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cat220 said:
r129sl said:
I'm sick of barges.
Heading to Geneva in the 124 at noon tomorrow. 7pm tonight, the exhaust blows a hole. Great.
Local Merc dealer is offering a new E220d for £1000 down and £400 a month. I might bang on his door at 9am.
We've all been there, keep it in perspective, it's a blow in the exhaust. £5800 over 12 months, for a base model new e class. no thanks. Heading to Geneva in the 124 at noon tomorrow. 7pm tonight, the exhaust blows a hole. Great.
Local Merc dealer is offering a new E220d for £1000 down and £400 a month. I might bang on his door at 9am.
Still, I'd rather have the 745i than an E class diesel.
I saw a brand new 7 series earlier....must say it looked nice inside, but I definitely prefer the F01 shape.
edit - I realise your W124 is a diesel E class as well, but I'd probably take it over a current model one.....
My own fault for not replacing the front pipe on a car with 337,000miles on the clock.
I'm sure this will last the journey there and back:
On the new E-Class front, I wrote to the top man at MBUK asking why they wouldn't sell me an "elegant" C- or E-Class. To my astonishment, I received a charming and very full explanation (I am not being sarcastic), the gist of which is: 95% of their sales are on PCP or a lease and the model only works if the cars are all much the same so there is no room for oddball specs.
I'm sure this will last the journey there and back:
On the new E-Class front, I wrote to the top man at MBUK asking why they wouldn't sell me an "elegant" C- or E-Class. To my astonishment, I received a charming and very full explanation (I am not being sarcastic), the gist of which is: 95% of their sales are on PCP or a lease and the model only works if the cars are all much the same so there is no room for oddball specs.
E65Ross said:
cat220 said:
r129sl said:
I'm sick of barges.
Heading to Geneva in the 124 at noon tomorrow. 7pm tonight, the exhaust blows a hole. Great.
Local Merc dealer is offering a new E220d for £1000 down and £400 a month. I might bang on his door at 9am.
We've all been there, keep it in perspective, it's a blow in the exhaust. £5800 over 12 months, for a base model new e class. no thanks. Heading to Geneva in the 124 at noon tomorrow. 7pm tonight, the exhaust blows a hole. Great.
Local Merc dealer is offering a new E220d for £1000 down and £400 a month. I might bang on his door at 9am.
Still, I'd rather have the 745i than an E class diesel.
I saw a brand new 7 series earlier....must say it looked nice inside, but I definitely prefer the F01 shape.
edit - I realise your W124 is a diesel E class as well, but I'd probably take it over a current model one.....
Hope all goes well tomorrow!
harrykul said:
Well, at least he was honest.
Could you ask him to make them elegant specs and ditch the faux sports stuff?
Here's the full text. So there's little chance of getting a nice Merc yet somehow I feel warmer still towards the marque.Could you ask him to make them elegant specs and ditch the faux sports stuff?
MB Marketing Top Brass said:
Dear Mr Rodger,
My colleagues and I have now had the chance to look into the points you’ve raised, and I hope this email gives you an outline of why certain things are available, and others are less obvious.
When the new 205 and 213 series C-Class and E-Class models were being developed, they had to be ready for current and future emissions targets. This is largely achieved in three areas: Removing weight from the car (use of different materials); improving aerodynamics [to make the car as slippery as possible] and downsizing engines, with a view to improving their fuel consumptions.
These measures include things such as aluminium doors and other body parts, the greater use of composites and technologies to reduce the unladen weight. It improves fuel consumption and increases the vehicles’ range. This is the similar story for the new E-Class, and it’s why the old options of the big “long range” tanks aren’t around now. For both these ranges, the UK specification is to make the largest available tank – with 66-litres – standard, in place of the smaller tank offered elsewhere.
Spare wheels were removed from both ranges across Europe to similarly help reduce the weight of the car. They come with “Tirefit” now – the tyre repair and pump system, and each new car also has an SOS button. If there’s a flat tyre, by pushing the SOS button located by the interior rear view mirror, our breakdown team can come and repair the problem.
Midway during the lifecycle of both the previous-generation C-Class and E-Class models (204 and 212 series, respectively) we looked at the options that customers were buying, and what was proving unpopular. This was the case for the “traditional” grille with bonnet-mounted badge. In fact less than one per cent of sales of the previous C-Class had this grille. So, it was stopped.
