So I did buy some LingLong Ditchfinders
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HustleRussell said:
Herbs said:
The most obvious example was an imported twin turbo Supra with plenty of tread, however, when pulling out of a junction, I could on demand travel with the back end out at an angle of 45 degrees with no more than 2/3rds throttle all very controllable and great fun until the car spat me 180 degrees going under the speed limit in a 40mph with a camber change on a slight left hand bend. Ended up in the central reservation and just misisng the barrier facing oncoming traffic. Scared the s
t out of me.
t out of me. Herbs said:
I think i'm old enough to know the difference between a car letting go and driver error.
I like that.Self professed drift king comes a cropper and accidently spins 180 because of the weather conditions, available power, road camber, tyres. Driver error not a factor you understand- 'I was below the speed limit you see'. It was the 'car letting go'.
I will have to remember that one
Reminds me of my first crash.
BMW pulls out of a side turning without looking causing learner driver under instruction to anchor up, hard. I run out of room and go into the back of it.
Explaining the incident to my Dad and his mate later that day, I attributed the accident to the driving instruction car as it had 'much better brakes'.
The arrogance of youth
BMW pulls out of a side turning without looking causing learner driver under instruction to anchor up, hard. I run out of room and go into the back of it.
Explaining the incident to my Dad and his mate later that day, I attributed the accident to the driving instruction car as it had 'much better brakes'.
The arrogance of youth
Herbs said:
I see where you are coming from but your point doesn't stack up. Everything else being equal a top performing tyre will be better than a cheap ultra budget tyre (the mid ground is a good compromise and I think this is where the majority of people are at but this isn't being debated here), a 10mph speed differential the other direction will only exacerbate the difference.
The thing is, everything isn't equal. I'm going to make an educated guess and say that PHers push their cars (and therefore tyres) harder and closer to the limits. That may be why so many on this thread have said that "X brand of tyre felt dangerous". It may well have done if you were driving at 60mph around greasy country roads. But there is no way "X brand of tyre" is inherently dangerous. It will behave in a certain way. If you exceed its limits you will create a situation that is dangerous. But that's "your" fault, not the tyres. I don't mean "you" obv but YKWIM.Herbs said:
Also, after seeing how the majority of Joe Public drive on A roads and motorways then they probably need all the help they can get!
My wife and 18 year old daughter must be better than the majority of the Public and, dare i say it, even yourself as they've never been anywhere near spinning a car on public roads 
Countdown said:
Herbs said:
I see where you are coming from but your point doesn't stack up. Everything else being equal a top performing tyre will be better than a cheap ultra budget tyre (the mid ground is a good compromise and I think this is where the majority of people are at but this isn't being debated here), a 10mph speed differential the other direction will only exacerbate the difference.
The thing is, everything isn't equal. I'm going to make an educated guess and say that PHers push their cars (and therefore tyres) harder and closer to the limits. That may be why so many on this thread have said that "X brand of tyre felt dangerous". It may well have done if you were driving at 60mph around greasy country roads. But there is no way "X brand of tyre" is inherently dangerous. It will behave in a certain way. If you exceed its limits you will create a situation that is dangerous. But that's "your" fault, not the tyres. I don't mean "you" obv but YKWIM.Herbs said:
Also, after seeing how the majority of Joe Public drive on A roads and motorways then they probably need all the help they can get!
My wife and 18 year old daughter must be better than the majority of the Public and, dare i say it, even yourself as they've never been anywhere near spinning a car on public roads Fact is one day for a lot of us, something beyond our control will happen and we'll end up having to rely on the rubber fitted to the car, which could potentially be the difference between a crash and not.
For the sake of saving a couple of hundred quid, not a chance i fancy taking, and IMO says a fair bit about those that do
M-SportMatt said:
All very arrogant thinking you're in control of everything that happens on the road and your skills can 'save' you.
Now, I've not actually said anything remotely like that, have I?M-SportMatt said:
Fact is one day for a lot of us, something beyond our control will happen and we'll end up having to rely on the rubber fitted to the car, which could potentially be the difference between a crash and not.
Well I agree except that I'd say "some" of us" rather than "a lot of us". Tyre evangelists keep referring to "how they almost lost it on Brand X". They almost lost it because they exceeded the limits. Most non-PHers dont push their cars to the limits. In hundreds of years of cumulative driving experience only one member of my extended family has "lost it" and even he wouldn't try to blame the tyres on that particular occasion.So I will take reasonable precautions. The key word here is "reasonable". I won't insist on the most expensive tyre, or the one that has the highest test marks to be fitted to all 4 of our cars. Based on my own experiences I will choose a brand of tyre that I think is needed for the type of driving we do.
M-SportMatt said:
For the sake of saving a couple of hundred quid, not a chance i fancy taking, and IMO says a fair bit about those that do
You could achieve much the same outcome by driving a few mph slower. But that's not the PH way.....Countdown said:
M-SportMatt said:
All very arrogant thinking you're in control of everything that happens on the road and your skills can 'save' you.
Now, I've not actually said anything remotely like that, have I?M-SportMatt said:
Fact is one day for a lot of us, something beyond our control will happen and we'll end up having to rely on the rubber fitted to the car, which could potentially be the difference between a crash and not.
Well I agree except that I'd say "some" of us" rather than "a lot of us". Tyre evangelists keep referring to "how they almost lost it on Brand X". They almost lost it because they exceeded the limits. Most non-PHers dont push their cars to the limits. In hundreds of years of cumulative driving experience only one member of my extended family has "lost it" and even he wouldn't try to blame the tyres on that particular occasion.So I will take reasonable precautions. The key word here is "reasonable". I won't insist on the most expensive tyre, or the one that has the highest test marks to be fitted to all 4 of our cars. Based on my own experiences I will choose a brand of tyre that I think is needed for the type of driving we do.
