Nobody wants big engined petrols for trade-in.
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I have just bought a beemer V8, as it before 2001 it wins on road tax, still £208 or so whatever, low insurance re age/history and all depreciation now gone, this is the youngest car I have ever owned. Rest are on all on a bulk classic car policy and 1/2 yearly road fund, I stagger the SORN dates so there are always two on the road at any one time plus one tax emept via age.
No problem re petrol costs as I look at the total package costs and prefer these older vehicles as more interesting.
No problem re petrol costs as I look at the total package costs and prefer these older vehicles as more interesting.
loose cannon said:
to put it into context my mother drives a clio dci she got it newin 06 it costs £20 to tax and she only fill's it up once a month it does 58 mpg+ group 5 insurance[/footnote]
The worst thing about that is that a 150cc motorbike doing 100mpg gets taxed at £33 per year..in 2001 i drove a Volvo V70 Sport 2.5 if i remember it was 235bhp?? not sure now a long time ago. it was doing about 25mpg on a steady run on the motorway. and in town i was lucky to get 16mpg. real nice to drive and plenty of power.
just before xmas 2001 i had an offer to borrow a Passat 1.9tdi 130bhp for a weekend from a local dealer. i did 500miles in 2 days on the same tank approx 53mpg overall. gave the bloke an order monday morning when he collected the loan car.
since then i have had 3 more passats, currently i have a B6 estate 2.0tdi 140bhp it is a big heavy car but it is by far the most economical yet. over the last month 1490miles 55.3mpg... but it is now FOR SALE to make room for the new one which from all accounts more economical?? the adverts say 1000miles on a tank. have done 900+ with this one so we will see.
so performance is not what a lot of people would call fast but 0-60 in about 9.5 is not bad for a 2 tonner...
just before xmas 2001 i had an offer to borrow a Passat 1.9tdi 130bhp for a weekend from a local dealer. i did 500miles in 2 days on the same tank approx 53mpg overall. gave the bloke an order monday morning when he collected the loan car.
since then i have had 3 more passats, currently i have a B6 estate 2.0tdi 140bhp it is a big heavy car but it is by far the most economical yet. over the last month 1490miles 55.3mpg... but it is now FOR SALE to make room for the new one which from all accounts more economical?? the adverts say 1000miles on a tank. have done 900+ with this one so we will see.
so performance is not what a lot of people would call fast but 0-60 in about 9.5 is not bad for a 2 tonner...
Diesel is expensive (more than petrol) and we also have refinery and supply issues coming up fast, I suspect a small petrol would be much more economical TBH.
In fact 5th Gear did a test with a Suzuki Splash and the petrol one was _miles_ more economical that the diesel, and far better to drive.
In fact 5th Gear did a test with a Suzuki Splash and the petrol one was _miles_ more economical that the diesel, and far better to drive.
The trade hates big engined petrols (or at least those that love them will tell you they hate them whilst sucking through their teeth...)
But PH classifieds loves them! I've bought and sold some lumpy stuff private through PH with ease. As long as the car is priced well and the ad marks you out as someone who is capable taking some proper photos and writing some text with useful info in it, IME a nice chap will turn up, we'll have a chat and a bit of polite haggling over a brew and the deal is done.
But PH classifieds loves them! I've bought and sold some lumpy stuff private through PH with ease. As long as the car is priced well and the ad marks you out as someone who is capable taking some proper photos and writing some text with useful info in it, IME a nice chap will turn up, we'll have a chat and a bit of polite haggling over a brew and the deal is done.
Im surprised that the tax thing has such an impact in the UK because comparitively speaking its not that expensive.
Yes, the fuel is still eye wateringly excessive in price, but the enjoyment in comparison to rattling round in some reconstituted s
t box surely would sway the more learned buyer.
Where I am, owing anything that has either horse power or cubic capacity is punishable by a massive circulation tax per year (to the tune of 1000's of euro) which does indeed wipe out the depreciation argument.
Those of you fortunate enough to have a few quid, live in the UK - and still have an appreciation of decent engineering should fill ya boots and enjoy!
Yes, the fuel is still eye wateringly excessive in price, but the enjoyment in comparison to rattling round in some reconstituted s
t box surely would sway the more learned buyer. Where I am, owing anything that has either horse power or cubic capacity is punishable by a massive circulation tax per year (to the tune of 1000's of euro) which does indeed wipe out the depreciation argument.
Those of you fortunate enough to have a few quid, live in the UK - and still have an appreciation of decent engineering should fill ya boots and enjoy!
Matt UK said:
The trade hates big engined petrols
I hope this is reflected in the available discounts off sticker price of large engined petrol cars from dealers, then. I do 5000 miles a year so hope to save easily the additional fuel cost of the years price increases off the ticket price...It's been going on for a few years now.
