RE: Subaru BRZ vs Toyota GT86

[odyssey2200]

I guess one question worth considering si, Who do you think would look after you best as a customer?
Toyota GB (Part of Toyota Europe) or Subaru UK (Part is IM group in the UK).

I think I would err on the side of Toyota, myself.

[Kozy]

I see we've reverted back to sub 89 IQ levels of discussion on the GT86...

[otolith]

300bhp/ton said:

Reckon you might be surprised. Every road test in the states will likely mention or test 1/4 mile. Check out the BRZ Motor Trend test in YouTube. Also drag racing is just so accessible that all sorts of cars are used the "import" scene is pretty big in America.

1/4 mile is just a standard benchmark, they use it for minivans too, doesn't mean that the car is going to appeal to people interested in drag racing.

[DanDC5]

jamespink said:

Sorry, just dont get it. The real comparison is here: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4112952.htm or here: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/4155322.htm or here: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3532405.htm let alone looking at what kind of Porsche £25k will buy. Who in their right minds would buy a new Toyota or Subaru in preference to these??? End rant...

Second hand cars vs new? Oh good this level of stupidity again.

[s m]

shibby! said:

s m said:

A bit similar to the old 106Gti/Saxo VTS situation.

To be honest i was going to pick up on the old VTS/GTi point.

What i remmeber about them back then, was that the Gti was more desirable and was more expensive on the second hand market probably due to there being less Gti's....... Gti parts were also more expensive, so bought from Citroen!

I remember the GTi was more expensive new as well - Citroen dealers were far happier to discount heavily.

At the time I had one it would have cost over another £1000 to get the Peugeot. It had a nicer interior but it wasn't worth over £1000 to me

[SirSamuelBuca]

Chris71 said:

Small is good surely? In this country the sort of twisty roads that the Toybaru excels at are often too narrow for a lot of bloated modern performance cars.

I know they are basically the same, but somehow the BRZ always seems to look better to me. I saw my first customer GT 86 and it didn't seem to have the same clout. To be fair, it was probably the colour - a shiny but rather inoffensive shade of red as opposed to the deep blue or sparkling silver liveries I've seen before.

ye im not saying small in any way or form i liked it being small. if it was turbod i might think about one then

[Pixelpeep]

DanDC5 said:

Second hand cars vs new? Oh good this level of stupidity again.

Buying a new car thats less capable than a cheaper used one that has already taken the 18 month depreciation hit? oh good this level of stupidity again..

[jon-]

s m said:

jon- said:

Deranged Granny said:

Did you ensure that the tyre pressures were the same? That could account for half the difference between them.

Or the tyres. We know the GT86 comes with the Michelin Energy Savers, what does the BRZ run on?

Didn't some of the GT86s come on 215/45 W17 Michelin Primacy HP rather than Michelin Energy Savers?

I've no idea, but having back-to-backed both recently on the same car, that could be more than enough to make the difference between the two.

Whoever wrote this article, can you help us? Or Max, can you zoom in on the original photos and see the tyres?

[kambites]

Pixelpeep said:

Buying a new car thats less capable than a cheaper used one that has already taken the 18 month depreciation hit? oh good this level of stupidity again..

Are you intentionally being perverse, or did you completely miss the point?

[s m]

jon- said:

s m said:

jon- said:

Deranged Granny said:

Did you ensure that the tyre pressures were the same? That could account for half the difference between them.

Or the tyres. We know the GT86 comes with the Michelin Energy Savers, what does the BRZ run on?

Didn't some of the GT86s come on 215/45 W17 Michelin Primacy HP rather than Michelin Energy Savers?

I've no idea, but having back-to-backed both recently on the same car, that could be more than enough to make the difference between the two.

Whoever wrote this article, can you help us? Or Max, can you zoom in on the original photos and see the tyres?

I can recall the debates that went on for ages about the VTS/106Gti handling differences........where people for a start forgot that they came on different tyres....and in the case of the later cars, different sizes!

[Pixelpeep]

kambites said:

Pixelpeep said:

Buying a new car thats less capable than a cheaper used one that has already taken the 18 month depreciation hit? oh good this level of stupidity again..

Are you intentionally being perverse, or did you completely miss the point?

can i go with the 'both' defence please?

[ewenm]

Pixelpeep said:

Buying a new car thats less capable than a cheaper used one that has already taken the 18 month depreciation hit? oh good this level of stupidity again..

SOMEONE HAS TO BUY NEW CARS FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO BUY SECONDHAND!

Seriously, you should be encouraging people to buy new cars, not discouraging them. It's what keeps the used car market bouyant.

[Pixelpeep]

ewenm said:

Pixelpeep said:

Buying a new car thats less capable than a cheaper used one that has already taken the 18 month depreciation hit? oh good this level of stupidity again..

SOMEONE HAS TO BUY NEW CARS FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO BUY SECONDHAND!

Seriously, you should be encouraging people to buy new cars, not discouraging them. It's what keeps the used car market bouyant.

I have worked in the car trade. That ship has sailed my friend. lol

[ewenm]

So you should know better than the drivel you posted above.

[Pixelpeep]

ewenm said:

So you should know better than the drivel you posted above.

i do know better, hence my post. Sorry you don't share the opinion

[kambites]

You really HAVE missed the point, haven't you?

No-one is claiming that this is good value compared to a second hand car, but no new car looks good value compared to a second hand car at the same price point. Commenting on a thread about a particular new car saying there are better things available on the second hand market is idiotic because the same could be said of any new car - you're not commenting on the car in question at all, just on the relative values of new and second hand cars in general.

No-one is saying you're wrong, just that your comment is completely irrelevant.

[NITO]

Hello...

There's a massive separator between the two, come on... 5 years 100K warranty or 3 years 60k?? That would firmly swing it in favour of the GT86, combined with a vaster dealer network and it will have stronger residuals taking the warranty offering into account.

Well done Toyota then.

Edited by NITO on Tuesday 14th August 21:19

[kambites]

That's a very good point.

[Pixelpeep]

kambites said:

You really HAVE missed the point, haven't you?

No-one is claiming that this is good value compared to a second hand car, but no new car looks good value compared to a second hand car at the same price point. Commenting on a thread about a particular new car saying there are better things available on the second hand market is idiotic because the same could be said of any new car - you're not commenting on the car in question at all, just on the relative values of new and second hand cars in general.

No-one is saying you're wrong, just that your comment is completely irrelevant.

I thought the point of a discussion was to raise different points that link to the original subject?

It wasn't me that actually compared these cars to second hand cars, i reacted to someone saying that comparing new cars to old cars was stupid. i think this is entirely relevant seen as we are giving opinions on THESE cars.

Someone has said, 'i would rather buy a used xxxx than this new xxxxx' - that's their opinion of the new car!

totally relevant!

[kambites]

Pixelpeep said:

totally relevant!

I disagree, and by the sounds of it so does almost everyone else on the thread.

You might as well just write a bot that automatically puts a comment saying "a second hand car will offer better value" into every thread about a new car.