[Peloton25]

The "tub" flemke has described:





>8^)
ER

[flemke]

Steve Theodore said:

Flemke,

I just read about your unfortunate incident over on another forum (and took some time to defend you of course, since people are always too quick to make assumptions about things which they know nothing about). I really just want to let you know that I'm so glad you're OK and that the car is readily repairable. I felt literally sick to my stomach when I saw the pictures and knew immediately that it was indeed your own McLaren.

On the lighter side, I also immediately thought that you'd likely entertain a color change due to this 'opportunity', and I'm eager to see what the future holds for you. Best wishes always, and once again I'd like to commend you for your great attitude and want to wish you continued health and safety.

Your friend in Seattle, WA
Steve Theodore

PS. I'll dig around for the answer, but were your custom carbon ceramic brakes in play at the time of the braking event?

Hey, Steve.

Ah, yes. From your description, it sounds like there has been some expert opinion on what happened offered by people with neither expertise nor knowledge of what happened. That's now part of life. I don't blame people for piping up with misguided ideas; usually they do so out of ignorance. You can't blame someone for being born stupid - it's not his fault.
The brakes now on the car are iron discs. The next step was going to come this week, but instead will be slightly delayed.

Cheers.

[Peloton25]

Also an exploded drawing of the F1s main chassis and body components:



>8^)
ER

[flemke]

Peloton25 said:

The "tub" flemke has described:





>8^)
ER

Perfect illustration.
Thanks, P25 ("P25"...now doesn't that ring a bell in connection with the F1...?)

[F1GTRUeno]

Libertine said:

Streetrod said:

mr bridger said:

HereBeMonsters said:

mr bridger said:

Peloton25 said:

mr bridger said:

That car looks VERY familiar...!
Mr B

As it should....



I hope that guy who was trying to get in the door there didn't do much damage.

>8^)
ER

I had just about mastered how to get in & out of it by then!
Nice old picture, i have some more from Goodwood somewhere.
I did it 3 years with that car, 89, 90 & 91 from memory, several runs up the hill (sadly a serious accident to a competitor & a marshal in 91 i think?), the Goodwood ball on saturday night, good times!
Mr B

You had an F1 in 1989?

Yes apparently, it was a VERY early prototype, long before GM thought about getting involved in it!
Err, no, sorry, my mistake with the years. I had my first one (the black one in the earlier pics on this thread, ch no. 007) from 1997 - 2001.
Mr B

Hang on, Hang on!!!!!!, are you saying you have had more than one?????

You can go off some people some time.....

Not sure if he had more than 2, but here's the other one

I think the LM's styling adds an edge that the standard cars lacked.

Edited by Libertine on Thursday 5th August 18:49

Bear in mind that's a GTR not an LM, just in case your post implied as such.

Mr. B - who was the first owner of 007if you know?

[fatboy69]

thank you mr bridger. my other half owes me a curry now as i knew i was correct in my assumption.

just out of interest - the Enzo or the F1? if you had a choice of one of them to be yours for all time which one would you go for?

i know which one i would choose. its orange.........

[shirt]

silly qn, but do mclaren/bmw have the parts capacity to construct a 'new' f1?

also - do any pics exist of prince jefri's 2+2 f1 alluded to in the evo article?

[mr bridger]

F1GTRUeno said:

Libertine said:

Streetrod said:

mr bridger said:

HereBeMonsters said:

mr bridger said:

Peloton25 said:

mr bridger said:

That car looks VERY familiar...!
Mr B

As it should....



I hope that guy who was trying to get in the door there didn't do much damage.

>8^)
ER

I had just about mastered how to get in & out of it by then!
Nice old picture, i have some more from Goodwood somewhere.
I did it 3 years with that car, 89, 90 & 91 from memory, several runs up the hill (sadly a serious accident to a competitor & a marshal in 91 i think?), the Goodwood ball on saturday night, good times!
Mr B

You had an F1 in 1989?

Yes apparently, it was a VERY early prototype, long before GM thought about getting involved in it!
Err, no, sorry, my mistake with the years. I had my first one (the black one in the earlier pics on this thread, ch no. 007) from 1997 - 2001.
Mr B

Hang on, Hang on!!!!!!, are you saying you have had more than one?????

You can go off some people some time.....

Not sure if he had more than 2, but here's the other one

I think the LM's styling adds an edge that the standard cars lacked.

Edited by Libertine on Thursday 5th August 18:49

Bear in mind that's a GTR not an LM, just in case your post implied as such.

Mr. B - who was the first owner of 007if you know?

The car was Swiss based & owned by a member of the saudi royal family i believe, who never drove it! The 300km it had on the clock were put there by Mac personnel. Go figure!
Mr B

[mr bridger]

fatboy69 said:

thank you mr bridger. my other half owes me a curry now as i knew i was correct in my assumption.

just out of interest - the Enzo or the F1? if you had a choice of one of them to be yours for all time which one would you go for?

i know which one i would choose. its orange.........

Enjoy the meal!
Yes, mine would be orange too!
Mr B

[flemke]

shirt said:

silly qn, but do mclaren/bmw have the parts capacity to construct a 'new' f1?

also - do any pics exist of prince jefri's 2+2 f1 alluded to in the evo article?

An interesting question, as theoretically a "Yes" would mean that they could make one or more additional cars, the way that, say, a certain Italian car-maker is said to have done long after a low-volume production run had ceased.

They've told me in the past that, if necessary, they could repair/replace anything that needed doing, including the engine.
The one thing that they would not be able to do (ethically as well as practically) is to make a "new" car. As I said above, the tub is irreducibly "the car"; if your tub were beyond repair, I think that that would be it for your car. Aside from that, if it's broke, they can fix it.

