RE: Official: Mercedes A45 AMG
Discussion
Looks much better in a different colour, as per the Autocar images:
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/geneva-motor-sho...
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/geneva-motor-sho...
MonkeyMatt said:
anything fast said:
most powerful production 4 pot lump in the world that will go on for more than 10 miles without needing a service..
Really?
There are plenty of cars which are 10 years out of date and make even more power and dont blow up every 5 minutes.
I ran a cosworth a while back with 400+ BHP and it did not go pop! I also had a another cossie with nearly as much BHP and it never let me down. I also know a chap with a 53 plate Focus RS with 390 BHP and guess what it has not gone pop either.. I know these are modified cars, but my point is that it really is not hard to get 360 BHP from a turbo 4 pot. And yes mpg blah blah blah but it is 2013 now so what exactly is the big deal, its just another way of skinning a cat, they could have popped in a great big V8, or a supercharged V6, but they have gone done a very un-merc like route which is very cool but no big deal in terms of power.
And non of those are production engines! all are modifiedReally?
There are plenty of cars which are 10 years out of date and make even more power and dont blow up every 5 minutes.
I ran a cosworth a while back with 400+ BHP and it did not go pop! I also had a another cossie with nearly as much BHP and it never let me down. I also know a chap with a 53 plate Focus RS with 390 BHP and guess what it has not gone pop either.. I know these are modified cars, but my point is that it really is not hard to get 360 BHP from a turbo 4 pot. And yes mpg blah blah blah but it is 2013 now so what exactly is the big deal, its just another way of skinning a cat, they could have popped in a great big V8, or a supercharged V6, but they have gone done a very un-merc like route which is very cool but no big deal in terms of power.
I does make me sad a liitle that nowdays so many big car manufacturesrs still produce small 4WD's that the WRC cannot get back to the old "Group A" formula. These cars are in effect what were the homologation specials back in the 80's and 90's, but still mass produced. I would love to see the likes of Audi, BMW / MINI , Mercedes, Subaru, Mitsubishi, , Volvo, Citroen, Ford all supplying factory built "specials" running restricted 2-litre turbos with boost and air restrictor limitations. Maybe a £250K price limit for a car ready to roll onto a stage. Theoretically sell them through the dealership networks, let a few nutters have one as an extreme road car too.
Would be a sight more interesting than the limited show of past years, remember how good the BTCC was in '93 when just about any manufacturer could afford a decent stab at it before the regs got out of control again? Get rallying back to how it was,
Would be a sight more interesting than the limited show of past years, remember how good the BTCC was in '93 when just about any manufacturer could afford a decent stab at it before the regs got out of control again? Get rallying back to how it was,
Hoofy said:
45? 4.5 litre V8 surely? Cf C63, CLK55, M63, S320, E230... In any case, what does 45 mean? I skimmed the article but didn't notice it.
Gone are the days where you could look at the badge of a BMW or Merc and deduce the size of the engine.From Mercedes' current catalogue I could pick a dozen examples, e.g.
C63 = 6.2 litres
E63 = 5.5 litres
C200 = 1.6 litres
C200 CDI = 2.1 litres
C220 CDI = 2.1 litres
C250 CDI = 2.1 litres
E250 = 2.0 litres
S350 BlueTec = 3.0 litres
Numbering schemes that used to mean 'swept capacity' are now nothing more than target market segment indicators, representative of the powers outputs one would expect of an n/a engine of that size.
Mercedes simply wish us to view the A45 AMG as having that kind of power reserve, and they may even be right.
loudlashadjuster said:
Hoofy said:
45? 4.5 litre V8 surely? Cf C63, CLK55, M63, S320, E230... In any case, what does 45 mean? I skimmed the article but didn't notice it.
Gone are the days where you could look at the badge of a BMW or Merc and deduce the size of the engine.From Mercedes' current catalogue I could pick a dozen examples, e.g.
C63 = 6.2 litres
E63 = 5.5 litres
C200 = 1.6 litres
C200 CDI = 2.1 litres
C220 CDI = 2.1 litres
C250 CDI = 2.1 litres
E250 = 2.0 litres
S350 BlueTec = 3.0 litres
Numbering schemes that used to mean 'swept capacity' are now nothing more than target market segment indicators, representative of the powers outputs one would expect of an n/a engine of that size.
Mercedes simply wish us to view the A45 AMG as having that kind of power reserve, and they may even be right.
J-P said:
loudlashadjuster said:
Hoofy said:
45? 4.5 litre V8 surely? Cf C63, CLK55, M63, S320, E230... In any case, what does 45 mean? I skimmed the article but didn't notice it.
Gone are the days where you could look at the badge of a BMW or Merc and deduce the size of the engine.From Mercedes' current catalogue I could pick a dozen examples, e.g.
