RE: Diesel-Electric Evo XI Confirmed
Discussion
AFSolutions said:
I don't really want them to make a diesel Evo either. I do however believe that Mitsubishi know their s
t and they could even re-write the rules with this one. I think it's going to be one of the cars that will surprise us all. I mean when was the last time Mitsubishi made a bad Evo? Exactly.
You are right, it could do! I just find it hard to imagine a evo that doesn't pop bang and crackle when flying down a b road.t and they could even re-write the rules with this one. I think it's going to be one of the cars that will surprise us all. I mean when was the last time Mitsubishi made a bad Evo? Exactly.Twincam16 said:
what's driving the development? Customer service questionnaires?
Totally agree with that. Although it seems strange to combine a diesel and electric motor (especially from a Japanese manufacturer), perhaps they are about to break the ground on a rich seam of new performance possibilities.
I don't know if it is possible to exploit the WRC rulebook by going diesel/electric, but if there is, then perhaps people won't be laughing/crying (delete as applicable) any more at the idea. Hybrid is a power-adding system that is extremely flexible. Diesel is a very energy-dense fuel. The possibilities are there for sure...
Edited by Mr Gear on Thursday 20th October 10:31
feef said:
That could be classed as a diesel electric, as the gas turbine it uses will run on almost anything, and they were using diesel for testing.
That would be brilliant. Mitsubishi make a lot of gas turbines so it would sort of make sense if they were the first car company to push a mass market diesel turbine car. I think it's fairly unlikely but I'd love to see it.Motorrad said:
cookie1600 said:
It's like saying Smirnoff is going to change all of their bottles to plastic, but you will still get p!55ed on it.
and therein lies the problem.........it isn't about getting 'pissed' or going 'fast' it's how you get there. I wouldn't expect the lumpen masses to understand that but this is PH.Edited by cookie1600 on Wednesday 19th October 15:49
Given several pints of 'Stella' or a bottle of Westlveteren I'd obviously choose the trappist speciality. However I have the feeling the plastic smirnoff brigade would prefer to feel the width and not the quality..............for shame.
Exactly, there are plenty of fast cars around, it's more about the fun factor (especially in the age of the speed camera). The comparison between Diesel Audi and Petrol Mitsubushi earlier was just on performance, fun is a very important consideration!
doogz said:
Really? You can drive that, and tell it doesn't have 270bhp, it's more like 285bhp?
Impressive stuff.
Yes. Because it feels faster than a 3MPS, and I've driven those on numerous occasions, and only slightly slower than my STI 330S. It certainly didn't feel any slower than a stock STI or FQ300 and most track tests between the three would seem to back that up. Would you like to carry on being an keyboard warrior and general smart ass, or contribute something to the debate?Impressive stuff.
Ali_T said:
doogz said:
Really? You can drive that, and tell it doesn't have 270bhp, it's more like 285bhp?
Impressive stuff.
Yes. Because it feels faster than a 3MPS, and I've driven those on numerous occasions, and only slightly slower than my STI 330S. It certainly didn't feel any slower than a stock STI or FQ300 and most track tests between the three would seem to back that up. Would you like to carry on being an keyboard warrior and general smart ass, or contribute something to the debate?Impressive stuff.
Ved said:
3 years time I'll let you know, mate! How's your 4 pot behaving now? Update the STI thread if you've anything to add but I hope it's all sorted now.
Well, the power is back but there is still more hesitation in the mid range than seems healthy and it does a very peculiar drivetrain vibration on warm start up, just for a few seconds. I'm guessing they've either buggered an engine mount while swapping over, or there's still something awry. Given that they used the same heads that they'd thrashed the crap out of the previous week when the engine had bits of ringland flying around loose, it wouldn't surprise me that they've managed to damage more than they're letting on, or that the head on that cylinder is coked up to buggery and they didn't clean it properly before putting it back together. Either way I'm seriously thinking of ordering the Golf R at the end of the year, so it arrives for the '12 regs and the end of my Subaru warranty. A 3 door manual in rising blue with 19s and just the Dynaudio and ACC upgrades seems to fit the bill. Might have to go 5 door if the missus gets her way, but none of that DSG nonsense....Ali_T said:
Yes. Because it feels faster than a 3MPS, and I've driven those on numerous occasions, and only slightly slower than my STI 330S. It certainly didn't feel any slower than a stock STI or FQ300 and most track tests between the three would seem to back that up. Would you like to carry on being an keyboard warrior and general smart ass, or contribute something to the debate?