[fatboy69]

i intend to. out tomorrow night at her expense although not sure she's too happy about it!

anyway. i prefer the F1 over the Enzo because it looks more purposeful & i prefer the engine noise.

also adore F40's. i once spun one in the dry, in a straight line!! wasnt quite prepared for the raw power of that engine...

truly an awesome car.

[shirt]

flemke said:

shirt said:

silly qn, but do mclaren/bmw have the parts capacity to construct a 'new' f1?

also - do any pics exist of prince jefri's 2+2 f1 alluded to in the evo article?

An interesting question, as theoretically a "Yes" would mean that they could make one or more additional cars, the way that, say, a certain Italian car-maker is said to have done long after a low-volume production run had ceased.

They've told me in the past that, if necessary, they could repair/replace anything that needed doing, including the engine.
The one thing that they would not be able to do (ethically as well as practically) is to make a "new" car. As I said above, the tub is irreducibly "the car"; if your tub were beyond repair, I think that that would be it for your car. Aside from that, if it's broke, they can fix it.

are any of the original production run written off beyond repair?

I was thinking more along the lines of a 'continuation' car. I believe it is technically possible given that the factory can manufacture parts, but it'd require a departure from the company's usual way of thinking and a not inconsiderable bag of cash.

[fatboy69]

flemke - would you be referring to a car of which 272 were offically built whilst over 300 were alledgedly registered?

[Stuart]

A couple were written off, maybe three? A couple by McLaren, and then that software guy who killed himself and his passengers in the 90s IIRC?

[Snoggledog]

flemke said:

shirt said:

silly qn, but do mclaren/bmw have the parts capacity to construct a 'new' f1?

also - do any pics exist of prince jefri's 2+2 f1 alluded to in the evo article?

An interesting question, as theoretically a "Yes" would mean that they could make one or more additional cars, the way that, say, a certain Italian car-maker is said to have done long after a low-volume production run had ceased.

They've told me in the past that, if necessary, they could repair/replace anything that needed doing, including the engine.
The one thing that they would not be able to do (ethically as well as practically) is to make a "new" car. As I said above, the tub is irreducibly "the car"; if your tub were beyond repair, I think that that would be it for your car. Aside from that, if it's broke, they can fix it.

So in theory then you could take the F1 to the local BMW dealership for an oil change?

[Mazda Baiter]

Stuart said:

n that software guy

[Libertine]

F1GTRUeno said:

Bear in mind that's a GTR not an LM, just in case your post implied as such.

Mr. B - who was the first owner of 007if you know?

Oooops, yeah, that's what I meant to say....




I'm turning this into "Mr B - Is this your McLaren". Not sure if Flemke would mind since the hoards of Q's that have been fired his way of late!

[Peloton25]

I believe we've lost a total of 6 F1s. As a bit of confirmation on my guess, in the recent EVO magazine #145 which devoted 50+ pages to the McLaren F1 they mention that of the 106 McLaren F1s that were built, 100 survive now. Here's my list of the 6 which I believe are no longer with us:

XP1 was the first of the prototypes and was crashed in Namibia while undergoing hot weather testing. The car was still intact when it stopped rolling, but ended up on its roof and fluids from the engine ignited after coming in contact with the hot exhaust. The car caught fire and since they were in the middle of the desert there was no way to save it.

XP2 was the second prototype and the car McLaren used for the F1s barrier crash test at MIRA. The damage sustained in the test was so insignificant that it could have been driven away, however XP2 was a rather crude prototype and I was told by Gordon Murray that it had eventually been crushed.

005 (presumed) was crashed by a mechanic in Brunei. The car was apparently damaged beyond repair, but was shipped back to Woking where it was disassembled and (as the story goes) the salvagable parts were then returned to Brunei to be used as spares for the other F1s in their collection.

010 (presumed) was crashed by BMW CEO Bernd Pischetstrieder on a Bavarian country road with his wife and a friend in the car. After rolling twice he and his passengers were not seriously injured, but as a result but the car was a complete loss. The engine from this car is occasionally displayed inside BMW's Mobile Tradition Museum in Germany.

017 crashed into a tree while being driven irresponsibly during a heavy rainstorm in the UK and instantly burst into flames. The driver and his two occupants did not survive the accident. I've seen news reel footage of the car after the fire had been extinguished and there was very little left that could allow you to identify it as an F1.

033 crashed rear end first into the center armco on the Autobahn while travelling approximately 170 mph. There is a photo in 'Driving Ambition' that shows the damage to the car and the fact that the exhaust silencer which had been designed to absorb impact forces had indeed done its job. This car was apparently not totalled, but the owner chose not to have it repaired and simply wanted McLaren to build him a new car. If I have followed the story correctly, it is my understanding that his replacement car ended up being chassis 040. Anyway, I'm not certain if 033 was ever repaired to be sold to someone else. All I know is that it has not surfaced anywhere else in all the the time I have been following these cars.

That's my list of 6 - always open to corrections if anyone has any better info to share.

>8^)
ER

[Silent1]

Stuart said:

zakelwe said:

F1 or GT1 from the same era?

I think that one of the strengths of the F1 is how good it still looks today compared to its contemporaries. That GT1 looks like a proper Sow's ear compared to the simple elegance of the McLaren IMHO.

How very dare you, go and sit in the corner and think about what you've just said.

[flemke]

fatboy69 said:

flemke - would you be referring to a car of which 272 were offically built whilst over 300 were alledgedly registered?

I was thinking of the 288 and F40, although it may well have happened with other, earlier models.