RE: UK-Spec Chevy Camaro Pricing Announced
Discussion
Hellbound said:
The ZL1 is going to priced under $47k and it'll hit 60 in under 4 secs.
If enough of you put down deposits for the SS, maybe they'll take orders for the ZL1 later on down the line. Sub £45k RRP would be nice too!
Put that through the duty calculator and it's a pretty damned reasonabl £39,914 plus your SVA, tax, conversion.If enough of you put down deposits for the SS, maybe they'll take orders for the ZL1 later on down the line. Sub £45k RRP would be nice too!
Bernie_78 said:
Had one as a hire car in the US last year, was pleasently surprised as handleed fairly well and the gearbox was quite good for a manual/auto US built car. Only downsiade, boot is proper poo, couldn't get my suitcase through the opening and V6 struggled to brake traction in the dry.
I tried that and you are right, no ammount of abuse could really elicit more than a chirp, but if you wind soem lock on they will do some really nice lines on the tarmac, for an example of my work check out the top car park of the Atlanta Nortlake mall 
Hellbound said:
LuS1fer said:
Bernie_78 said:
Had one as a hire car in the US last year, was pleasently surprised as handleed fairly well and the gearbox was quite good for a manual/auto US built car. Only downsiade, boot is proper poo, couldn't get my suitcase through the opening and V6 struggled to brake traction in the dry.
Should have hired a Mustang then - bigger boot, same power, much lighter - and why exactly would you want to break traction in the dry? 
US opinion here. I agree if they are offering something for sale in a particular country via a dealer network yes they should spec it to that country. I can tell you the car looks way cooler in person than in pics, sounds great too. Also they should have offer the base model as 306 HP is no slouch either and with your gas taxation it may have gone over well. The tooling costs were probably deemed too much for a small handful of countries that are LHD also it is a sales leader here even in this economy but they could have passed the cost along I guess redoing the dash etc and requisite tooling was deemed unattractive. It will do great in Australia. also while I am also a fan of our GTO/holden monaro/vauxhall V-8 whatever it had the performance chops and was stealthy but I suppose it didn't appeal to the sensibilities that say "Hey look at me!" or simply have that wow factor and was killed off in the US to compare it to the camaro is silly the Challenger or Mustang. I'd pick the Challnger out of the three though
Just a heads up for those moaning about lack of RHD - in short NO NO NO you really don't want one.
And here's why.
For GM to sell even a LHD model like this in the UK it has to go through EUROPEAN type approval. GM did this with the 4th Generation Camaro back in 1998. So despite still being LHD and having kmh speedo's they were fully type approved.
But this means there were lots of tiny changes:
-rear bumper is different
-additional rear foglights
-different front numberplate plinth
-different door mirrors
-different hazard switch
-'E' marked glass and lamps
And a host of other changes.
Now fast forward a couple of years and you can buy NONE of these unique Euro spec bits. GM (and Vauxhall) just couldn't give a chuff and don't want to know. And the bits you can buy are horrendously over priced, e.g. a £35-45 mirror will actually set you back £280 quid!
To make a RHD variant for the UK only market would require even more bespoke parts. Parts that in a few years time will be rarer than anything.
I for one not only don't want RHD, but I wouldn't - not at all even for one second consider buying even a LHD Euro model. I'd much rather import one myself or get a company to do it. That way at least I know I'll be able to buy parts for it!
- Current 4th Generation Euro Spec Camaro owner, that needs 1 x door mirror and 1 x rear fog light. Parts not attainable.
And here's why.
For GM to sell even a LHD model like this in the UK it has to go through EUROPEAN type approval. GM did this with the 4th Generation Camaro back in 1998. So despite still being LHD and having kmh speedo's they were fully type approved.
But this means there were lots of tiny changes:
-rear bumper is different
-additional rear foglights
-different front numberplate plinth
-different door mirrors
-different hazard switch
-'E' marked glass and lamps
And a host of other changes.
Now fast forward a couple of years and you can buy NONE of these unique Euro spec bits. GM (and Vauxhall) just couldn't give a chuff and don't want to know. And the bits you can buy are horrendously over priced, e.g. a £35-45 mirror will actually set you back £280 quid!
To make a RHD variant for the UK only market would require even more bespoke parts. Parts that in a few years time will be rarer than anything.
I for one not only don't want RHD, but I wouldn't - not at all even for one second consider buying even a LHD Euro model. I'd much rather import one myself or get a company to do it. That way at least I know I'll be able to buy parts for it!
- Current 4th Generation Euro Spec Camaro owner, that needs 1 x door mirror and 1 x rear fog light. Parts not attainable.
Wow, there are plenty of LHD haters here aren't there?
It's odd for PH given that some of the most iconic cars in the world are LHD only. Still, each to their own.
Personally, having owned several (911s, DeLoreans being some good examples), you get over it pretty quickly. Would it be nice to have a RHD model? Yeah, it would, but the total number of expected sales were so low, GM had to can the idea (and that went for Australia and Japan too).
It's odd for PH given that some of the most iconic cars in the world are LHD only. Still, each to their own.
Personally, having owned several (911s, DeLoreans being some good examples), you get over it pretty quickly. Would it be nice to have a RHD model? Yeah, it would, but the total number of expected sales were so low, GM had to can the idea (and that went for Australia and Japan too).
uk89camaro said:
I think the Aussies have a legal requirement to be RHD, and I expect each owner has to pay for a conversion, rather than it being a factory option.
LHD never stopped the Mustang being very popular over here.