Calm down dear, I think it was a valid question. Its not easy to "feel" them amounts of difference in power. In fact, the human body is pretty useless at "feeling" acceleration, but can feel change in acceleration, which is why turbo diesels often feel quick because their power comes in a big lump. Ali_T said:
It might be a valid question, but it was asked in an arsey and sarcastic manner, hence the reply. I stand by my feeling that VW are downplaying the Golf's bhp figure. It seems backed up by people running around 230-240bhp at the wheels on dynos. A stock STI runs the same.
Not disagreeing, quite often figures are higher 
. Give the Golf R a good test though, as the AWD system isnt on the same level as the ones in the Mitsubishi Evo and the Subaru Impreza. Ive not tried the Haldex system in the Golf R, but the older system in the Golf R32 and Audi S3/TT wasnt great and felt more FWD. Evo Magazine said similar when testing the golf R, Evo and Impreza in a group test.Does have me wondering whether they are planning a re-entry to the WRC and see a loop-hole in the regs as Mr Gear said.
As we have seen, this has worked for the Le-Mans brigade, wonder if there is a similar offing for Rallying?
(I could be wrong, and this may just be an interesting marketing based decision :-) )
As we have seen, this has worked for the Le-Mans brigade, wonder if there is a similar offing for Rallying?
(I could be wrong, and this may just be an interesting marketing based decision :-) )
They should still make it, but it should never be called an Evo. Because they are dead and gone, and long may we remember how amazing they were, much like the old Imprezas. But some crappy diesel hybrid attempt at a performance car is better than Mitsubishi doing nothing, I suppose.
How the mighty have fallen, the whole world over. In the 90's and early 2000's, Japan were untouchable. Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Subaru, Nissan and Mitsubishi changed the face of performance motoring, making affordable performance cars that were demolishing the competition from around the world. It's sad to see what they've become now. The best idea the best automotive engineers in the world can come up with is a diesel hybrid, clinging onto the glory of a long dead rally car?
How the mighty have fallen, the whole world over. In the 90's and early 2000's, Japan were untouchable. Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Subaru, Nissan and Mitsubishi changed the face of performance motoring, making affordable performance cars that were demolishing the competition from around the world. It's sad to see what they've become now. The best idea the best automotive engineers in the world can come up with is a diesel hybrid, clinging onto the glory of a long dead rally car?
Baryonyx said:
It's sad to see what they've become now. The best idea the best automotive engineers in the world can come up with is a diesel hybrid, clinging onto the glory of a long dead rally car?
As Japanese manufacturers have alsmot always based their designs on European ones, we have to cut them some slack for their simply following the global trend launched by others - the cancer of diesel on private cars emerged from Europe.The fact that diesel is simply prohibited in Japan's main cities (good on them for banning this s
t) supports the possibility they will be doing this car only for export markets.Thom said:
Baryonyx said:
It's sad to see what they've become now. The best idea the best automotive engineers in the world can come up with is a diesel hybrid, clinging onto the glory of a long dead rally car?
As Japanese manufacturers have alsmot always based their designs on European ones, we have to cut them some slack for their simply following the global trend launched by others - the cancer of diesel on private cars emerged from Europe.The fact that diesel is simply prohibited in Japan's main cities (good on them for banning this s
t) supports the possibility they will be doing this car only for export markets.Not that I like to quote Clarkson, but this seems fitting:
We may not like the change, but we either embrace the future of performance alternative-fuel vehicles, or get left behind.
Clarkson said:
We are an endangered species, you and I. We lovers of speed. We devotees of power, performance and noise.
“Go away”, we are told, “and take your carbon-fibre and your fire-spitting V12s with you”.
There’s hardly a place out here for us anymore, not amongst all the commuters and congestion. Not in this growing age of safety and restraint, where practicality trumps adrenalin. Where the ratio of miles to the gallon is championed over horsepower to the weight.
The evidence is everywhere. You and I are being squeezed out, pushed aside and hunted down at every hairpin turn.
Welcome to the future of motoring.“Go away”, we are told, “and take your carbon-fibre and your fire-spitting V12s with you”.
There’s hardly a place out here for us anymore, not amongst all the commuters and congestion. Not in this growing age of safety and restraint, where practicality trumps adrenalin. Where the ratio of miles to the gallon is championed over horsepower to the weight.
The evidence is everywhere. You and I are being squeezed out, pushed aside and hunted down at every hairpin turn.
We may not like the change, but we either embrace the future of performance alternative-fuel vehicles, or get left behind.
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