I bought our 2.3 petrol auto Galaxy as an unwanted ex demo in early 07. Both I and the dealer knew that everyone wanted the 1.9TDi (even in base spec) so I feel I paid a very good price for a top spec car with some nice options at the time. The fact that I knew the car was only going to be doing 5k pa as a family wagon worked in my favour, although many others would have baulked at 22 mpg irregardless. At the time I was also looking at an equivalent Sharan 2.8 V6 Carat auto that a VW dealer couldn't shift. I opted for the Ford based on potential parts/servicing cost.
My 2.0T Vectra is now only worth about 1k according to the Glasses' valuation on the Vauxhall website. I've had the car for seven years now and would like a change but I'm not prepared to accept peanuts for it, so will have to run it until it becomes uneconomical to repair.
Fact is though - it's still fast, comfortable and has been well serviced so why change anyway. If pushed to make a choice of replacement I'm already thinking pre 06 plate Jaguar S Type 2.5 or 3.0 - if the price/mileage/SH is right.
I bought our 2.3 petrol auto Galaxy as an unwanted ex demo in early 07. Both I and the dealer knew that everyone wanted the 1.9TDi (even in base spec) so I feel I paid a very good price for a top spec car with some nice options at the time. The fact that I knew the car was only going to be doing 5k pa as a family wagon worked in my favour, although many others would have baulked at 22 mpg irregardless. At the time I was also looking at an equivalent Sharan 2.8 V6 Carat auto that a VW dealer couldn't shift. I opted for the Ford based on potential parts/servicing cost.
My 2.0T Vectra is now only worth about 1k according to the Glasses' valuation on the Vauxhall website. I've had the car for seven years now and would like a change but I'm not prepared to accept peanuts for it, so will have to run it until it becomes uneconomical to repair.
Fact is though - it's still fast, comfortable and has been well serviced so why change anyway. If pushed to make a choice of replacement I'm already thinking pre 06 plate Jaguar S Type 2.5 or 3.0 - if the price/mileage/SH is right.
Even if you can cope with the rattle, soot and vibration the main issue is so many diesels seem to get really big bills as they nudge past the 100K mark.
A turbo is at least a grand, injectors around £500 a go while a dual mass flywheel somewhere in between.
Any BMW owners out there just need to google "swirl flag". A friend just had one go and the BMW dealer reckoned on about £7K to fix the damage.
Another friend had the flywheel go on his Mondeo at £800, another needed a couple of grands worth of injectors.
My brother was told a new clutch on his Modus would be £1200. He traded it for an XJ6 petrol...
A few years ago diesels were reliable but with the compexity brought about by modern emissions regulations I think diesels are best avoided. Besides, diesels smell and make a horrible noise.
A turbo is at least a grand, injectors around £500 a go while a dual mass flywheel somewhere in between.
Any BMW owners out there just need to google "swirl flag". A friend just had one go and the BMW dealer reckoned on about £7K to fix the damage.
Another friend had the flywheel go on his Mondeo at £800, another needed a couple of grands worth of injectors.
My brother was told a new clutch on his Modus would be £1200. He traded it for an XJ6 petrol...
A few years ago diesels were reliable but with the compexity brought about by modern emissions regulations I think diesels are best avoided. Besides, diesels smell and make a horrible noise.
Wills2 said:
The majority of people don't want petrol engined cars anymore.
That may well be true, but over the last couple of years all the hire cars I've had (2 or 3 a month through work) have been petrol insignias or mondeos - prior to that, everything was diesel. The hire companies have complex models with regard to finance, so it's highly unlikely they are buying petrols if they will make a loss on resale relative to diesels.In terms of private sales, I think one of the problems is that when buying something that is 20K, an extra 2K (or whatever) for a diesel version of the same car 'feels' like a very small proportion of overall cost, while an extra tenner or so a week for the duration of ownership for 'extra' cost of petrol over diesel feels like a lot more.
ChevronB19 said:
Wills2 said:
The majority of people don't want petrol engined cars anymore.
That may well be true, but over the last couple of years all the hire cars I've had (2 or 3 a month through work) have been petrol insignias or mondeos - prior to that, everything was diesel. The hire companies have complex models with regard to finance, so it's highly unlikely they are buying petrols if they will make a loss on resale relative to diesels.In terms of private sales, I think one of the problems is that when buying something that is 20K, an extra 2K (or whatever) for a diesel version of the same car 'feels' like a very small proportion of overall cost, while an extra tenner or so a week for the duration of ownership for 'extra' cost of petrol over diesel feels like a lot more.
Now my mileage has dropped substantially so the financial model changes.
Two thousand extra would take 4 years at £10 per week. That's before taking into account the risk of a massive bill on the diesel which could wipe out several years worth of savings.
Just not worth it.