C63 = 6.2 litres
E63 = 5.5 litres
C200 = 1.6 litres
C200 CDI = 2.1 litres
C220 CDI = 2.1 litres
C250 CDI = 2.1 litres
E250 = 2.0 litres
S350 BlueTec = 3.0 litres
Numbering schemes that used to mean 'swept capacity' are now nothing more than target market segment indicators, representative of the powers outputs one would expect of an n/a engine of that size.
Mercedes simply wish us to view the A45 AMG as having that kind of power reserve, and they may even be right.
MonkeyMatt said:
anything fast said:
most powerful production 4 pot lump in the world that will go on for more than 10 miles without needing a service..
Really?
There are plenty of cars which are 10 years out of date and make even more power and dont blow up every 5 minutes.
I ran a cosworth a while back with 400+ BHP and it did not go pop! I also had a another cossie with nearly as much BHP and it never let me down. I also know a chap with a 53 plate Focus RS with 390 BHP and guess what it has not gone pop either.. I know these are modified cars, but my point is that it really is not hard to get 360 BHP from a turbo 4 pot. And yes mpg blah blah blah but it is 2013 now so what exactly is the big deal, its just another way of skinning a cat, they could have popped in a great big V8, or a supercharged V6, but they have gone done a very un-merc like route which is very cool but no big deal in terms of power.
And non of those are production engines! all are modifiedReally?
There are plenty of cars which are 10 years out of date and make even more power and dont blow up every 5 minutes.
I ran a cosworth a while back with 400+ BHP and it did not go pop! I also had a another cossie with nearly as much BHP and it never let me down. I also know a chap with a 53 plate Focus RS with 390 BHP and guess what it has not gone pop either.. I know these are modified cars, but my point is that it really is not hard to get 360 BHP from a turbo 4 pot. And yes mpg blah blah blah but it is 2013 now so what exactly is the big deal, its just another way of skinning a cat, they could have popped in a great big V8, or a supercharged V6, but they have gone done a very un-merc like route which is very cool but no big deal in terms of power.
loudlashadjuster said:
Gone are the days where you could look at the badge of a BMW or Merc and deduce the size of the engine.
From Mercedes' current catalogue I could pick a dozen examples, e.g.
C63 = 6.2 litres
E63 = 5.5 litres
C200 = 1.6 litres
C200 CDI = 2.1 litres
C220 CDI = 2.1 litres
C250 CDI = 2.1 litres
E250 = 2.0 litres
S350 BlueTec = 3.0 litres
Numbering schemes that used to mean 'swept capacity' are now nothing more than target market segment indicators, representative of the powers outputs one would expect of an n/a engine of that size.
Mercedes simply wish us to view the A45 AMG as having that kind of power reserve, and they may even be right.
Rounding up, I don't mind. But some of those are idiotic!From Mercedes' current catalogue I could pick a dozen examples, e.g.
C63 = 6.2 litres
E63 = 5.5 litres
C200 = 1.6 litres
C200 CDI = 2.1 litres
C220 CDI = 2.1 litres
C250 CDI = 2.1 litres
E250 = 2.0 litres
S350 BlueTec = 3.0 litres
Numbering schemes that used to mean 'swept capacity' are now nothing more than target market segment indicators, representative of the powers outputs one would expect of an n/a engine of that size.
Mercedes simply wish us to view the A45 AMG as having that kind of power reserve, and they may even be right.
Looks too "in yer face" for me, but impressive numbers. I'd probably drive it before slagging it off as not a patch on this, inferior to that, etc, but I know that makes me unusual on PH.
Article could do with a bit of proofreading mind:
"That is still available as a manual and rear-wheel drive of course, if not as fast on-paper as the AMG - despite an identical torque fibure, the BMW's 40hp down. It looks like it'll have a headline-grabbing price advantage, though, will probably more than offset this in many eyes, so the A45 is going to have to do something pretty special to beat it."
Um.... I know what you were *trying* to say, but.....
Article could do with a bit of proofreading mind:
"That is still available as a manual and rear-wheel drive of course, if not as fast on-paper as the AMG - despite an identical torque fibure, the BMW's 40hp down. It looks like it'll have a headline-grabbing price advantage, though, will probably more than offset this in many eyes, so the A45 is going to have to do something pretty special to beat it."
Um.... I know what you were *trying* to say, but.....
Seriously, who buys these cars?
Apart from pub bragging, I can't imagine there to be any life or soul to the driving experience in a car like this. It also looks ste
At least with an M135i you can have a bit of tail out action and preferably specify it with a manual box.
Another case of lost identity for a big manufacturer in search of more sales.
Apart from pub bragging, I can't imagine there to be any life or soul to the driving experience in a car like this. It also looks ste
At least with an M135i you can have a bit of tail out action and preferably specify it with a manual box.
Another case of lost identity for a big manufacturer in search of more sales.
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