Will Coronavirus hit used car prices?

Will Coronavirus hit used car prices?

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Vroomer

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Friday 17th April 2020
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P1H said:
Interesting read. So imagine I had to buy a used car as a cash buyer by mid June 2020 - I’m assuming the consensus is I’d be best off waiting as late as possible to see how the market reacts?

As far as I can see there are very few cars being advertised at lower prices as the impact on supply/demand haven’t yet flowed through to the market.
Because there is no market – it is in stasis. Almost nobody is buying, almost nobody is selling.

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Saturday 18th April 2020
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CRA1G said:
Autotrader has just announced to dealers it is extending the free advertising package until the end of may,so no market price adjustment expected from them...
Autotrader is simply protecting its own market place. If people had to pay to advertise with no buyers around, the site would disappear within days.

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Saturday 18th April 2020
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av185 said:
Sharp drops in new car purchases and now factory closures equals substantially reduced used cars available with a corresponding hardening of residuals especially for euro 6 compliant stock.
In the context of the collapse in GDP I find that highly unlikely.

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In the booming mid-1980s driving a flash red Porsche was rather cool. Once the recession hit in the late 1980s/early 1990s, nothing looked more idiotic than to be seen in such a car. Similar sentiments are likely to emerge now.

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Monday 20th April 2020
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JxJ Jr. said:
Unless an actual 'motor trade expert' happens to an amateur economist, epidemiologist, general business guru and global trade expert their views are about as useful as those emanating from armchairs too.
Brilliant post! clap

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Monday 20th April 2020
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Auto810graphy said:
BCA started some online auctions today of their older WeBuyAnyCar stock.

Prices for cars that sold were around CAP Average, if not below (take that as 15-20% down from normal) which in my opinion is strong money for traders to pay for cars without any mechanical reports. This sale would normally only attract hall bidders who can “touch”’what they are bidding for so strong money for buying something totally blind with no comeback.

They also seem to be selling a fair few of their Buy It Now cars so the public must still be buying some cars for dealers to need stock.
Ex lease and fleet stuff on BCA buy now is still making relatively strong money ££.

Motability grade 3 vanilla cars up to £15k selling at just behind CAP clean so all this armchair drivel about current collapsing prices is the usual internet bks by those hopeful wannabes with a vested interest lol.
Why are they buying cars they can't sell for the foreseeable future?

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Monday 20th April 2020
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av185 said:
Vroomer said:
av185 said:
Auto810graphy said:
BCA started some online auctions today of their older WeBuyAnyCar stock.

Prices for cars that sold were around CAP Average, if not below (take that as 15-20% down from normal) which in my opinion is strong money for traders to pay for cars without any mechanical reports. This sale would normally only attract hall bidders who can “touch”’what they are bidding for so strong money for buying something totally blind with no comeback.

They also seem to be selling a fair few of their Buy It Now cars so the public must still be buying some cars for dealers to need stock.
Ex lease and fleet stuff on BCA buy now is still making relatively strong money ££.

Motability grade 3 vanilla cars up to £15k selling at just behind CAP clean so all this armchair drivel about current collapsing prices is the usual internet bks by those hopeful wannabes with a vested interest lol.
Why are they buying cars they can't sell for the foreseeable future?
Why can't they sell them?

You heard of the internet?

Its a powerful thing.

You are probs on it now btw.
Why can't they sell them?

OK, they can if they find a buyer who is prepared to buy blind and have it delivered, or one who is prepared to put the NHS at risk by ignoring all social distancing/essential travel etc.

You heard of the internet? Its a powerful thing. You are probs on it now btw

A pretty good indicator that somebody knows they are losing the argument is when they offer insults, not reason.

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Monday 20th April 2020
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Autotrader now on a mind-boggling 550k cars for sale, so masses being added for free every day and virtually nothing selling.

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Tuesday 21st April 2020
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UnderSteerD said:
The DIY places are open, as are garden centres.
Many DIY places are closed, as are builders merchants other than for deliveries to essential customers.