M-SportMatt said:
For the sake of saving a couple of hundred quid, not a chance i fancy taking, and IMO says a fair bit about those that do
You could achieve much the same outcome by driving a few mph slower. But that's not the PH way.....ks as we all know the only reason people buy budget is to save money, they perform poorly (especially in the wet) and 99% of drivers who do buy them don't suddenly start driving 20% slower in an a feeble attempt to make up the difference.And comments like 'tyre evangelist's' make you look stupid BTW when all of the evidence points to them being correct.
M-SportMatt said:
For the sake of saving a couple of hundred quid, not a chance i fancy taking, and IMO says a fair bit about those that do
I've never bought into this argument of a few hundred quid to potentially save your (or your families) life.Roughly 150,000 people die of cancer in the UK compared to 3,000 on the road, but virtually no one pays for a full medical every year to check they have no early signs of cancer (let alone other fatal diseases). Surely if you had £200 this would be a much better way of spending it to "increase your chances"
However blood tests, ecg's and the odd finger up your bum doesn't make you feel half as good and secure like a nice set of low profile Pirelli P Zero's pimping your ride.
delboy735 said:
I'd be willing to put money on more cars on "known brand" tyres end up in ditches than "ditchfinders" because of all the idiots who think the branded tyre is so much better. They then think they are invincible because they can " stop very quickly" in the rain, and go round corners so much quicker.........and end up running out of talent.
Yeah I'd better go and fit some st tyres, I'll drive so much safer then.
jon- said:
Never heard ov The Sun tyres though fort it was a newspaper lol
Countdown said:
M-SportMatt said:
All very arrogant thinking you're in control of everything that happens on the road and your skills can 'save' you.
Now, I've not actually said anything remotely like that, have I?M-SportMatt said:
Fact is one day for a lot of us, something beyond our control will happen and we'll end up having to rely on the rubber fitted to the car, which could potentially be the difference between a crash and not.
So I will take reasonable precautions. The key word here is "reasonable". I won't insist on the most expensive tyre, or the one that has the highest test marks to be fitted to all 4 of our cars. Based on my own experiences I will choose a brand of tyre that I think is needed for the type of driving we do.At no point has everyone said the most expensive is the best. i think we all agree there is a big grey area between mid and high end, with a lot not worth the extra money, however, summing that up high end tyres are no better than the cheapest budget tyres going is just plain idiocy
WestyCarl said:
I've never bought into this argument of a few hundred quid to potentially save your (or your families) life.
Roughly 150,000 people die of cancer in the UK compared to 3,000 on the road, but virtually no one pays for a full medical every year to check they have no early signs of cancer (let alone other fatal diseases). Surely if you had £200 this would be a much better way of spending it to "increase your chances"
However blood tests, ecg's and the odd finger up your bum doesn't make you feel half as good and secure like a nice set of low profile Pirelli P Zero's pimping your ride.
I've got a top bRoughly 150,000 people die of cancer in the UK compared to 3,000 on the road, but virtually no one pays for a full medical every year to check they have no early signs of cancer (let alone other fatal diseases). Surely if you had £200 this would be a much better way of spending it to "increase your chances"
However blood tests, ecg's and the odd finger up your bum doesn't make you feel half as good and secure like a nice set of low profile Pirelli P Zero's pimping your ride.
ks health care policy and yes I have a decent medical every year.Lots of people do
Countdown said:
I will choose a brand of tyre that I think is needed for the type of driving we do.
as said pretty arrogant...you can control whats going to happen presumably so you can make that decisionCountdown said:
You could achieve much the same outcome by driving a few mph slower. But that's not the PH way.....
M-SportMatt said:
I've got a top bks health care policy and yes I have a decent medical every year.
Lots of people do
I doubt it, only about 25% of people have taken up the free NHS check let alone a full health screening.ks health care policy and yes I have a decent medical every year.Lots of people do
Another example is to spend the £200 on winters, even mid range ones will perform better than most summer tires below 6 deg. But again, not as sexy as those P Zero's.
Edited by WestyCarl on Friday 24th March 16:27
SWoll said:
Spend a few quid more and buy a set of decent mid-range tyres that offer a wider envelope should the worst happen and your view of suitability be proven wrong .
Why mid-range? That sounds like a compromise - why not the aboslute bestest tyres out there just in case the worst happens?SWoll said:
The rest of it is all bks as we all know the only reason people buy budget is to save money, they perform poorly (especially in the wet) and 99% of drivers who do buy them don't suddenly start driving 20% slower in an a feeble attempt to make up the difference.
And comments like 'tyre evangelist's' make you look stupid BTW when all of the evidence points to them being correct.
If you say so.ks as we all know the only reason people buy budget is to save money, they perform poorly (especially in the wet) and 99% of drivers who do buy them don't suddenly start driving 20% slower in an a feeble attempt to make up the difference.And comments like 'tyre evangelist's' make you look stupid BTW when all of the evidence points to them being correct.
M-SportMatt said:
Countdown said:
I will choose a brand of tyre that I think is needed for the type of driving we do.
as said pretty arrogant...you can control whats going to happen presumably so you can make that decisionM-SportMatt said:
Countdown said:
You could achieve much the same outcome by driving a few mph slower. But that's not the PH way.....
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