Awkward design details on production cars

Awkward design details on production cars

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SlowcoachIII

304 posts

223 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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sawman said:
have we had the panel joint halfway over the fiat spyder front wing?


someone pointed it out a few weeks ago, and now, whenever I see a spyder it's the only feature I can see... pity really I quite like it before
It’s the same on the Mazda MX5 it’s based on, although the MX5 joint could be ever so slightly further forwards

steviegunn

1,417 posts

186 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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sawman said:
have we had the panel joint halfway over the fiat spyder front wing?


someone pointed it out a few weeks ago, and now, whenever I see a spyder it's the only feature I can see... pity really I quite like it before
Peugeot RCZ does the same thing, looks awful in a light colour:


Cyder

7,074 posts

222 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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ajprice said:
Noticed this on a Qashqai the other day. The indicator bulbs are right next to the LED DRLs, the DRLs win on brightness, and unlike most others like the Mondeo, Audi etc. the one side doesn't dim when the indicator comes on, so the indicator isn't easy to see.

The design team realised this and listened to the feedback from the market and for the facelift (low grade lamp) developed the DRL so that it dims when the indicator is functioning to aid visibility.

Bloody good bloke the designer of those lamps on the facelift Qashqai. Handsome too. whistle

ETA, high grade LED lamp the DRL changes to be the indicator so there’s no chance of missing that when it’s on.

Matt Cup

3,185 posts

106 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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Cyder said:
HTP99 said:
Matt Cup said:


This plastic thing stuck on the side of most small hatchbacks in some flavour.

I have no idea what its there for, but why couldn't they have incorporated it into the design of the car?
I think it is to aid airflow around the rear lamps so they don't get caked in general road crap so they keep clean, other cars have similar bits but are much better integrated.
It’s an aero trip edge to make the flow separate at that point rather than hold on to the form of the body around the back of the car.

The idea is to generate a clean separation of airflow to reduce the coefficient of drag and in turn increase fuel economy/reduce CO2.
Thanks both.

I assume in other countries outside of the EU don’t have those stuck on then as the requirements are different.

anonymous-user

56 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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Cyder said:
Bloody good bloke the designer of those lamps on the facelift Qashqai. Handsome too. whistle
roflbeer

saaby93

32,038 posts

180 months

Sunday 22nd July 2018
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dme123 said:
Cyder said:
Bloody good bloke the designer of those lamps on the facelift Qashqai. Handsome too. whistle
roflbeer
sonar
Can anyone else here put their name to something on a current production car?


Plate spinner

17,807 posts

202 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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mat205125 said:
Dapster said:
mat205125 said:
Huge chrome circles and stylised chrome oblongs on the rear bumpers, with or without holes through the middle for exhaust gasses to escape through, from their apologetic tailpipes.

Step forward Mercedes Benz for being the worst offender for all of the above....
Audi SQ5, that's you that is....



Good god, why????

Are their no car enthusiasts involved in new car development and design??
I’m not sure they’d be the right cultural fit at Audi...

anonymous-user

56 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Cyder said:
HTP99 said:
Matt Cup said:


This plastic thing stuck on the side of most small hatchbacks in some flavour.

I have no idea what its there for, but why couldn't they have incorporated it into the design of the car?
I think it is to aid airflow around the rear lamps so they don't get caked in general road crap so they keep clean, other cars have similar bits but are much better integrated.
It’s an aero trip edge to make the flow separate at that point rather than hold on to the form of the body around the back of the car.

The idea is to generate a clean separation of airflow to reduce the coefficient of drag and in turn increase fuel economy/reduce CO2.
It seems a bit of an afterthought from a design perspective- I did wonder whether when testing they found problems with rear lift at speed (similar to TT MK1) and used these mini canards to reduce it?

ambuletz

10,837 posts

183 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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it's meant to apparently add an extra 1mpg at higher speeds from reduced drag

595Heaven

2,437 posts

80 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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saaby93 said:
sonar
Can anyone else here put their name to something on a current production car?
Yes. I named one of the premium metallic colours in the JLR palette. Cool story, bro...

shakotan

10,739 posts

198 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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mybrainhurts said:


Those black rubbing strips....so wrong
I'm probably due a parrot, but...that not factory.

Wildcat45

8,094 posts

191 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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595Heaven said:
Yes. I named one of the premium metallic colours in the JLR palette. Cool story, bro...
Ah, so you are the chap who could possibly answer my question.

Is there a policy for JLR to name colours after places? I've owned Santorini Black. Named after an Aegean Greek island. Kaikoura Stone. A place in New Zealand and my present car, is Corris Grey, Corris being a place in Wales.

