JLR on 3 day week
Discussion
dme123 said:
I think your concerns about RRS reliability are not mistaken. I've never seen a modern car fail to proceed anything like as often as a colleagues TDV8 RRS. As you say even if the money doesn't bother you being stranded in car parks and on the hard shoulder most assuredly will. It is a shame, they're a bit of a shameful dirty pleasure of mine like Subway sandwiches and Newport girls.
Subway yes, but Newport girls? 
sapf0 said:
Some bloke I had a passing chat with today reckons there is a Landrover dealership being expanded to 47 service ramps. ??
He did work for VW.
Dealer near my hometown, getting fully redeveloped to JLR standards, have now ditched the Jaguar franchise and keeping it solely as LR. Looking at the plans, the showroom floor area is now tiny and the service floor is huge! My first thought was "that's the correct ratio!"He did work for VW.
Kierkegaard said:
sapf0 said:
Some bloke I had a passing chat with today reckons there is a Landrover dealership being expanded to 47 service ramps. ??
He did work for VW.
Dealer near my hometown, getting fully redeveloped to JLR standards, have now ditched the Jaguar franchise and keeping it solely as LR. Looking at the plans, the showroom floor area is now tiny and the service floor is huge! My first thought was "that's the correct ratio!"He did work for VW.
Edited by craigjm on Monday 31st December 14:22
For another perspective on JLR's woes. Three analysts here reckoning Castle Bromwich will shut for good. Basically, JLR got caught on the hop by crashing China sales just as they were increasing production capacity globally.
https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/why-jaguar-...
https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/why-jaguar-...
What I don't get with JLR is they are spending 100s of millions on so many new products, they are moving onto shorter lifecycles like other manufacturers, but Jaguar and more so Land Rover have been known and loved for the fact their products have such long life cycles.
IMHO they could have simply upgraded the Defender by putting in ultra modern engines and modern interiors, the new Evoque is hardly changing things a new infotainment system and digital dash with new lights would have been enough.
I get they have got to keep things moving on, but launching so many new models so quickly is always going to hurt if sales suddenly slow, it is a big gamble.
IMHO they could have simply upgraded the Defender by putting in ultra modern engines and modern interiors, the new Evoque is hardly changing things a new infotainment system and digital dash with new lights would have been enough.
I get they have got to keep things moving on, but launching so many new models so quickly is always going to hurt if sales suddenly slow, it is a big gamble.
gizlaroc said:
IMHO they could have simply upgraded the Defender by putting in ultra modern engines and modern interiors
Seriously? What about NVH, safety, ride/handling and all the other stuff that buyers of modern cars have got used to over the last forty-odd years?The Evoque (essentially a Freelander in a frock) was ready for an update, too - they have to compete alongside the Germans, whose development budgets and resources are huge by comparison.
gizlaroc said:
IMHO they could have simply upgraded the Defender by putting in ultra modern engines and modern interiors, the new Evoque is hardly changing things a new infotainment system and digital dash with new lights would have been enough.
They could have upgraded it from hopelessly s
t anachronism to slightly less hopelessly st anachronism. JLR are grand masters at squeezing every drop of value from a platform, if anything could have been done to continue selling it profitably in more than penny numbers I'm quite sure they would have done it.NickGibbs said:
For another perspective on JLR's woes. Three analysts here reckoning Castle Bromwich will shut for good. Basically, JLR got caught on the hop by crashing China sales just as they were increasing production capacity globally.
https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/why-jaguar-...
A comment in the reply section, for me, sums up the real issue succinctly.https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/why-jaguar-...
“Basically JLR are carrying the model diversity of a company like BMW with 20% of the sales volume.”
The comment further elaborates what most people tuned in, can guess: spreading precious R&D funds thinly when attention might better be applied to reliability. Hence a knock on effect for cost/income.
Management can hide behind the China figleaf, or highlight Brexit, but boiled down, if not enough of the public want the product then the company needs to look at itself.
JLR needs to refocus, rescale. Jaguar maybe should be 3/4 models or platforms max, make the F-Type better in class, stop the cannibalism with LR. LR? Velar, RRS, Discovery Sport....petrolheads might froth, but a bit confusing as to what the wider thinking is.
Simplify. Do fewer things, better.
If JLR got 3 Series and Qashqai rivals nailed, they could be the volume sellers that underpin everything else. Sadly JLR think the answer the everything is reskin another Disco variant or rely on a lukewarm XE/XF lineup.