Throughout all the cars’ ranges, the products on offer are changed to reflect the buying patterns of our customers. There are popular options on our cars that previously weren’t available, and some less-popular options have been removed over time. Other things have been replaced.
Well over 80 per cent of new cars bought by customers are purchased through PCP finance packages, where the cars’ “attractiveness” to a used car buyer is taken into account as part of the pricing. This is why we’ve seen more people choose blacks, greys, silvers, blues and whites rather than previously-available brighter colours.
Getting into the specifics of your question, the C-Class range does currently have Silk Beige Artico [man-made] or natural leather options available, and the E-Class is available with Macchiato Beige or Hazelnut Brown interiors.
We don’t offer glossy wood trim in the UK but dark brown ash wood trim is available (with a contemporary open pore, matt finish) on both ranges.
The E-Class Estate SE is offered with 17” alloy wheels, which are the smallest available across any market. With the C-Class, I recently used a C-Class Sport with 17” wheels. Its 225/50 R17 tyres have good sidewall profiles, and coupled with the cars’ Agility Control suspension, gave what I considered to be a very comfortable ride. The Sport is available with the beige leather and open pore wood as mentioned above. In C-Class, the SE trim line is available with 16” wheels but the options available are different – again, as an attempt to reduce complexity.
The only colour choice we don’t offer on either car is the Citrine Brown, again largely because of very low purchase rates previously. There are 11 shades available for C-Class. We do offer a special build service where virtually any colour we’ve ever used is available as an option. This tends to add time to the order process but it is available.
This reduction in model complexity does mean that the breadth of bespoke cars available across the range is reduced but this was based on the evidence that when we did offer these things, very few people bought them.
Our focus has been – for several years now – offering popular products that lots of customers enjoy choosing and owning, and that have good residual values that help the used car market too.
If you’d like me to, I’d be very happy to contact a Mercedes-Benz Retailer for you to ask them to get in touch, and you could try out one of the new models, which I’d hope you’d enjoy. I felt the suspension, ride comfort and driving range on my previous C 220 d Sport Estate was terrific. Similarly, the new E220 d has a brand new engine which returns even greater range and better fuel consumption than before.
I realise this is a very long email but we wanted to give you some background on why we took the decisions to focus our range rather than to continue the approach of previous decades.
With kind regards,
Rob
Rob Halloway
Marketing Director Mercedes-Benz Cars
Mercedes-Benz UK Limited
My colleagues and I have now had the chance to look into the points you’ve raised, and I hope this email gives you an outline of why certain things are available, and others are less obvious.
When the new 205 and 213 series C-Class and E-Class models were being developed, they had to be ready for current and future emissions targets. This is largely achieved in three areas: Removing weight from the car (use of different materials); improving aerodynamics [to make the car as slippery as possible] and downsizing engines, with a view to improving their fuel consumptions.
These measures include things such as aluminium doors and other body parts, the greater use of composites and technologies to reduce the unladen weight. It improves fuel consumption and increases the vehicles’ range. This is the similar story for the new E-Class, and it’s why the old options of the big “long range” tanks aren’t around now. For both these ranges, the UK specification is to make the largest available tank – with 66-litres – standard, in place of the smaller tank offered elsewhere.
Spare wheels were removed from both ranges across Europe to similarly help reduce the weight of the car. They come with “Tirefit” now – the tyre repair and pump system, and each new car also has an SOS button. If there’s a flat tyre, by pushing the SOS button located by the interior rear view mirror, our breakdown team can come and repair the problem.
Midway during the lifecycle of both the previous-generation C-Class and E-Class models (204 and 212 series, respectively) we looked at the options that customers were buying, and what was proving unpopular. This was the case for the “traditional” grille with bonnet-mounted badge. In fact less than one per cent of sales of the previous C-Class had this grille. So, it was stopped.
Throughout all the cars’ ranges, the products on offer are changed to reflect the buying patterns of our customers. There are popular options on our cars that previously weren’t available, and some less-popular options have been removed over time. Other things have been replaced.
Well over 80 per cent of new cars bought by customers are purchased through PCP finance packages, where the cars’ “attractiveness” to a used car buyer is taken into account as part of the pricing. This is why we’ve seen more people choose blacks, greys, silvers, blues and whites rather than previously-available brighter colours.