Wildcat45

8,094 posts

191 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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AJXX1 said:
KillerHERTZ said:


Must the lettering be that large?
As a former disco 3 owner I've always detested these new shape disco's. Looks awful in my opinion, basically an evoque on steroids.
The lettering on the back of head bugs me.

I get the D I S C O V E R Y script on the back. All Land Rovers display their brand like this fore and aft. It's reminiscent of what appeared on the original Range Rover, so that's fine. Offering it in technical grey, gloss black or chrome is OK as it distinguishes between trim levels.

Below that you have the SPORT badge in a completely different font. It looks cheap and stuck on. Like something you can buy from an accessory shop.

Then you get a discreet metal badge with the model and engine designation on it. HSE TD4 or whatever. Its quite a classy upmarket little badge.

Its like three people designed the badges and they put them all on the back at the prototype stage then forgot to make a decision on which ones to ditch and a made it to production.

saaby93

32,038 posts

180 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Wildcat45 said:
The lettering on the back of head bugs me.

I get the D I S C O V E R Y script on the back. All Land Rovers display their grand like this fore and aft. It's reminiscent of what appeared on the original Range Rover, so that's fine. Offering it in technical grey, gloss black or chrome is OK as it distinguishes between trim levels.

Below that you have the SPORT badge in a completely different font. It looks cheap and stuck on. Like something you can buy from an accessory shop.

Then you get a discreet metal badge with the model and engine designation on it. HSE TD4 or whatever. Its quite a classy upmarket little badge.

Its like three people designed the badges and they put them all on the back at the prototype stage then forgot to make a decision and a made it to production.
They're trying to make sure people dont think it's a Freelander yes

The front LR badge is odd too theyve shifted it bottom right of the grille

Shakermaker

Original Poster:

11,317 posts

102 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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I started this topic with a Peugeot and I've found another problem with them

The rear light clusters on a Peugeot 307 CC do not match side to side. I can't find a photo that adequately demonstrates this. One side is obviously the rear fog light, and one side is the reversing light. But to achieve this, they have made the entire light cluster "white" on one side behind the red glass, and red on the other. When you're stuck behind it, it jars much more than any other car I've seen with similar set ups of fog light one side/reverse light on the other

brimson

100 posts

72 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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The Alfa Mito has two cup holders in the center console., one in front of the gear stick and the other behind the handbrake. Both of which are terrible, the front (pictured below) is awkward when changing gears and you can't have bigger than a medium coke in there and the other one is way too shallow for anything.



But, its Italian and you can't hold it against the car.


Oh, there's also no place to put your phone either so you have to put in the massive pocket by the cup holder, or in the massive plastic, door handles or sit on it.

GeordieInExile

683 posts

122 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Pica-Pica said:
Airflow, and removing rain from rear screen when moving?


Surely they could've done better than this.

wobert

5,083 posts

224 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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saaby93 said:
dme123 said:
Cyder said:
Bloody good bloke the designer of those lamps on the facelift Qashqai. Handsome too. whistle
roflbeer
sonar
Can anyone else here put their name to something on a current production car?
Not current production, but I was responsible for the plenum and intake system on this....


Alfa numeric

3,034 posts

181 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Matt Cup said:
Cyder said:
HTP99 said:
Matt Cup said:


This plastic thing stuck on the side of most small hatchbacks in some flavour.

I have no idea what its there for, but why couldn't they have incorporated it into the design of the car?
I think it is to aid airflow around the rear lamps so they don't get caked in general road crap so they keep clean, other cars have similar bits but are much better integrated.
It’s an aero trip edge to make the flow separate at that point rather than hold on to the form of the body around the back of the car.

The idea is to generate a clean separation of airflow to reduce the coefficient of drag and in turn increase fuel economy/reduce CO2.
Thanks both.

I assume in other countries outside of the EU don’t have those stuck on then as the requirements are different.
The car in the picture is wearing Australian numberplates so I'm guessing not! They really do look like an afterthought.

saaby93

32,038 posts

180 months

Monday 23rd July 2018
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Shakermaker said:
I started this topic with a Peugeot and I've found another problem with them

The rear light clusters on a Peugeot 307 CC do not match side to side. I can't find a photo that adequately demonstrates this. One side is obviously the rear fog light, and one side is the reversing light. But to achieve this, they have made the entire light cluster "white" on one side behind the red glass, and red on the other. When you're stuck behind it, it jars much more than any other car I've seen with similar set ups of fog light one side/reverse light on the other
this one?