Parking in a disabled space when a car park is full

Parking in a disabled space when a car park is full

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Sticks.

8,867 posts

253 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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Stay in Bed Instead said:
Non disabled people should not use the disabled bays when it is likely that a disabled person would do so.
The problem with that is that, as it's been said, people assume disabled people don't go out after dark, and generally in their favour. I'm pretty sure if I went to the gym now no spaces would be available.

Quite a long thread but no mention of whether providers should be passive or proactive to ensure their accessibility obligations are met.

swisstoni

17,343 posts

281 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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stuartmmcfc said:
swisstoni said:
Happy days ...

Would have suited me. No room for the kids or Wife.
hehe

Double Fault

1,253 posts

265 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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Sticks. said:
Quite a long thread but no mention of whether providers should be passive or proactive to ensure their accessibility obligations are met.
I took this up with a Tesco Extra near me a while back as P&C spaces were being used by people who shouldn't have been using them. I challenged a few myself and unsurprisingly, given they were the sort of people to park in spaces they shouldn't be in, I got a fair amount of abuse ("I hope you get cancer in your balls", was one of the more memorable ripostes).

The Tesco manager told me that they didn't challenge people any more as a couple of their security people had been physically attacked by the sorts of people who park in spaces they shouldn't be in.

I expect the parents at my local school who park on the yellow zigzags also think it's OK to park in supermarket spaces they shouldn't be in. Probably also the types who don't bother picking up after their dogs if no one is watching.

As someone said before, it's a moral compass thing. As with many things, ask yourself, "what would happen if everybody did it?"

Taylor James

3,111 posts

63 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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Double Fault said:
Sticks. said:
As someone said before, it's a moral compass thing. As with many things, ask yourself, "what would happen if everybody did it?"
That's very profound. I shall be worrying about the implications of what you've said endlessly now. Right now I'm fixated on what would happen if everyone flushed their toilet at the same time.



Writhing

497 posts

111 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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Not sure if its been mentioned as I can’t be bothered to look back at all the pages of people arguing, but, can I get a ruling on using a disabled loo?

Are they toilets adapted for disabled usage or are they solely for the use of disabled people?

popeyewhite

20,221 posts

122 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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Double Fault said:
As someone said before, it's a moral compass thing.
Someone on the internet said that? On this car forum? Clearly the benchmark for philosophy in ethics.

Double Fault said:
As with many things, ask yourself, "what would happen if everybody did it?"
Well, because there wouldn't be enough spaces for everyone I imagine it would be chaos. Fighting (amongst the able-bodied. Is that discriminatory?), state of emergency declared etc etc

stuartmmcfc

8,672 posts

194 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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Writhing said:
Not sure if its been mentioned as I can’t be bothered to look back at all the pages of people arguing, but, can I get a ruling on using a disabled loo?

Are they toilets adapted for disabled usage or are they solely for the use of disabled people?
Are you desperate to go?
If not, just look back.

Writhing

497 posts

111 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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Sitting here with my legs crossed.

blueg33

36,527 posts

226 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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Writhing said:
Not sure if its been mentioned as I can’t be bothered to look back at all the pages of people arguing, but, can I get a ruling on using a disabled loo?

Are they toilets adapted for disabled usage or are they solely for the use of disabled people?
Many of them have a radar key specifically to prevent you from using them.

Writhing

497 posts

111 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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Ok, so my next question would be, is it ok for a disabled person to use a regular loo?

DoubleD

22,154 posts

110 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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Writhing said:
Ok, so my next question would be, is it ok for a disabled person to use a regular loo?
Yes

popeyewhite

20,221 posts

122 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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blueg33 said:
Writhing said:
Not sure if its been mentioned as I can’t be bothered to look back at all the pages of people arguing, but, can I get a ruling on using a disabled loo?

Are they toilets adapted for disabled usage or are they solely for the use of disabled people?
Many of them have a radar key specifically to prevent you from using them.
None of the ones I use do.

Christ that's done it now.

Jaguar steve

9,232 posts

212 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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Sticks. said:
As someone said before, it's a moral compass thing. As with many things, ask yourself, "what would happen if everybody did it?"
That's very profound. I shall be worrying about the implications of what you've said endlessly now. Right now I'm fixated on what would happen if everyone flushed their toilet at the same time.


As someone whose asked both neighbours in my row of cottages to flush their bogs to help me to work out which pipe goes where whilst hanging head first in an inspection pit trying to rod a partial blockage in a 200 year old drain I'm here to tell you you don't really want to know the answer to that... vomit

Europa1

10,923 posts

190 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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popeyewhite said:
None of the ones I use do.

Christ that's done it now.
Only if you're not disabled. wink

surveyor

17,919 posts

186 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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In a previous job I took great pleasure in parking in a disabled space.

The reasoning is there were 5 people, 5 spaces. None of us were disabled and we were not likely to be visited by anyone disabled... We would have sorted it if we needed to.

It was therefore fair dibs.

Who me ?

7,455 posts

214 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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These days, disabled folks are more active. Possibly due to the reactions of the ( almost feral parents )reaction to misuse of parent's spaces. Today, I found a builder pickup parked badly, in a disabled bay. The car next to him would have had problems accessing the rear of the car. So I had no problems asking the store folks to sort it out. Builder boy took it badly. He decided that the store one way system did not apply and then tried to bully his way out of the park, trying to force cars to get out of his way. Nice to see that all cars stood firm, and bully boy had to accept defeat and get in the queue.

Equilibrium25

653 posts

136 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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otolith said:
And a family hatchback would fit in a normal sized space.
I’m afraid this isn’t true. Both my wife’s Auris and my Discovery easily fit in a p&c space with sufficient room to get our child in and out. The Auris does not fit in a normal space with sufficient space to get her in and out. The Disco, which is not a small car, is easier to use in a normal space without the child than the Auris is with a child in.

A1VDY

3,575 posts

129 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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Much wider spaces, saves the Zafira sprog carrier with stoved in bodywork, mirrors hanging off, space saver fitted and rear wiper arm snapped off denting your Scenic with its doors..

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

236 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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A1VDY said:
Much wider spaces, saves the Zafira sprog carrier with stoved in bodywork, mirrors hanging off, space saver fitted and rear wiper arm snapped off denting your Scenic with its doors..
Sounds like a car for the PH shed thread. It would be celebrated there..

popeyewhite

20,221 posts

122 months

Friday 20th December 2019
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Europa1 said:
popeyewhite said:
None of the ones I use do.

Christ that's done it now.
Only if you're not disabled. wink
I'm not disabled in any way. At the moment. I'm sure a new sports injury lurks just around the corner however.