Getting into the specifics of your question, the C-Class range does currently have Silk Beige Artico [man-made] or natural leather options available, and the E-Class is available with Macchiato Beige or Hazelnut Brown interiors.
We don’t offer glossy wood trim in the UK but dark brown ash wood trim is available (with a contemporary open pore, matt finish) on both ranges.
The E-Class Estate SE is offered with 17” alloy wheels, which are the smallest available across any market. With the C-Class, I recently used a C-Class Sport with 17” wheels. Its 225/50 R17 tyres have good sidewall profiles, and coupled with the cars’ Agility Control suspension, gave what I considered to be a very comfortable ride. The Sport is available with the beige leather and open pore wood as mentioned above. In C-Class, the SE trim line is available with 16” wheels but the options available are different – again, as an attempt to reduce complexity.
The only colour choice we don’t offer on either car is the Citrine Brown, again largely because of very low purchase rates previously. There are 11 shades available for C-Class. We do offer a special build service where virtually any colour we’ve ever used is available as an option. This tends to add time to the order process but it is available.
This reduction in model complexity does mean that the breadth of bespoke cars available across the range is reduced but this was based on the evidence that when we did offer these things, very few people bought them.
Our focus has been – for several years now – offering popular products that lots of customers enjoy choosing and owning, and that have good residual values that help the used car market too.
If you’d like me to, I’d be very happy to contact a Mercedes-Benz Retailer for you to ask them to get in touch, and you could try out one of the new models, which I’d hope you’d enjoy. I felt the suspension, ride comfort and driving range on my previous C 220 d Sport Estate was terrific. Similarly, the new E220 d has a brand new engine which returns even greater range and better fuel consumption than before.
I realise this is a very long email but we wanted to give you some background on why we took the decisions to focus our range rather than to continue the approach of previous decades.
With kind regards,
Rob
Rob Halloway
Marketing Director Mercedes-Benz Cars
Mercedes-Benz UK Limited
phil_cardiff said:
What about the time id piddled some sort of fluid everywhere? Anyway, you'll probably have less faults, let alone breakdowns.
Not to mention fun, excitement, fun and pride.However, buying your first house is an awesome experience and as the opportunity is with you, it must be your priority but we'll continue to rib you about the car because ... well why not
Good luck with the house and may the Corolla be a short lived step.
0a said:
I am thinking about a fleet rejig and an XJR. Anything to watch out for? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-04-JAGUAR-XJR-4-2-V...
Speed Cameras.bob-lad said:
0a said:
I am thinking about a fleet rejig and an XJR. Anything to watch out for? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2004-04-JAGUAR-XJR-4-2-V...
Speed Cameras.r129sl said:
harrykul said:
Well, at least he was honest.
Could you ask him to make them elegant specs and ditch the faux sports stuff?
Here's the full text. So there's little chance of getting a nice Merc yet somehow I feel warmer still towards the marque.Could you ask him to make them elegant specs and ditch the faux sports stuff?
MB Marketing Top Brass said:
Dear Mr Rodger,
My colleagues and I have now had the chance to look into the points you’ve raised, and I hope this email gives you an outline of why certain things are available, and others are less obvious.
When the new 205 and 213 series C-Class and E-Class models were being developed, they had to be ready for current and future emissions targets. This is largely achieved in three areas: Removing weight from the car (use of different materials); improving aerodynamics [to make the car as slippery as possible] and downsizing engines, with a view to improving their fuel consumptions.
These measures include things such as aluminium doors and other body parts, the greater use of composites and technologies to reduce the unladen weight. It improves fuel consumption and increases the vehicles’ range. This is the similar story for the new E-Class, and it’s why the old options of the big “long range” tanks aren’t around now. For both these ranges, the UK specification is to make the largest available tank – with 66-litres – standard, in place of the smaller tank offered elsewhere.
Spare wheels were removed from both ranges across Europe to similarly help reduce the weight of the car. They come with “Tirefit” now – the tyre repair and pump system, and each new car also has an SOS button. If there’s a flat tyre, by pushing the SOS button located by the interior rear view mirror, our breakdown team can come and repair the problem.
Midway during the lifecycle of both the previous-generation C-Class and E-Class models (204 and 212 series, respectively) we looked at the options that customers were buying, and what was proving unpopular. This was the case for the “traditional” grille with bonnet-mounted badge. In fact less than one per cent of sales of the previous C-Class had this grille. So, it was stopped.