"I would like a JLR SUV"
"We'll, you could have the E Pace, the F Pace, the Disco Sport, the Disco, The Velar, The RR Sport or the RR"
"Oh"
"I would like a JLR SUV"
"We'll, you could have the E Pace, the F Pace, the Disco Sport, the Disco, The Velar, The RR Sport or the RR"
"Oh"
janesmith1950 said:
If JLR got 3 Series and Qashqai rivals nailed, they could be the volume sellers that underpin everything else. Sadly JLR think the answer the everything is reskin another Disco variant or rely on a lukewarm XE/XF lineup.
"I would like a JLR SUV"
"We'll, you could have the E Pace, the F Pace, the Disco Sport, the Disco, The Velar, The RR Sport or the RR"
"Oh"
Dont forget the Evoque & I Pace "I would like a JLR SUV"
"We'll, you could have the E Pace, the F Pace, the Disco Sport, the Disco, The Velar, The RR Sport or the RR"
"Oh"
janesmith1950 said:
If JLR got 3 Series and Qashqai rivals nailed, they could be the volume sellers that underpin everything else. Sadly JLR think the answer the everything is reskin another Disco variant or rely on a lukewarm XE/XF lineup.
"I would like a JLR SUV"
"We'll, you could have the E Pace, the F Pace, the Disco Sport, the Disco, The Velar, The RR Sport or the RR"
"Oh"
I would like an Audi SUV please"I would like a JLR SUV"
"We'll, you could have the E Pace, the F Pace, the Disco Sport, the Disco, The Velar, The RR Sport or the RR"
"Oh"
Well, you can have the Q2, Q3, Q5, Q7, Q8
I would like a VWG SUV Please
Well, you can have the T-ROC, Kodiaq, Arona, Karoq, Ateca, Tiguan, Touareg, Q23578, Benteyga, Urus, Macan, Cayenne
akadk said:
janesmith1950 said:
If JLR got 3 Series and Qashqai rivals nailed, they could be the volume sellers that underpin everything else. Sadly JLR think the answer the everything is reskin another Disco variant or rely on a lukewarm XE/XF lineup.
"I would like a JLR SUV"
"We'll, you could have the E Pace, the F Pace, the Disco Sport, the Disco, The Velar, The RR Sport or the RR"
"Oh"
I would like an Audi SUV please"I would like a JLR SUV"
"We'll, you could have the E Pace, the F Pace, the Disco Sport, the Disco, The Velar, The RR Sport or the RR"
"Oh"
Well, you can have the Q2, Q3, Q5, Q7, Q8
I would like a VWG SUV Please
Well, you can have the T-ROC, Kodiaq, Arona, Karoq, Ateca, Tiguan, Touareg, Q23578, Benteyga, Urus, Macan, Cayenne
JLR don’t make enough to justify the breadth of model offerings. Numberswise, JLR is a minnow and gets sand kicked in it’s face by those above.
You’re comparing Charles Hawtrey with Arnie Schwarznegger and Slyvester Stallone.
Edited by tigerkoi on Monday 7th January 22:03
craigjm said:
Kierkegaard said:
sapf0 said:
Some bloke I had a passing chat with today reckons there is a Landrover dealership being expanded to 47 service ramps. ??
He did work for VW.
Dealer near my hometown, getting fully redeveloped to JLR standards, have now ditched the Jaguar franchise and keeping it solely as LR. Looking at the plans, the showroom floor area is now tiny and the service floor is huge! My first thought was "that's the correct ratio!"He did work for VW.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 31st December 14:22
All I know is one week we were promised a full singing and dancing dual brand experience and now just a relatively tiny LR solo site..
gizlaroc said:
What I don't get with JLR is they are spending 100s of millions on so many new products, they are moving onto shorter lifecycles like other manufacturers, but Jaguar and more so Land Rover have been known and loved for the fact their products have such long life cycles.
IMHO they could have simply upgraded the Defender by putting in ultra modern engines and modern interiors, the new Evoque is hardly changing things a new infotainment system and digital dash with new lights would have been enough.
IMHO they could have simply upgraded the Defender by putting in ultra modern engines and modern interiors, the new Evoque is hardly changing things a new infotainment system and digital dash with new lights would have been enough.
Wills2 said:
gizlaroc said:
What I don't get with JLR is they are spending 100s of millions on so many new products, they are moving onto shorter lifecycles like other manufacturers, but Jaguar and more so Land Rover have been known and loved for the fact their products have such long life cycles.
IMHO they could have simply upgraded the Defender by putting in ultra modern engines and modern interiors, the new Evoque is hardly changing things a new infotainment system and digital dash with new lights would have been enough.
IMHO they could have simply upgraded the Defender by putting in ultra modern engines and modern interiors, the new Evoque is hardly changing things a new infotainment system and digital dash with new lights would have been enough.
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