ALL garden centres are closed. The news has been full of their pleas to re-open as stock is going to have to be thrown away at what is normally their busiest time of year.

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Tuesday 21st April 2020
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Pommy said:
The posts on here by Car Dealers seem to state;

- slight downturn but things still moving;

- when this ends the hardest thing will be supply meeting demand;

- the sub £5,10k stuff wont change much; and

- prices are still stable/reasonable at BCA/Auctions.

Am I missing something?
You can't blame them for trying to talk up the market when their livelihoods are at stake.

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Tuesday 21st April 2020
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GT72 said:
Vroomer said:
UnderSteerD said:
The DIY places are open, as are garden centres.
Many DIY places are closed, as are builders merchants other than for deliveries to essential customers.

ALL garden centres are closed. The news has been full of their pleas to re-open as stock is going to have to be thrown away at what is normally their busiest time of year.
Our village hardware store is open. (Small family owned and run)
Our village garden centre is open. (Small family owned and run)
Our 2 local B&Q’s are open (both have garden centres open)
Our local Screwfix is open
There are lots of garden centres open for internet shoppers and delivery.

All have different restrictions in place, but if you want something you can get it.
Then they are breaking the law unless they are offering garden supplies as an adjunct to something else eg food.

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Tuesday 21st April 2020
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Most modern cars are easily capable of lasting 10 years / 150,000 miles. Most people change them sooner because they want to, not because they need to.

That is likely to change for a big chunk of the population.

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Tuesday 21st April 2020
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stevemcs said:
Vroomer said:
Most modern cars are easily capable of lasting 10 years / 150,000 miles.
Not if its a VW, BMW .....
What??

There are thousands of 2010 BMWs on the road, come to that there are thousands of 2000 BMWs on the road.

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Friday 24th April 2020
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Autotrader cars for sale today:

548k of which
33k are private

Not sure why this window shopping is remaining so popular

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Friday 24th April 2020
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jimPH said:
Of course a 1M will hold its value, it's just basic supply and demand. But it just makes the M2 so much better value. I buy cars to drive, not sweat about putting miles on it, which sadly makes the 1M destined as a garage ornament.
BMW AUC site has 47 M2s from £28.5k.

Post lockdown, we'll probably see £25k cars, or lower.

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Friday 24th April 2020
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Absolutely no point in reducing prices when there is no market.

When the market reopens...

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Friday 24th April 2020
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niggtv said:
If I were a dealer with a load of cars I must admit that whilst there's so little movement I'd be reducing a few prices on stock, to at least reduce my exposure.... cutting margins slightly rather than taking hits, and getting in before any wider price shifts.
Any bank behind a dealer is going to be far happier with stock nominally worth £1m not selling rather than the same stock nominally worth £900k not selling

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Friday 24th April 2020
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Inky81 said:
jsf said:
Vroomer said:
Any bank behind a dealer is going to be far happier with stock nominally worth £1m not selling rather than the same stock nominally worth £900k not selling
Banks will liquidate at whatever price they can get, if it comes to that. That's the norm with distress selling auctions, usually seen with house default sales but equally applicable to cars.
True, if they're forced too. But they won't take action unless necessary (covenant failure etc). If the book says the stock's worth £1m and the dealer is servicing the interest they won't act. It's when the book says it's only worth £800k that they'll do something, and that'll be 6-8 weeks after lockdown.
Spot on.Exactly my point.

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Saturday 25th April 2020
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livinginasia said:
Reading the thread about the imminent collapse in used car prices that everyone seems to think is coming, but looking at cars for sale no prices are coming down.

Is it too early yet or was this all just a dream on behalf of some members ?
I don't think you could have read the thread very carefully because there have been lengthy discussions about how the market is in stasis ie nobody is selling and nobody is buying.

Zero point in cutting prices when it will make no difference.
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