Throughout all the cars’ ranges, the products on offer are changed to reflect the buying patterns of our customers. There are popular options on our cars that previously weren’t available, and some less-popular options have been removed over time. Other things have been replaced.
Well over 80 per cent of new cars bought by customers are purchased through PCP finance packages, where the cars’ “attractiveness” to a used car buyer is taken into account as part of the pricing. This is why we’ve seen more people choose blacks, greys, silvers, blues and whites rather than previously-available brighter colours.
Getting into the specifics of your question, the C-Class range does currently have Silk Beige Artico [man-made] or natural leather options available, and the E-Class is available with Macchiato Beige or Hazelnut Brown interiors.
We don’t offer glossy wood trim in the UK but dark brown ash wood trim is available (with a contemporary open pore, matt finish) on both ranges.
The E-Class Estate SE is offered with 17” alloy wheels, which are the smallest available across any market. With the C-Class, I recently used a C-Class Sport with 17” wheels. Its 225/50 R17 tyres have good sidewall profiles, and coupled with the cars’ Agility Control suspension, gave what I considered to be a very comfortable ride. The Sport is available with the beige leather and open pore wood as mentioned above. In C-Class, the SE trim line is available with 16” wheels but the options available are different – again, as an attempt to reduce complexity.
The only colour choice we don’t offer on either car is the Citrine Brown, again largely because of very low purchase rates previously. There are 11 shades available for C-Class. We do offer a special build service where virtually any colour we’ve ever used is available as an option. This tends to add time to the order process but it is available.
This reduction in model complexity does mean that the breadth of bespoke cars available across the range is reduced but this was based on the evidence that when we did offer these things, very few people bought them.
Our focus has been – for several years now – offering popular products that lots of customers enjoy choosing and owning, and that have good residual values that help the used car market too.
If you’d like me to, I’d be very happy to contact a Mercedes-Benz Retailer for you to ask them to get in touch, and you could try out one of the new models, which I’d hope you’d enjoy. I felt the suspension, ride comfort and driving range on my previous C 220 d Sport Estate was terrific. Similarly, the new E220 d has a brand new engine which returns even greater range and better fuel consumption than before.
I realise this is a very long email but we wanted to give you some background on why we took the decisions to focus our range rather than to continue the approach of previous decades.
With kind regards,
Rob
Rob Halloway
Marketing Director Mercedes-Benz Cars
Mercedes-Benz UK Limited
My colleagues and I have now had the chance to look into the points you’ve raised, and I hope this email gives you an outline of why certain things are available, and others are less obvious.
When the new 205 and 213 series C-Class and E-Class models were being developed, they had to be ready for current and future emissions targets. This is largely achieved in three areas: Removing weight from the car (use of different materials); improving aerodynamics [to make the car as slippery as possible] and downsizing engines, with a view to improving their fuel consumptions.
These measures include things such as aluminium doors and other body parts, the greater use of composites and technologies to reduce the unladen weight. It improves fuel consumption and increases the vehicles’ range. This is the similar story for the new E-Class, and it’s why the old options of the big “long range” tanks aren’t around now. For both these ranges, the UK specification is to make the largest available tank – with 66-litres – standard, in place of the smaller tank offered elsewhere.
Spare wheels were removed from both ranges across Europe to similarly help reduce the weight of the car. They come with “Tirefit” now – the tyre repair and pump system, and each new car also has an SOS button. If there’s a flat tyre, by pushing the SOS button located by the interior rear view mirror, our breakdown team can come and repair the problem.
Midway during the lifecycle of both the previous-generation C-Class and E-Class models (204 and 212 series, respectively) we looked at the options that customers were buying, and what was proving unpopular. This was the case for the “traditional” grille with bonnet-mounted badge. In fact less than one per cent of sales of the previous C-Class had this grille. So, it was stopped.
Throughout all the cars’ ranges, the products on offer are changed to reflect the buying patterns of our customers. There are popular options on our cars that previously weren’t available, and some less-popular options have been removed over time. Other things have been replaced.
Well over 80 per cent of new cars bought by customers are purchased through PCP finance packages, where the cars’ “attractiveness” to a used car buyer is taken into account as part of the pricing. This is why we’ve seen more people choose blacks, greys, silvers, blues and whites rather than previously-available brighter colours.
Getting into the specifics of your question, the C-Class range does currently have Silk Beige Artico [man-made] or natural leather options available, and the E-Class is available with Macchiato Beige or Hazelnut Brown interiors.
We don’t offer glossy wood trim in the UK but dark brown ash wood trim is available (with a contemporary open pore, matt finish) on both ranges.
The E-Class Estate SE is offered with 17” alloy wheels, which are the smallest available across any market. With the C-Class, I recently used a C-Class Sport with 17” wheels. Its 225/50 R17 tyres have good sidewall profiles, and coupled with the cars’ Agility Control suspension, gave what I considered to be a very comfortable ride. The Sport is available with the beige leather and open pore wood as mentioned above. In C-Class, the SE trim line is available with 16” wheels but the options available are different – again, as an attempt to reduce complexity.
The only colour choice we don’t offer on either car is the Citrine Brown, again largely because of very low purchase rates previously. There are 11 shades available for C-Class. We do offer a special build service where virtually any colour we’ve ever used is available as an option. This tends to add time to the order process but it is available.
This reduction in model complexity does mean that the breadth of bespoke cars available across the range is reduced but this was based on the evidence that when we did offer these things, very few people bought them.
Our focus has been – for several years now – offering popular products that lots of customers enjoy choosing and owning, and that have good residual values that help the used car market too.
If you’d like me to, I’d be very happy to contact a Mercedes-Benz Retailer for you to ask them to get in touch, and you could try out one of the new models, which I’d hope you’d enjoy. I felt the suspension, ride comfort and driving range on my previous C 220 d Sport Estate was terrific. Similarly, the new E220 d has a brand new engine which returns even greater range and better fuel consumption than before.
I realise this is a very long email but we wanted to give you some background on why we took the decisions to focus our range rather than to continue the approach of previous decades.
With kind regards,
Rob
Rob Halloway
Marketing Director Mercedes-Benz Cars
Mercedes-Benz UK Limited
cat220 said:
E65Ross said:
cat220 said:
r129sl said:
I'm sick of barges.
Heading to Geneva in the 124 at noon tomorrow. 7pm tonight, the exhaust blows a hole. Great.
Local Merc dealer is offering a new E220d for £1000 down and £400 a month. I might bang on his door at 9am.
We've all been there, keep it in perspective, it's a blow in the exhaust. £5800 over 12 months, for a base model new e class. no thanks. Heading to Geneva in the 124 at noon tomorrow. 7pm tonight, the exhaust blows a hole. Great.
Local Merc dealer is offering a new E220d for £1000 down and £400 a month. I might bang on his door at 9am.
Still, I'd rather have the 745i than an E class diesel.
I saw a brand new 7 series earlier....must say it looked nice inside, but I definitely prefer the F01 shape.
edit - I realise your W124 is a diesel E class as well, but I'd probably take it over a current model one.....
Hope all goes well tomorrow!
The 4.4 in the E65 is a peach. One of the smoothest engines I've experienced to be honest. Only been in 1 V12 mind, a DB9.
r129sl said:
My own fault for not replacing the front pipe on a car with 337,000miles on the clock.
I'm sure this will last the journey there and back:
I don't see why not. My youth was spent helping my Dad bandage up our old crappy cars of the 70s/80s with either gungum or bondo and ally mesh.I'm sure this will last the journey there and back:
bob-lad said:
phil_cardiff said:
What about the time id piddled some sort of fluid everywhere? Anyway, you'll probably have less faults, let alone breakdowns.
Not to mention fun, excitement, fun and pride.However, buying your first house is an awesome experience and as the opportunity is with you, it must be your priority but we'll continue to rib you about the car because ... well why not
Good luck with the house and may the Corolla be a short lived step.
t box. I'll be back though. SpeckledJim said:
tobinen said:
SpeckledJim said:
New thread-qualifying purchase. True to type it is:
It addition to the Jag?- A bit old but not very
- A bit sheddy but not very
- Cheap, but not very
- Rocking an LPG conversion
I love this bit, and it doesn't happen often enough for me to risk popping my own smoky 1-5 barge balloon.
The Merc email is nice. The customer is always right as they say.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Under budget loveliness.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2016...
Under budget loveliness.
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