The Best ///M/Barge/General Rant/Look at this/O/T(Vol XVIII)
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bungle said:
Really quite fancy one of these, as an antonym to the modern bloated, over-powered, can't-really-enjoy-on-our-roads, too much tech, heavy, etc, stuff on our roads these days. Would probably be good fun 
I see your point but would rather spend the same amount on a refurbed Clio 182, mx-5 etc if I wanted light, basic fun at sane speeds. bungle said:
Really quite fancy one of these, as an antonym to the modern bloated, over-powered, can't-really-enjoy-on-our-roads, too much tech, heavy, etc, stuff on our roads these days. Would probably be good fun
I bet that's closer to the original Golf GTI in weight, size and performance than a new Golf GTI is to the original. ETA: If the chassis is sorted, I reckon that'd be a hoot to hoon about the country lanes.
bungle said:
Really quite fancy one of these, as an antonym to the modern bloated, over-powered, can't-really-enjoy-on-our-roads, too much tech, heavy, etc, stuff on our roads these days. Would probably be good fun
Isn't it an example of "the modern bloated, over-powered, can't-really-enjoy-on-our-roads, too much tech, heavy, etc, stuff on our roads these days"?ferrisbueller said:
bungle said:
Really quite fancy one of these, as an antonym to the modern bloated, over-powered, can't-really-enjoy-on-our-roads, too much tech, heavy, etc, stuff on our roads these days. Would probably be good fun
Isn't it an example of "the modern bloated, over-powered, can't-really-enjoy-on-our-roads, too much tech, heavy, etc, stuff on our roads these days"?ferrisbueller said:
Preferable in almost every way.
Quicker, lighter, rawer and 11 grand cheaper.
Quicker, lighter, rawer and 11 grand cheaper.
I like the idea of the Up! GTi but I expect the reality to be underwhelming (if still eminently usable). I guess it depends on ones expectations and I'll be first to admit that mine are not entirely realistic! A Suzuki Swift Sport is probably closer to what I'd look for in a peppy, fun super mini (revvy nasp engine, snickety spanish 'box and direct steering all wrapped up with some hard-to-quantify-but-driver-pleasing "attitude" to the way it goes over bumps and around the curves, if not a surfeit of stomp). Maybe a headache on the m-way but then worth taking the greener route for. Old Twingo 133 or clio 182. 197 / 200 cup might be a good middle ground if heavier.
ferrisbueller said:
Isn't it an example of "the modern bloated, over-powered, can't-really-enjoy-on-our-roads, too much tech, heavy, etc, stuff on our roads these days"?
You think?? So you are saying it is bloated, over-powered, etc? Really? Compared to most cars being sold today, I don't think it is, but hey, we'll beg to differ 
Yeah, but that's 18 or so years old, and not many about. I'm talking about new cars you can buy today. Most are bloated, heavy, too powerful for our roads. I just don't think manufacturers make many cars like the Up! GTI anymore. Whether that's a good thing or bad thing is all a matter of opinion.
Moose's post on the GT3 story on the front page does make you wonder about how amazing this Up GTI could be, though, if it was a case of VW wanting to make the best engaging hatch they wanted to, and using modern tech to make that happen, rather than start with an over-sanitised car and try to add back some engagement.
A compact, sub-1-ton 115hp Up, but if it was:
- 115hp 1.3 NA with 7500rpm redline
- brakes with decent feel and needing more than a toe for heavy retardation
- hydraulic power steering
- no clutch delay valve nonsense
- a DBW throttle that replicates a cable throttle, rather than it being programmed to smooth out s
t driving.
One could think of loads of other salivating examples of 'simple' engaging cars from the likes of BMW, Porsche, Ferrari/Alfa/Maserati, Jaguar, Peugeot, Renault, Honda, Toyota, Mazda...
A compact, sub-1-ton 115hp Up, but if it was:
- 115hp 1.3 NA with 7500rpm redline
- brakes with decent feel and needing more than a toe for heavy retardation
- hydraulic power steering
- no clutch delay valve nonsense
- a DBW throttle that replicates a cable throttle, rather than it being programmed to smooth out s
t driving.One could think of loads of other salivating examples of 'simple' engaging cars from the likes of BMW, Porsche, Ferrari/Alfa/Maserati, Jaguar, Peugeot, Renault, Honda, Toyota, Mazda...
bungle said:
Yeah, but that's 18 or so years old, and not many about. I'm talking about new cars you can buy today. Most are bloated, heavy, too powerful for our roads. I just don't think manufacturers make many cars like the Up! GTI anymore. Whether that's a good thing or bad thing is all a matter of opinion.
You hadn't stipulated the new part. I've never been one for setting fire to £20 notes so I wouldn't buy a new car anyway so it's a moot point for me.Given the £13k + required to acquire said Up! I cannot imagine a scenario where it makes the list of places I'd put that cash.
Today I am feeling a bit 'AMG'.......
1. ML55 £10,250.00
Don't particularly want it but rare to find in this condition and makes a change from the normal RR et al:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
2. SLK55 - V8 hot rod £17,500.00
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
3. Not an AMG but I love the vastness of these..... S500L £4,795.00
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
1. ML55 £10,250.00
Don't particularly want it but rare to find in this condition and makes a change from the normal RR et al:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
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2. SLK55 - V8 hot rod £17,500.00
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
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3. Not an AMG but I love the vastness of these..... S500L £4,795.00
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
Quite a nice ol' thing for £1495 (181k miles wouldn't bother me on one of these)
Audi 80 Sport
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1994-Audi-80-2-0-Sport-...
Audi 80 Sport
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1994-Audi-80-2-0-Sport-...
L100NYY said:
Lovely looking thing, I had one as my wedding car, a nice change from the default Rolls/Bentley. Shame the marriage didn’t last as long as the car has!😂Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff