Bad crash at my local boy racer meet
Discussion
slopes said:
It seems matey boy driving the GT86 works for the local Toyota dealers in St Albans and i suspect he has some explaining to do to his dealer principal for this one.
I’m not sure we should be naming/shaming individuals and their workplace on PH. Yes this is a terrible thing to happen but plastering pics of the drivers and the name and location of their workplace is way OTT.
The police and justice system will deal with them & Id wager the judge might come down very harshly to send a message.
ferrisbueller said:
slopes said:
It seems matey boy driving the GT86 works for the local Toyota dealers in St Albans and i suspect he has some explaining to do to his dealer principal for this one.
The fire service did a neat job developing a convertible for them.Edited by loskie on Sunday 21st July 18:06
RSTurboPaul said:
AnthT said:
Also, sort out the MOT rules to ban aftermarket exhausts and s
t like that
How would that work with older cars and manufacturers that have discontinued production of OEM parts?t like thatSOL111 said:
Munter said:
SOL111 said:
Trouble is, how many policemen/women would it take to school these scrotes all night long.
That's taxpayer money used on lowlife idiots with zero life, hence hanging out in a carpark. It's already been mentioned that they wait for the police to go, before the speeding and reckless driving kicks off again so what can police actually do except babysit fktards all night long whilst real crime is going on elsewhere.
I'm not the police but am 100% sure they have more important things to attend to.
As if our taxes aren't stretched enough, we have to put up with this st.
I'll say it again. Have the same high court injunction we have in the west midlands. Then police can turn up and fine them for attending. Don't need to wait for the bad driving. Just being at a cruise here is illegal. That's taxpayer money used on lowlife idiots with zero life, hence hanging out in a carpark. It's already been mentioned that they wait for the police to go, before the speeding and reckless driving kicks off again so what can police actually do except babysit f
ktards all night long whilst real crime is going on elsewhere.I'm not the police but am 100% sure they have more important things to attend to.
As if our taxes aren't stretched enough, we have to put up with this s
t.Much cheaper, and the consequences are large, so people don't really do it. Or they do it once, get a warning and stop.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2019/02/22/bla...
"Forty-seven respondents have been subject to committal proceedings for breaching the injunction since 2015, including 32 within the last 12 months. One defendant received an immediate custodial sentence of three months, 14 were given suspended sentences of up to six months while others received fines of up to £2,000 and were ordered to pay costs. A further 12 respondents have given undertakings to the court.
In addition, over 100 warning letters have been issued, and in all but one instance no future offending behaviour has been reported"
Edited by Munter on Sunday 21st July 07:13
Sounds like a workable solution but wonder why it's not applicable across the UK? Is it possibly because meeting with a few mates in a car park is difficult to police in the first place i.e. at what point does a meet-up for social purposes turn into an illegal boy/girl racer meet?
It’s still going on
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-new...
J4CKO said:
Always amazes me how some of the folk at these meets, who obviously spend a lot of time and money on their cars, then proceed to really abuse them, can sort of understand it with the ratty old BMW compacts and stuff but you see some really tidy stuff getting mercilessly ragged, I often wonder whether they get up the following morning like when you have had a proper session wondering what they did and remember killing £300 worth of tyres.
Most of the folk who build these types of cars build them with their actual enjoyment in mind, rather than just to look at them. Munter said:
I'll say it again. Have the same high court injunction we have in the west midlands. Then police can turn up and fine them for attending. Don't need to wait for the bad driving. Just being at a cruise here is illegal.
Much cheaper, and the consequences are large, so people don't really do it. Or they do it once, get a warning and stop.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2019/02/22/bla...
"Forty-seven respondents have been subject to committal proceedings for breaching the injunction since 2015, including 32 within the last 12 months. One defendant received an immediate custodial sentence of three months, 14 were given suspended sentences of up to six months while others received fines of up to £2,000 and were ordered to pay costs. A further 12 respondents have given undertakings to the court.
In addition, over 100 warning letters have been issued, and in all but one instance no future offending behaviour has been reported"
How do the Police determine which people are there for the meet and who just happened to be passing through?Much cheaper, and the consequences are large, so people don't really do it. Or they do it once, get a warning and stop.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2019/02/22/bla...
"Forty-seven respondents have been subject to committal proceedings for breaching the injunction since 2015, including 32 within the last 12 months. One defendant received an immediate custodial sentence of three months, 14 were given suspended sentences of up to six months while others received fines of up to £2,000 and were ordered to pay costs. A further 12 respondents have given undertakings to the court.
In addition, over 100 warning letters have been issued, and in all but one instance no future offending behaviour has been reported"
Edited by Munter on Sunday 21st July 07:13
Prime example is the Reading meet, it's in a retail park that opens late. Someone like me who has a 'fast' car but doesn't attend meets might happen to stop off to pick up takeaway or visit a store whilst the meet is underway. I wouldn't be happy to be lumped in with them just because of the car I drive.
How do Police ensure the injunction isn't abused and innocents are fined or reported?
ashleyman said:
How do the Police determine which people are there for the meet and who just happened to be passing through?
Prime example is the Reading meet, it's in a retail park that opens late. Someone like me who has a 'fast' car but doesn't attend meets might happen to stop off to pick up takeaway or visit a store whilst the meet is underway. I wouldn't be happy to be lumped in with them just because of the car I drive.
How do Police ensure the injunction isn't abused and innocents are fined or reported?
Because you are unlikely to he in the thick of it, and are walking towards your car with a bag full of Primark goodness or Rajput curry. Prime example is the Reading meet, it's in a retail park that opens late. Someone like me who has a 'fast' car but doesn't attend meets might happen to stop off to pick up takeaway or visit a store whilst the meet is underway. I wouldn't be happy to be lumped in with them just because of the car I drive.
How do Police ensure the injunction isn't abused and innocents are fined or reported?
Plod aren't totally stupid.
Tyre Smoke said:
ashleyman said:
How do the Police determine which people are there for the meet and who just happened to be passing through?
Prime example is the Reading meet, it's in a retail park that opens late. Someone like me who has a 'fast' car but doesn't attend meets might happen to stop off to pick up takeaway or visit a store whilst the meet is underway. I wouldn't be happy to be lumped in with them just because of the car I drive.
How do Police ensure the injunction isn't abused and innocents are fined or reported?
Because you are unlikely to he in the thick of it, and are walking towards your car with a bag full of Primark goodness or Rajput curry. Prime example is the Reading meet, it's in a retail park that opens late. Someone like me who has a 'fast' car but doesn't attend meets might happen to stop off to pick up takeaway or visit a store whilst the meet is underway. I wouldn't be happy to be lumped in with them just because of the car I drive.
How do Police ensure the injunction isn't abused and innocents are fined or reported?
Plod aren't totally stupid.
caelite said:
J4CKO said:
Always amazes me how some of the folk at these meets, who obviously spend a lot of time and money on their cars, then proceed to really abuse them, can sort of understand it with the ratty old BMW compacts and stuff but you see some really tidy stuff getting mercilessly ragged, I often wonder whether they get up the following morning like when you have had a proper session wondering what they did and remember killing £300 worth of tyres.
Most of the folk who build these types of cars build them with their actual enjoyment in mind, rather than just to look at them. I suspect a lot get a bit carried away for the benefit of the crowd.
After reading a couple of pages of this forum, it shocks me how anti car community this forum has become.
I’m 19 and honestly I don’t believe anyone on this forum remembers being a teenager. I own a powerful car for my age and have driven many other powerful cars, however I am not stupid when it comes to car events.
When going to these meets, I go to see friends and look/hear other people’s cars. The amounts of friends I have made at these meets is unbelievable. Great way to meet new people and see new builds and cars.
Naturally, like any spectator event. Golf, tennis, cricket, there are some bad apples that take it a little too far and make it a bit more dangerous than it should be. Not checking when coming out of junctions in this case...
I do think the council should provide an area where likeminded people can share there passion for cars... Disused car park, why not make it into an organised event the police won’t raid every weekend? Organised properly with volunteer Marshall’s telling cars when they are allowed to race up the strip or not... just throwing it out there as an idea.
If anyone has the guts to tell me on this forum that they’ve never as a young person, wanted to show people their car and let people hear their new golf R etc, you’re a liar. Wouldn’t be on this forum or not.
I do think some people when they hit a certain age forget about being young, and begin to hate on the young. ‘Stupid 4 cylinders’ ‘leased golf R’ ‘S3 fart box’
Yes people enjoy their cars now and some people take it too far sometimes, however this event does not warrant meets being faced with £2000 fines for attending as I think mentioned above.
I work hard through the week to be able to pay for everything I have, and on a weekend I owe it to myself to enjoy my things and my car with friends.
Think about how many meets will go on EVERY night in England. How many deaths has there been this year???
Not many. Why should everyone be punished for a motor incident? People of all ages crash their cars everyday.
Hope this will get everyone to have a little think for a moment...
I’m 19 and honestly I don’t believe anyone on this forum remembers being a teenager. I own a powerful car for my age and have driven many other powerful cars, however I am not stupid when it comes to car events.
When going to these meets, I go to see friends and look/hear other people’s cars. The amounts of friends I have made at these meets is unbelievable. Great way to meet new people and see new builds and cars.
Naturally, like any spectator event. Golf, tennis, cricket, there are some bad apples that take it a little too far and make it a bit more dangerous than it should be. Not checking when coming out of junctions in this case...
I do think the council should provide an area where likeminded people can share there passion for cars... Disused car park, why not make it into an organised event the police won’t raid every weekend? Organised properly with volunteer Marshall’s telling cars when they are allowed to race up the strip or not... just throwing it out there as an idea.
If anyone has the guts to tell me on this forum that they’ve never as a young person, wanted to show people their car and let people hear their new golf R etc, you’re a liar. Wouldn’t be on this forum or not.
I do think some people when they hit a certain age forget about being young, and begin to hate on the young. ‘Stupid 4 cylinders’ ‘leased golf R’ ‘S3 fart box’
Yes people enjoy their cars now and some people take it too far sometimes, however this event does not warrant meets being faced with £2000 fines for attending as I think mentioned above.
I work hard through the week to be able to pay for everything I have, and on a weekend I owe it to myself to enjoy my things and my car with friends.
Think about how many meets will go on EVERY night in England. How many deaths has there been this year???
Not many. Why should everyone be punished for a motor incident? People of all ages crash their cars everyday.
Hope this will get everyone to have a little think for a moment...
GEllisM4 said:
After reading a couple of pages of this forum, it shocks me how anti car community this forum has become.
I’m 19 and honestly I don’t believe anyone on this forum remembers being a teenager. I own a powerful car for my age and have driven many other powerful cars, however I am not stupid when it comes to car events.
When going to these meets, I go to see friends and look/hear other people’s cars. The amounts of friends I have made at these meets is unbelievable. Great way to meet new people and see new builds and cars.
Naturally, like any spectator event. Golf, tennis, cricket, there are some bad apples that take it a little too far and make it a bit more dangerous than it should be. Not checking when coming out of junctions in this case...
I do think the council should provide an area where likeminded people can share there passion for cars... Disused car park, why not make it into an organised event the police won’t raid every weekend? Organised properly with volunteer Marshall’s telling cars when they are allowed to race up the strip or not... just throwing it out there as an idea.
If anyone has the guts to tell me on this forum that they’ve never as a young person, wanted to show people their car and let people hear their new golf R etc, you’re a liar. Wouldn’t be on this forum or not.
I do think some people when they hit a certain age forget about being young, and begin to hate on the young. ‘Stupid 4 cylinders’ ‘leased golf R’ ‘S3 fart box’
Yes people enjoy their cars now and some people take it too far sometimes, however this event does not warrant meets being faced with £2000 fines for attending as I think mentioned above.
I work hard through the week to be able to pay for everything I have, and on a weekend I owe it to myself to enjoy my things and my car with friends.
Think about how many meets will go on EVERY night in England. How many deaths has there been this year???
Not many. Why should everyone be punished for a motor incident? People of all ages crash their cars everyday.
Hope this will get everyone to have a little think for a moment...
The wisdom of a 19 year old.I’m 19 and honestly I don’t believe anyone on this forum remembers being a teenager. I own a powerful car for my age and have driven many other powerful cars, however I am not stupid when it comes to car events.
When going to these meets, I go to see friends and look/hear other people’s cars. The amounts of friends I have made at these meets is unbelievable. Great way to meet new people and see new builds and cars.
Naturally, like any spectator event. Golf, tennis, cricket, there are some bad apples that take it a little too far and make it a bit more dangerous than it should be. Not checking when coming out of junctions in this case...
I do think the council should provide an area where likeminded people can share there passion for cars... Disused car park, why not make it into an organised event the police won’t raid every weekend? Organised properly with volunteer Marshall’s telling cars when they are allowed to race up the strip or not... just throwing it out there as an idea.
If anyone has the guts to tell me on this forum that they’ve never as a young person, wanted to show people their car and let people hear their new golf R etc, you’re a liar. Wouldn’t be on this forum or not.
I do think some people when they hit a certain age forget about being young, and begin to hate on the young. ‘Stupid 4 cylinders’ ‘leased golf R’ ‘S3 fart box’
Yes people enjoy their cars now and some people take it too far sometimes, however this event does not warrant meets being faced with £2000 fines for attending as I think mentioned above.
I work hard through the week to be able to pay for everything I have, and on a weekend I owe it to myself to enjoy my things and my car with friends.
Think about how many meets will go on EVERY night in England. How many deaths has there been this year???
Not many. Why should everyone be punished for a motor incident? People of all ages crash their cars everyday.
Hope this will get everyone to have a little think for a moment...
GEllisM4 said:
After reading a couple of pages of this forum, it shocks me how anti car community this forum has become.
I’m 19 and honestly I don’t believe anyone on this forum remembers being a teenager. I own a powerful car for my age and have driven many other powerful cars, however I am not stupid when it comes to car events.
When going to these meets, I go to see friends and look/hear other people’s cars. The amounts of friends I have made at these meets is unbelievable. Great way to meet new people and see new builds and cars.
Naturally, like any spectator event. Golf, tennis, cricket, there are some bad apples that take it a little too far and make it a bit more dangerous than it should be. Not checking when coming out of junctions in this case...
I do think the council should provide an area where likeminded people can share there passion for cars... Disused car park, why not make it into an organised event the police won’t raid every weekend? Organised properly with volunteer Marshall’s telling cars when they are allowed to race up the strip or not... just throwing it out there as an idea.
If anyone has the guts to tell me on this forum that they’ve never as a young person, wanted to show people their car and let people hear their new golf R etc, you’re a liar. Wouldn’t be on this forum or not.
I do think some people when they hit a certain age forget about being young, and begin to hate on the young. ‘Stupid 4 cylinders’ ‘leased golf R’ ‘S3 fart box’
Yes people enjoy their cars now and some people take it too far sometimes, however this event does not warrant meets being faced with £2000 fines for attending as I think mentioned above.
I work hard through the week to be able to pay for everything I have, and on a weekend I owe it to myself to enjoy my things and my car with friends.
Think about how many meets will go on EVERY night in England. How many deaths has there been this year???
Not many. Why should everyone be punished for a motor incident? People of all ages crash their cars everyday.
Hope this will get everyone to have a little think for a moment...
If you think the bad apple in this case was the guy not checking the junction then I think you're already lost.I’m 19 and honestly I don’t believe anyone on this forum remembers being a teenager. I own a powerful car for my age and have driven many other powerful cars, however I am not stupid when it comes to car events.
When going to these meets, I go to see friends and look/hear other people’s cars. The amounts of friends I have made at these meets is unbelievable. Great way to meet new people and see new builds and cars.
Naturally, like any spectator event. Golf, tennis, cricket, there are some bad apples that take it a little too far and make it a bit more dangerous than it should be. Not checking when coming out of junctions in this case...
I do think the council should provide an area where likeminded people can share there passion for cars... Disused car park, why not make it into an organised event the police won’t raid every weekend? Organised properly with volunteer Marshall’s telling cars when they are allowed to race up the strip or not... just throwing it out there as an idea.
