RE: Toyota GT 86: £24,995
Discussion
Polrules said:
LuS1fer said:
What are the relative VED rates and servicing costs for the Toybaru and 370Z though?
Fair point on the servicing - don't know what the Toyota will be but when I had my 350Z it cost less than £200 for a service at Nissan. Difference in VED will be around £200 annually - or 2 tanks of fuel. Not really enough to put me off a car at this price.That said, I'd still never buy a diesel for cheap VED if that were the only alternative.
Polrules said:
Fittster said:
Can you explain why you are comparing the Toyota with a car with a purchase price that is 20% higher?
By the time you've added a few options I imagine you'll be very close to the price you would have to pay to get into a 370Z. Let's face it - Nissan dealers are not exactly beating punters off with a stick, at first glance it's 20% more expensive but I'd argue it's more than 20% better. The reason why Nissan have been forced to discount is largely because of the running costs of the 370Z. The Nissan has a large engine, in a heavier car which means it's likely to use more fuel and will attract a greater tax bill. We don't live in a world where people on moderate incomes are willing to tolerate high running costs.
The Toyota is designed to offer a reasonable attractive driving package (low weight, rwd layout) with acceptable running costs (2.0 engine). Sure there are plenty of ways of going faster than a diesel Audi A5s but it's relatively difficult to think of another new car that offers the promise of driving pleasure thae Toyota does. The alternatives are either FWD hatchbacks of more expensive/higher running costs coupes of which the 370Z is one.
Toyota has aimed for a sweet spot in the market (which lots of PHers have been calling for) and I think they have pretty much hit it.
ED209 said:
My main concern was practicality but i didnt think i could spell it so missed it off my original post. The toyota will suffer the same fate.
Fair enough 
But by 'same fate' you think this car will sell as poorly as the 370Z? It's a very different car, I'd say - a lot cheaper to buy and run (esp. to run as a company car), +2 seats, less ugly, the latest kid on the block, lighter on its feet, younger image, ready to be 'modded' etc.
Krikkit said:
Lusifer that's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Not getting a significantly better car for £200/year is mad.
You've driven both to know that one is better then?Not getting a significantly better car for £200/year is mad.
Just because something has a bigger engine and more power doesn't automatically qualify it for better status.
My 370z cost £164 for its service at the Nissan high performance dealership.
If your on motorway you'll EASILY get over 30mpg if not more.
Tax out the showroom is over £700 but that's one off. After that it's £400 per year.
Tootling around town and blasting through country roads and the mpg will be in the teens, but I don't give a s
t because it sounds like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAaZ-4Uq570&fea...
This Toyota is nice but different market for sure
If your on motorway you'll EASILY get over 30mpg if not more.
Tax out the showroom is over £700 but that's one off. After that it's £400 per year.
Tootling around town and blasting through country roads and the mpg will be in the teens, but I don't give a s
t because it sounds like thishttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAaZ-4Uq570&fea...
This Toyota is nice but different market for sure
Harris328i said:
Hmm. Any idea on the JDM price out of curiosity?
From 1,990,000yen (1,990,000.00 JPY = 16,488.22 GBP)http://toyota.jp/86/001_p_001/grade/index.html
No idea how much (if any) Sales tax that includes. IIRC you have to add 10% EU duty to that price then 20% UK VAT, so maybe not that much cheaper there.
I remember when i first started using the internet back around 1998 comparing rip off Britain prices with other countries. Back then a new Lexus RX300 cost £30k in the UK £20k in the US ($30k) and £10k in Japan! Pound a lot weaker now (and Lexus were branded as Toyota in Japan and the RX marketed as a MPV rather than a SUV in its domestic market) . But generally the Japan price was usually 1/2 of the UK price.
otolith said:
PHer's ideas on what cars should cost and what constitutes value never cease to amaze me. Quite bizarre.
No new car should ever cost more than a faster second-hand car.No second hand car should ever cost more than what they consider to be the going price.
No one should buy a new car if the poster would not entertain buying it themselves.........
s m said:
No new car should ever cost more than a faster second-hand car.
No second hand car should ever cost more than what they consider to be the going price.
No one should buy a new car if the poster would not entertain buying it themselves.........
I think that applies to the internet in many forms. No second hand car should ever cost more than what they consider to be the going price.
No one should buy a new car if the poster would not entertain buying it themselves.........
I can't afford a GT86, if I could I'd probably buy something else because I'd want that something else more.
But it doesn't seem expensive when compared to the list prices of things like a Focus, Golf, Astra etc that doesn't have sporting pretensions.
Chrisw666 said:
Krikkit said:
Lusifer that's cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Not getting a significantly better car for £200/year is mad.
You've driven both to know that one is better then?Not getting a significantly better car for £200/year is mad.
Just because something has a bigger engine and more power doesn't automatically qualify it for better status.
Just to make my opinions clear: The Toyobaru sounds like one of the most interesting mainstream cars to come along for years; I think it'll probably be worth the £25k asking price, and certainly be a good used buy once the dealer tax has been wiped off. I'm certainly looking forward to testing out a BRZ.
What I'm saying is that not buying a car because of £200/year VED is crazy, especially on nearly-new vehicles where depreciation wipes that out several more times. On a car where values have stabilised, it makes more sense to me, but on a 2 y/o car or newer it's crazy talk.
LouD86 said:
LuS1fer said:
What are the relative VED rates and servicing costs for the Toybaru and 370Z though?
GT86;Yearly - £165
Combined MPG - 42mpg
370z;
Yearly - £435
Combined MPG - 26mpg
Toyota: £1,844.41
Nissan: £2,979.44
Over the year the Nissan will cost you an extra £1135.03 in fuel
Krikkit said:
What I'm saying is that not buying a car because of £200/year VED is crazy, especially on nearly-new vehicles where depreciation wipes that out several more times. On a car where values have stabilised, it makes more sense to me, but on a 2 y/o car or newer it's crazy talk.
How do cars become 2 years old though?I've just spent a grand on a Puma, some idiot bought it new, the previous idiot bought it for more than me and spent much more than I have paid keeping it fighting fit over a few years, I've got a good car but couldn't have done that if someone hadn't shelled out.
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