Australia cars need to be RHD indeed, and I've rad on the US "Camaro5" forum that their conversions can cost op tu 40,000$... Auch !!!LHD never stopped the Mustang being very popular over here.
Motorrad said:
Guvernator said:
That is a very good price for that spec car, however as others have mentioned, not making them RHD will mean they will only sell about 5, shame really.
Yes a shame people don't prefer their cars as they were originally designed. RHD factory conversions are nothing more than bodge jobs anyway IMO.re: lhd on UK roads, it's a non issue assuming you drive properly (or use an overtaking mirror if you feel the need) and are able to articulate your body to reach over for tolls etc....
Edited by Motorrad on Friday 1st July 13:17
Hellbound said:
The ZL1 is going to priced under $47k and it'll hit 60 in under 4 secs.
If enough of you put down deposits for the SS, maybe they'll take orders for the ZL1 later on down the line. Sub £45k RRP would be nice too!
Pure speculation that price, it's nowhere near confirmed what the price will be.If enough of you put down deposits for the SS, maybe they'll take orders for the ZL1 later on down the line. Sub £45k RRP would be nice too!
PaulFontaine said:
The tooling costs were probably deemed too much for a small handful of countries that are LHD also it is a sales leader here even in this economy but they could have passed the cost along I guess redoing the dash etc and requisite tooling was deemed unattractive.
AhemAlderney (UK)
Anguilla (UK)
Antigua and Barbuda
Australia - Australasia
Bahamas - Caribbean
Bangladesh - South West Asia
Barbados - Caribbean
Bermuda (UK) - Caribbean
Bhutan - South West Asia
Botswana - Southern Africa
Brunei - South East Asia
Cayman Islands (UK)
Christmas Island (Australia)
Cocos (Keeling) Islands (Australia)
Cook Islands (New Zealand)
Cyprus - Europe
Dominica - Caribbean
East Timor - South East Asia
Falkland Islands (UK)
Fiji - Pacific
Grenada - Caribbean
Guernsey (UK)
Guyana - South America
Hong Kong - East Asia
India - South West Asia Indonesia - South East Asia
Ireland - Europe
Isle of Man (UK) - Europe
Jamaica - Caribbean
Japan (Okinawa used not to)
Jersey (UK) - Europe
Kenya - East Africa
Kiribati
Lesotho - Southern Africa
Macau
Malawi - East Africa
Malaysia - South East Asia
Maldives - South West Asia
Malta
Mauritius - African coast
Montserrat (UK)
Mozambique - Southern Africa
Namibia (1918) - Southern Africa
Nauru (1918)
Nepal - South West Asia
New Zealand - Australasia
Niue (New Zealand)
Norfolk Island (Australia)
Pakistan - South West Asia
Papua New Guinea - South East Asia Pitcairn Islands (UK)
Saint Helena (UK)
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Seychelles - African coast
Singapore - South East Asia
Solomon Islands
South Africa - Southern Africa
Sri Lanka
Suriname - South America
Swaziland - Southern Africa
Tanzania - East Africa
Thailand - South East Asia
Tokelau (New Zealand)
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago - Caribbean
Turks and Caicos Islands (UK)
Tuvalu
Uganda - East Africa
United Kingdom - Europe
British Virgin Islands (UK)
US Virgin Is. (unlike rest of US)
Zambia - East Africa
Zimbabwe - Southern Africa
Just chosing the UK, Australia, Hong Kong, Japan and New Zealand gives you a target market on 221 million people.
Thats 3/4 of the US population which is the trad market for these cars.
Don't underestimate how many of us drive on the correct side of the road.
Cazzer just to annoy you I have put a list together of the places that are RHD.
The rest of the world.
Anyway I find that it is quaint that you included all those little islands but you are simply not looking at it from a manufacturers viewpoint these are not their volume sellers whatsoever. They will probably sell a few thousand in each of the major RHD markets. I have no doubt that they will sell more in a big state like FLA, IL, or NY in the USA then the RHD world combined. Market forces are different as well as social and cultural influences. What is par for course in one place would be laughable in another. I am sure they will do a proper conversion should the maket justify it. Hey there are many cars that you have that I would gladly buy in RHD configuration were they available in the US.
That being said the road is the road if you're a good driver it won't matter which "side" you're on
The rest of the world.
Anyway I find that it is quaint that you included all those little islands but you are simply not looking at it from a manufacturers viewpoint these are not their volume sellers whatsoever. They will probably sell a few thousand in each of the major RHD markets. I have no doubt that they will sell more in a big state like FLA, IL, or NY in the USA then the RHD world combined. Market forces are different as well as social and cultural influences. What is par for course in one place would be laughable in another. I am sure they will do a proper conversion should the maket justify it. Hey there are many cars that you have that I would gladly buy in RHD configuration were they available in the US.
That being said the road is the road if you're a good driver it won't matter which "side" you're on
alexpa said:
Never trust the list price of a muscle car in America. With a few options, you can go well above $40,000. Not to mention dealer "premiums" for an in-demand car. I remember looking at a Mustang GT500 when they first came out in 2007. List price was something like $39,995. Well, with the options the car had, it was more like $47,500- still not too bad for a 500bhp car, but wait, on top of that was a $40,000 un-specified fee called something like "specialty car premium", bringing the total cost to a whopping price of nigh-on $90,000!!! For a Mustang!!
As far as the LHD issue, companies such as MG and Triumph sold thousands of RHD cars in America with no issue. I've never heard a complaint from a British car owner here that the steering wheel being on the "wrong" side caused any issue with driving. Why does it seem like such a big issue for UK drivers?
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