If anyone has the guts to tell me on this forum that they’ve never as a young person, wanted to show people their car and let people hear their new golf R etc, you’re a liar. Wouldn’t be on this forum or not.
I do think some people when they hit a certain age forget about being young, and begin to hate on the young. ‘Stupid 4 cylinders’ ‘leased golf R’ ‘S3 fart box’
Yes people enjoy their cars now and some people take it too far sometimes, however this event does not warrant meets being faced with £2000 fines for attending as I think mentioned above.
I work hard through the week to be able to pay for everything I have, and on a weekend I owe it to myself to enjoy my things and my car with friends.
Think about how many meets will go on EVERY night in England. How many deaths has there been this year???
Not many. Why should everyone be punished for a motor incident? People of all ages crash their cars everyday.
Hope this will get everyone to have a little think for a moment...
Why not start again.
GEllisM4 said:
After reading a couple of pages of this forum, it shocks me how anti car community this forum has become.
I’m 19 and honestly I don’t believe anyone on this forum remembers being a teenager. I own a powerful car for my age and have driven many other powerful cars, however I am not stupid when it comes to car events.
When going to these meets, I go to see friends and look/hear other people’s cars. The amounts of friends I have made at these meets is unbelievable. Great way to meet new people and see new builds and cars.
Naturally, like any spectator event. Golf, tennis, cricket, there are some bad apples that take it a little too far and make it a bit more dangerous than it should be. Not checking when coming out of junctions in this case...
I do think the council should provide an area where likeminded people can share there passion for cars... Disused car park, why not make it into an organised event the police won’t raid every weekend? Organised properly with volunteer Marshall’s telling cars when they are allowed to race up the strip or not... just throwing it out there as an idea.
If anyone has the guts to tell me on this forum that they’ve never as a young person, wanted to show people their car and let people hear their new golf R etc, you’re a liar. Wouldn’t be on this forum or not.
I do think some people when they hit a certain age forget about being young, and begin to hate on the young. ‘Stupid 4 cylinders’ ‘leased golf R’ ‘S3 fart box’
Yes people enjoy their cars now and some people take it too far sometimes, however this event does not warrant meets being faced with £2000 fines for attending as I think mentioned above.
I work hard through the week to be able to pay for everything I have, and on a weekend I owe it to myself to enjoy my things and my car with friends.
Think about how many meets will go on EVERY night in England. How many deaths has there been this year???
Not many. Why should everyone be punished for a motor incident? People of all ages crash their cars everyday.
Hope this will get everyone to have a little think for a moment...
I think it’s great to hear the view of someone younger. Thanks for posting.I’m 19 and honestly I don’t believe anyone on this forum remembers being a teenager. I own a powerful car for my age and have driven many other powerful cars, however I am not stupid when it comes to car events.
When going to these meets, I go to see friends and look/hear other people’s cars. The amounts of friends I have made at these meets is unbelievable. Great way to meet new people and see new builds and cars.
Naturally, like any spectator event. Golf, tennis, cricket, there are some bad apples that take it a little too far and make it a bit more dangerous than it should be. Not checking when coming out of junctions in this case...
I do think the council should provide an area where likeminded people can share there passion for cars... Disused car park, why not make it into an organised event the police won’t raid every weekend? Organised properly with volunteer Marshall’s telling cars when they are allowed to race up the strip or not... just throwing it out there as an idea.
If anyone has the guts to tell me on this forum that they’ve never as a young person, wanted to show people their car and let people hear their new golf R etc, you’re a liar. Wouldn’t be on this forum or not.
I do think some people when they hit a certain age forget about being young, and begin to hate on the young. ‘Stupid 4 cylinders’ ‘leased golf R’ ‘S3 fart box’
Yes people enjoy their cars now and some people take it too far sometimes, however this event does not warrant meets being faced with £2000 fines for attending as I think mentioned above.
I work hard through the week to be able to pay for everything I have, and on a weekend I owe it to myself to enjoy my things and my car with friends.
Think about how many meets will go on EVERY night in England. How many deaths has there been this year???
Not many. Why should everyone be punished for a motor incident? People of all ages crash their cars everyday.
Hope this will get everyone to have a little think for a moment...
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