Fox- said:
Matt UK said:
The trade hates big engined petrols
I hope this is reflected in the available discounts off sticker price of large engined petrol cars from dealers, then. I do 5000 miles a year so hope to save easily the additional fuel cost of the years price increases off the ticket price...I just bought my Petrol A3 and everybody thought I was totally mad, acting like Diesel was the nxt best thing to sliced bread! I got the petrol A3 at a significantly lower price as nobody seems to want petrols which is a shame...its a fantastic engine. Yes it might have cost me £180 in road tax but I dont care...no way could have I lived with myself for getting a diesel.
CDP said:
Even if you can cope with the rattle, soot and vibration the main issue is so many diesels seem to get really big bills as they nudge past the 100K mark.
A turbo is at least a grand, injectors around £500 a go while a dual mass flywheel somewhere in between.
Any BMW owners out there just need to google "swirl flap". A friend just had one go and the BMW dealer reckoned on about £7K to fix the damage.
True and the basis on which people choose diesels results in them clocking up far more miles a year than petrol cars, just because of the way people self-select their cars. 100k is quite common in 4-6 years old diesels, whereas you rarely see it on petrols under 8 years old, often not till after 10 yrs. So, for their age, diesels tend to imply higher maintenance costs. And they are still dearer to buy. Yes, there is some justification for being more expensive, but it's getting ridiculous.A turbo is at least a grand, injectors around £500 a go while a dual mass flywheel somewhere in between.
Any BMW owners out there just need to google "swirl flap". A friend just had one go and the BMW dealer reckoned on about £7K to fix the damage.
You really have to be doing a LOT of miles for it make sense.
Edited by a_bread on Saturday 4th June 01:21
It has ever been thus.
The same (stupid) people who today want to trade in their 3yr old, worthless stboxes [because the tax was £100 and the extra-urban milage claim 'only' 50mpg - ignoring the fact they hover over the brake pedal everywhere, so it never actually turned-in over 35 or so...]
<...breathe...>
...these same functional idiots will spring instead for this years '60mpg' ' £35tax' gutless stbox [which they will treat just the same and now only get 33mpg from, because it is heavier] - and lose about £3-4k/yr owned into the bargain. ' Oh but its cheap to run'
<howl>
Those people - all of them - will *never* get it. F*ck 'em: they keep the manufacturers in business, that's all.
Meanwhile the rest of us enjoy big V8s , and pay for what we use nett. No depreciation, engage D, floor it and let the aircon run. And on a rather more careful reckoning than the above - it still proves considerably cheaper /mile overall than running the latest/greatest stbox. Enjoy and be smug 
The same (stupid) people who today want to trade in their 3yr old, worthless s
tboxes [because the tax was £100 and the extra-urban milage claim 'only' 50mpg - ignoring the fact they hover over the brake pedal everywhere, so it never actually turned-in over 35 or so...]<...breathe...>
...these same functional idiots will spring instead for this years '60mpg' ' £35tax' gutless s
tbox [which they will treat just the same and now only get 33mpg from, because it is heavier] - and lose about £3-4k/yr owned into the bargain. ' Oh but its cheap to run' <howl>
Those people - all of them - will *never* get it. F*ck 'em: they keep the manufacturers in business, that's all.
Meanwhile the rest of us enjoy big V8s , and pay for what we use nett. No depreciation, engage D, floor it and let the aircon run. And on a rather more careful reckoning than the above - it still proves considerably cheaper /mile overall than running the latest/greatest s
tbox. Enjoy and be smug CDP said:
Even if you can cope with the rattle, soot and vibration the main issue is so many diesels seem to get really big bills as they nudge past the 100K mark.
A turbo is at least a grand, injectors around £500 a go while a dual mass flywheel somewhere in between.
Any BMW owners out there just need to google "swirl flag". A friend just had one go and the BMW dealer reckoned on about £7K to fix the damage.
Another friend had the flywheel go on his Mondeo at £800, another needed a couple of grands worth of injectors.
My brother was told a new clutch on his Modus would be £1200. He traded it for an XJ6 petrol...
A few years ago diesels were reliable but with the compexity brought about by modern emissions regulations I think diesels are best avoided. Besides, diesels smell and make a horrible noise.
.A turbo is at least a grand, injectors around £500 a go while a dual mass flywheel somewhere in between.
Any BMW owners out there just need to google "swirl flag". A friend just had one go and the BMW dealer reckoned on about £7K to fix the damage.
Another friend had the flywheel go on his Mondeo at £800, another needed a couple of grands worth of injectors.
My brother was told a new clutch on his Modus would be £1200. He traded it for an XJ6 petrol...
A few years ago diesels were reliable but with the compexity brought about by modern emissions regulations I think diesels are best avoided. Besides, diesels smell and make a horrible noise.
Really ? Thats very expensive, and they say Toyo parts are not cheap.
Thats why I would never buy a BMW.
Toyota reliability all the way.
My Toyo has 226xxx miles, yes it just needed new alternator at 205xxx, so I will keep the Toyo thank you.
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