The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XVIII)
Discussion
anonymous said:
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totally wrong... The 928 GTS when designed was meant to be and it was the best GT car in the world. This entailed being super modern in feel, handling ergonomics etc by the standards of the early 1990s. These days it is hopeless compared to a boggo 640d, let alone something with more pedigree... The question is - so what? A 959 is just the same. It may not see which way a 992.2 GTS goes, but a 959 is a 959 and I can guarantee you, it would feel 10x more involving than anything offered by Porsche in the last 25yrs, CGT excepted...
NomduJour said:
The 928 was fifteen years old when the GTS arrived - whatever it was, it wasn’t cutting edge.
959 vs 996TT - latter is probably setting the Porsche involvement bar limbo-low.
The 928 GTS was 14yrs old when the GTS arrived indeed. Yet it was still consistently voted as the best GT in all tests from the period and perhaps due to being so ahead of its time when conceived, was still on the cutting edge compared to even the 850CSi or the SL600. 959 vs 996TT - latter is probably setting the Porsche involvement bar limbo-low.
Anyway, my point that most cars that in their prime were considered cutting edge, aloof, and perhaps too good would feel like a go-cart these days when compared to even the most engaging of the current crop still stands. Hence the 959 in my opinion is no imminent danger of feeling boring or pointless to anyone of us on this thread should a set of keys accidentally fall into ones lap.
NomduJour said:
997 Turbo will be faster, better, everywhere.
I (almost) remember reading in some iteration of the Flemke thread where he discussed his 959 (Sport?) and his then daily 993(?) Turbo as the more modern car being easily equal in everything bar the knowledge of what you were in or something along those lines.When the 959 was new I thought they were incredible and would defend them against the F40 to any playground car buff I could find, when I wasn't trying to explain the Ruf CTR...
NomduJour said:
ferrisbueller said:
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The 288 GTO is, after all, a pumped up homologation derivative of the 308
... and not the first pumped-up 308, “Millechiodi”:The 288 GTO is, after all, a pumped up homologation derivative of the 308
Rocket. said:
ferrisbueller said:
The 288 GTO is, after all, a pumped up homologation derivative of the 308. As such, that is exactly what it is - a steroidal 308. I don't think it's better proportioned or better looking than a 308..
and while we are at it the F40 is just a road version of the 288 GTO Evoluzione 
NomduJour said:
Hell yeah. Pumped out of reach by Kidston etc. now though.
I know Schumacher is very divisive, but I loved him and remember my joy when I found out he owned one. Also remember when they were languishing unloved, similar to the XJ220, for years to come... Until they didn't... ferrisbueller said:
I put it before the jury that new cars are massively capable but not better for it. Much of the capability is wasted and they are virtually all, with few exceptions, dull as f
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Objectively we have improvements beyond imagination of 25-30 years ago. Trouble is that convergence and competence means real choice has ebbed and certain aspects are being lost. It's not all terrible but it certainly isn't all great either. I'm a curmudgeonly old soul and refuse to drive anything less than about 16 years old if I can manage it, exceptions made for transporting stuff ("vanning it") / boring M-way schleps ("luxo-barging it") 
"There is much to be said for progress, not all of it entirely flattering..."
Different cars fulfill different roles.
I have a 2017 Touareg and a 2000 996.
The Touareg is not exactly fun to drive, but it's a much, much better car for covering big distances in than the Porsche. It's super quiet, super comfortable, and you can do 500 miles plus in it and get out feeling fresh. Although the 996 is probably decent for a car of its ilk, you'd never call it refined, and my back knows when I've done a couple of hundred miles in it.
On the other hand, a thrash in the Porsche is rewarding in a way the Touareg could never be.
I have a 2017 Touareg and a 2000 996.
The Touareg is not exactly fun to drive, but it's a much, much better car for covering big distances in than the Porsche. It's super quiet, super comfortable, and you can do 500 miles plus in it and get out feeling fresh. Although the 996 is probably decent for a car of its ilk, you'd never call it refined, and my back knows when I've done a couple of hundred miles in it.
On the other hand, a thrash in the Porsche is rewarding in a way the Touareg could never be.
L100NYY said:
Still got my blue 1:18 Bburago one in the loft
I think mine was inherited by my baby brother... and my yellow (get me!) F40 
Still, have an R/C 1/12th scale 956 and a 962 to keep me warm at night
No one admitting to buying the 106 XSi? Would love to see a thread on that here... Or I could just finish mine and read my own thread!
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