares.
fuchsiasteve said:
Amazing technical masterpiece with a very poor sound. By comparison the Laferrari sounds so much better. I hate the sound of whooshing turbos and wastegates. Come on Mclaren its supposed to be a drivers car! Most will just end up driving round regent street in London wrapped in gold though so who cares.
Eh, I find all the chuntering and whooshing more interesting than the blare of a modern V12, which has less than one tenth of the character of the little 3-litre 250 motor with its triple Weber carburettors...Rich_W said:
(btw this is one of the current few rumours that seems plausible re lack of ring times. That the car cooks it's discs in 1 lap - even though ring isn't that heavy on brakes generally. But it's using them for 2 applications so the heat will be higher.
- The other being the car with e-mode can't sustain the full 900+ BHP for the 7 odd mins of fast lappery. So it defaults to the 730ish with the resultant relative loss of time
Who knows what the truth is at this time)
Does it really need a big conspiracy to explain the lack of ring times? Some marketing bod decided they'll get more mileage out of being all mysterious about it rather than giving a concrete time. - The other being the car with e-mode can't sustain the full 900+ BHP for the 7 odd mins of fast lappery. So it defaults to the 730ish with the resultant relative loss of time
Who knows what the truth is at this time)
Peloton25 said:
Rich_W said:
(remember most deposits were place when the car unseen)
That's an inaccurate assumption. Few deposits had been taken prior to the Paris reveal. The worldwide road show they did with the car afterwards was what enabled them to secure most of them. >8^)
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isaldiri said:
Think you will find neither of those 2 rumours to be true....which is why they are exactly that ie rumours. At least the one about the brakes seems new, can't say i have come across that one till now!
In absence of facts. Rumours develop. Hence the marketing bods are probably Ok with the positive rumours, but not so much the negative onesBesides, I only said it was "Plausible" and I had no idea if it was true or not.
FeelingLucky said:
I think that's a little unfair. Try posting something like "Shame on you Ron for not offering RHD" or "McLaren are taking the piss making IRIS useable then chargeing £3500 for the upgrade on the 12c" Do you beleive you'll be raged at for that?
Well, we'll see, as I firmly beleive in both those points.
BUT posting supposition and opinion as fact, you WILL get called out on it. If you then proceed to dig yourself deeper and resort to patronising and name calling? What responses do you expect to get?
RHD is too expensive to re-engineer the car to for a smaller number of potential sales. i.e how many would be RHD? 10%? 20% IIRC Well, we'll see, as I firmly beleive in both those points.
BUT posting supposition and opinion as fact, you WILL get called out on it. If you then proceed to dig yourself deeper and resort to patronising and name calling? What responses do you expect to get?
£3500! Jesus!
p.s. It was other posters getting personal. Not me boss
FeelingLucky said:
McLaren have been exhaustivly testing the P1 for years, do you really beleive it never came up?
Of course. But to use 2 extreme examplesi) Mercedes A Class - Elk Test
ii) Audi TT - Extreme lift off oversteer
Both massive companies with thousands of people looking at everything prior to launch of a car. yet they got found out.
To use a further example. 2 different drivers drive the car in 2 very different ways. Driver A never has any problems. Driver B is a hamfisted idiot who rides the clutch, (Yes, DSG I know, it's an example) stabs the brakes constantly. jerky steering inputs. Wouldn't know a apex if it hit him in the face. The cars working OTT to try and sort it all out. Ultimately stressing components in different ways. Not to the point of failure, but increasing wear. I think we all know people that go through clutches faster than yourself
Back to P1. The yellow McLaren owned car has been seen on seemingly every motorway in the country. I wonder if that's long term testing being carried out?
hairykrishna said:
Does it really need a big conspiracy to explain the lack of ring times? Some marketing bod decided they'll get more mileage out of being all mysterious about it rather than giving a concrete time.
I suspect you may be right. Still seems IMO daft. Fanboys will believe regardless of proof. Cynics will say FFS just show us the vid. I so want to see an onboard of the lap. it'll hopefully be epic Would it be flat through Foxhole? And flat in a P1 would be silly fast!Rich_W said:
My mistake. But how many of those deposits were taken AFTER taking a test drive of a pre production prototype. Probably very few, if any.
You couldn't get a test drive unless you were already a depositor - don't you recall Apollo/Citylad bhing about his £240K?Most people who gave McLaren a deposit did so after seeing the car in person. Those many months of sending the demo cars around the world for semi-private viewings were quite helpful in filling the order book. Not sure they've yet reached the point where they could have done so with some phone calls but as the P1 continues to build its reputation with all who lay their hands on it I think they will reach a point where sales become much easier in the future.
>8^)
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